(L) Princess Principal

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by VDZ

Why do people get so bothered when an episode doesn't contribute to a larger plot? I could understand if the overall plot received significant focus, but so far each episode has just been a self-contained story set to the background of a larger story. The episodes by themselves are good enough; I'd also be satisfied if we don't get some overall plot climax near the end of the series as long as the episodes themselves are good.

It doesn't have to contribute to the main plot, but it has to contribute to some narrative purpose.

For example, in the previous episode we learned about Dorothy's real name, her father, and more about her background/upbringing. We didn't learn anything more about the Duke of Normandy or get the Princess closer to the throne, but we got something important out of it still.

What was the purpose of this laundry episode? Did we learn anything more about Ange? Chise? Dorothy? The Princess? Beatrice?

[Ravagerblade]

Chise is a hardworker.
Ange being awesome, like always.
Beato lol being the adorable little shit she is.
Dorothy might have a connection to Marilla.
Charlotte taking a risk to by the mill.

[BBOvenGuy]

Speaking as a professional Quality Assurance Manager, I'm just amused whenever my day-job life shows up in the anime world.

But then, the Japanese came up with a lot of the world's quality practices today (anyone else familiar with Genichi Taguchi?), so maybe I shouldn't be surprised.

[VDZ]

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

It doesn't have to contribute to the main plot, but it has to contribute to some narrative purpose.

But why? What's wrong with an episode being amusing just by itself?

[Ravagerblade]

Originally Posted by VDZ

But why? What's wrong with an episode being amusing just by itself?

Think they worried about the series being 1 cour?
Certainly things would be less flexible.

So far, I've just been happy Princess Principle exists as it's been hilarious so far.
They'll grow the beard imo. the show will probably get darker and faster paced down the road. Let's just enjoy the ride for the moment.

[Random Wanderer]

So... the Princess now owns her own business, which is making a profit that she can call upon without needing either Crown funds or Commonwealth support and whose employees will be fanatically devoted to her should she ever need to call upon them.

I'm sorry, I don't quite follow the complaints of this being irrelevent to the larger plot, given how much she just advanced her cause without anyone noticing.

[Ravagerblade]

^ Somebody Noticed!

Though it's still probably in Controls hands more than anything considering Princess didn't have the funds herself as she explained.
Although it did feel like she sold it off but I don't think she did. Marilla is the Foreman know lolz.

[Kazu-kun]

Princess didn't say she doesn't have funds. She just doesn't have a lot to waste. That's why she said there was no problem because she was planing in turning the laundry into a profitable business.

It's still her money though. It was confirmed by the staff on twitter.

Spoiler for interview:

・ベアトリスはどのくらい機械いじりが得意なの？
→スチームパンク的な機械の扱いはかなり上手です。ただ、得手不得手はあります。
・プリンセスは特に顔を変えずに潜入していたけど、認知度ってどんなものなの？
→教養がある人はほとんどが知っています。洗濯工場の人たちは十分な教育を受けておらず、識字率も低く新聞 を読むことがないので、プリンセスの顔を知りません。
・メリージェンはよくパンを食べていたけど、何パンが好きなの？
→彼女が食べていたのは固いパンです。おいしいパンを食べたことがないのでわかりません。
・毒ガスジャックって何かモデルがいるの？
→名前の由来は切り裂きジャックです。
・単独犯と考えられると言われていたけど、本当にそうなの？
→ノル公の何らかの思惑はあったかもしれませんが、基本的に単独犯です。
・毒ガスで殺された遺体写真を見てベアトが怯えていたけれど、どんな風に死ぬの？
→それはもう酷い死に方です。
・結局、毒ガスの貯蔵庫はロンドンの壁の中にあったの？
→壁の中の特別な倉庫の中にあります。
・プリンセスが自由に使える財産はどれくらいあるの？
→プリンセスは継承権4位で、儀礼称号しかなく、権限も財産も大したものではありません。
　ただ、孫娘を気にかける女王が王室領土の一部を譲っており、その領土から得られる収入の一部を自由に使用 できます。
　また彼女自身も賢いので、金を遊ばせず堅実な会社に投資して多少の収入を得ています。
　しかしドレス代や客の歓待のための費用等は自腹なので、残った額は年数千万円程度となります。王族として はカツカツです。
・この時代の男性は洗濯しないの？
→戦場ならばすることもありますが、女性の仕事という認識が強かったと思います。
　水道普及前は水の確保が大変で洗濯は大変重労働でしたが、だんだんと大量生産の洗濯石鹸などが一般でもが 使えるようになってきて洗濯自体は多少楽になりました。
　郊外や村などではウォッシュハウスと呼ばれる川沿いにある洗濯場にご婦人たちが集まって洗濯 します。
　都市部の富裕層は洗濯を行なうお手伝いさんを雇うケースが多かったようです。
　そうした時代に工場で洗濯を行い現金収入を得られるようになったのは、女性の経済的自立という面において 大きな変化だったと思います。

· How good is Beatrice at tinkering with machines?
→ She can handle steam punk machines pretty well. However, she still has weak points.

