2011-07-19, 09:43 | Link #121 |
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That's not completely true. I am a consumer of Naruto (I've bought all the manga), so I do feel my criticism and complaints are more than justified, and due to the 100s of dollars I've spent I do feel Kishimoto owes me something (I would preffer a more dynamic story, but I'd settle for a Naruto x Hanabi ending ).
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2011-07-19, 10:02 | Link #122 |
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Most mangeka's should just write a basic outline of where they would like the story to end, like JK rowling did for the potter series. So when an author dies atleast his work can be finished, when an author is being an ass (like Togashi Yoshihiro) they can just sack him and let someone else continue drawing and the like. And it would provide for a more coherent story wich helps the author to focus more on character development and stuff.
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And Bill Peltzer? He's the standard for what a heroic character is supposed be? Such a shame that Kishimoto is not able to live up the epic heroism found in Gremlins Note: I'm not saying any of these are bad characters. Just that there's no set standard on what makes a protagonist likable or believable, it's completely subjective. The only thing that separates Naruto from these characters is that he is part of prophecy. If you don't like that, fine but are you really saying that's the premise on how a character's quality should be judged? Quote:
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2011-07-19, 12:30 | Link #125 | |
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naruto is different because while he does work hard and trains hard too. He was very lucky to have genes from two super great ninjas. One who was said to be a god who pretty much beat madara with minimal effort(even though minato said madara seen though everything) and his mom who is known to have 50 great seals and a super long life....which will no doubt help naruto as they said hes shorting his lifespan over and over again.....but then his mom has super long life. i like the manga, dont get me wrong. One thing i dont like are things being established, then tossed out the window when the writer changes his mind on the fly because it makes things more interesting. If kimish kept it so that naruto was just a kid and happened to be the 9 tails host and his mom and dad happened to be normal everyday ninja that happened to be best friends with the 4th.....it would have been pretty badass because then we can all go...see that, you can change fate, he was labeled a loser since the get go and worked hard to be boss of the 9 tails power. Now when its brought up it turns out....he controls the 9 tails? well no duh he was raised for it. takes away some of the badassness i believe.
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But in any case, a key aspect of any protagonist that makes them likeable or believable is vulnerability. The entertainment value of a story comes from the tension created by the character being challenged by an intimidating and powerful opposing force. But that's not to say that a character can't have some privileges. After all, they have to have something that makes them interesting or give them an advantage. However, you can't go to the opposite extreme. An extremely privileged and invulnerable character is a very boring thing, so there needs to be a good balance. Naruto, over the last 2-3 years, has become an extremely over-privileged character. He's turned out to be the son of the 4th Hokage (which makes it all the more natural and likely that he will be Hokage), a descendant of the Uzumakis who are pros at controlling the tailed beasts, and, apparently, ever since his birth, everyone's designated him as the savior of the ninja world (No one ever designated Superman or Batman as a hero). But the worst part of all this is that it completely contradicts the underdog theme that Kishi had going in part 1. That, despite what Naruto said in his fight against Neji, the only reason Naruto has succeeded is apparently because of his genetic heritage. |
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2011-07-19, 22:29 | Link #128 | |
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And Naruto inherited a lot more from his father as we are finding out. Certainly more than looks. Hell, he doesn't even look like his father that much. His father was a pretty boy. Naruto is average looking. You have to be kidding if you don't think Naruto hit the genetic jackpot. He was bred to be great and destined to be the chosen one. The peasant who beat Kiba with a fart was a different character. That guy prattled on about overcoming the odds. This guy preaches to us how he is Jesus and will save the world by himself with his ridiculous super powers. |
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2011-07-19, 22:59 | Link #129 | |
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I don't ever recall them calling his mother a genius of any sort. She had a major inferiority complex and was always out to prove herself, much like Naruto was. She also made Minato her rival because he himself was a genius, and just like Naruto falling for Sasuke, she eventually fell for Minato. lol *cough* Unless of course you want to point out specific pages where they call Kushina this uber goddess genius that spam out godly seals. And no one ever really commented on Minato's appearance, only that he was a genius and that was it. Jiraiya and Tsunade themselves said that Naruto took after Kushina's personality and abilities while he had his father's looks.
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2011-07-19, 23:04 | Link #130 |
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There is poor information about Kushina's skills. We have better information about Minato's. Don't forget how Kishi deals with kunoichis, so i think that for Kishi's standards, Kushina was above the average
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2011-07-20, 00:34 | Link #131 | |
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(Strangely enough (or not strangely at all), Madara also has "special" chakra...) Truthfully, I do not care that Naruto has a genetic legacy of greatness; there are plenty of Shounen characters with such a legacy. And, I do not care that Naruto has prophecies foretelling his potential. Rather, what makes Naruto's accomplishments so sad is the fact that the 2 times he really needed to accomplish a goal by himself, his parents stepped in to solve the problem for him. I speak of course of Minato appearing to stop the release of the Kyuubi, and later Kushina appearing to help Naruto defeat the Kyuubi. Both instances would have been massive character development, as Naruto would have to struggle to find the inner strength and will to defeat the Kyuubi, but both moments were wasted, and his parents take nearly all the credit. It's a shame. Last edited by james0246; 2011-07-20 at 01:47. |
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2011-07-20, 01:00 | Link #132 |
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The Uzimaki clan is said to be descendent of the sage of the sixth paths, not in the least bit special no.....
Though Kushina's skills are up for debate, Minato did learn seals from her thus we can assume she's pretty good at them. |
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Chapter 548 discussion thread has been opened. Please move all relevant discussions to the new thread.
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1. Uzumakis were highly specialized and Kushina taught Minato, who was already an elite Ninja. Remember Orochi's surprise when he saw Kakashi performing a sealing jutsu on Sasuke's cursed seal. Naruto's seal was praised as a high-level sealing jutsu. 2. Kushina was able to survive Ninetails extraction. Gaara and every host died in the process. That's an indicator about how high was her stamina (which is related to Sage's young son). 3. Let's face it... in a ninja village the elite ninjas don't marry the next door girl. Just like royalty they choose carefully. Remember Hashirama and Mito's marriage. 4. Tailed Beast were the ultimate weapon, Kushina replaced Mito as the new ninetail host. Remember how much trouble was for every village to find those hosts and how many candidates died in the process. Sinceraly, it's more easy to find facts to defend Kushina's status than the main heroine of the manga
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2011-07-20, 04:05 | Link #135 |
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Still based on assumption, just because she survived an extraction does not mean she is also a strong and capable fighter just as knowing seals which was a village tradition does not make her strong.
She was 100% Uzumaki, a clan known for their strong bloodline which was the reason she became the new host. Those with this bloodline have a unique and potent chakra which could have extended her life beyond most. So what we know and seen of her can all be explained by her origins (the uzumaki clan and their bloodline). And her marriage is explained by them falling in love, though yes it was a potent mix, but it was never said to be manditory. |
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And about the "Kishimoto owes me something" part, no, he doesn't owe you anything. The reason why you buy a manga is because you enjoy reading it. If you're not enjoying the story anymore, then don't buy it anymore. There's nothing else to it, really. |
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And of course the fact that Naruto "is wasting one of SJ's slots" is just your opinion, a lot of people obviously disagree with you. |
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