· Princess had infiltrated without changing her face, but how was she not recognized?
→ Most people know cultural knowledge. People in the laundry factory do not receive sufficient education, they do not read the newspaper because the literacy rate is low, so they wouldn't be accquainted with the face of the Princess.

· Meri Jen was often eating bread, but what kind of bread does she like?
→ She was eating hard bread. She never ate delicious bread so she wouldn't know.

· Does Poison Gas Jack have a model?
→ The origin of the name is Jack the Ripper.

· It was said he probably has no affiliation, is that true?
→ There may have been some speculation but he works alone.

· Beato was frightened seeing the body that was killed with poison gas, but how did he die?
→ It is a cruel way to die

· In the end, was the poison gas reservoir in the wall of London?
→ It is in a special warehouse in the wall.

· How much does the Princess have at her disposal
→ Princess has fourth succession right. It's mostly a ceremonial title, authority and wealth do not play a big role. That been said, the queen cares a lot about her granddaughter and is giving away a part of the Royal territory and the income that comes with it for Princess to use. Princess is wise to invest in a company to earn some income. Her investment will earn her around 10 million yen a year.

[Ravagerblade]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

Princess didn't say she doesn't have funds. She just doesn't have a lot to waste. That's why she said there was no problem because she was planing in turning the laundry into a profitable business.

It's still her money though.

well w/e. Not much is an arbitrary figure of speech.
The Control was on both sides. Fat guy called it interesting.

[Kazu-kun]

Anyway, the staff commentary gives some more details into Princess' financial situation. I posted it in my previous post.

[Ravagerblade]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

Anyway, the staff commentary gives some more details into Princess' financial situation. I posted it in my previous post.

4th in line means she gets the scraps?
lol Pauper Princess. Not really but yeah. Hmm 10 million yen? That's what in USD.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

So we have a Japanese anime set in Victorian England, based on a setting from a book written by a Frenchman about a fictitious United States?

Very convoluted.

[drawr]

Wonder why they bothered making the girls spies when they barely try to keep a low profile.

[Ravagerblade]

Originally Posted by drawr

Wonder why they bothered making the girls spies when they barely try to keep a low profile.

Like I said before, it's a case by case scenario. Generally they actually have been keeping a low profile. Chise made a mistake by lagging a bit to much fighting Gas Jack but Marilla doesn't seem like one to squeal. We don't know her loyalties. For all we know Gas Jack could have just intruded upon seeing a Japanese girl so chalk it up to be a fanatical racist.

Episode 1 they kept themselves pretty well hidden, so much that the Duke of Normandy used Eric to fake defect to get them out of hiding. Chise and Dorothy might have gotten their faces exposed to the guy and girl in the room but odds are those people got silenced.

Nothing happened in Episode 2.

Episode 3 All witnesses are dead. Dorothy is unanimous as she came with Princess so she's chalked up to being a friend.

Episode 4 Again those parties are under Commonwealth control probably therefore not able to talk.

Episode 5 doesn't matter.

Episode 6 Nothing really happened either. But the Lady who killed Danny got a hint about his Daughter but no face.

Loan Shark doesn't matter either.

[Applehell]

Originally Posted by alex_drian

I don't think that with the remaining episodes they can resolve the deal with the Duke, and a lot less the war, opossite case this would drop to Izetta levels of shit.

Better Izetta than Kabaneri. For all the faults of the former at least it's plot keep it's focus and had a more convincing advancement towards it's goals of it's large-scale story better than Princess Principal so far.

If this simply billed itself as vignettes about spy activity like Joker Game which didn't bother with any pretense of a plot I wouldn't mind. But it didn't and rather than the Princess and Ange doing any actually subversive actions towards their goals, they have mostly just been playing hatchetwomen straightforwardly while having a ball of time. Well until an convenient plot point allows them to achieve the Princess' ambitions instead of her intentional setting it up herself and having the viewers see it. I hope this changes in the next episode personally and things start moving again.

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

So... the Princess now owns her own business, which is making a profit that she can call upon without needing either Crown funds or Commonwealth support and whose employees will be fanatically devoted to her should she ever need to call upon them.

I'm sorry, I don't quite follow the complaints of this being irrelevent to the larger plot, given how much she just advanced her cause without anyone noticing.

All well and good, but again it but would just another convenient plot device that Princess never actually planned for... which is very much like this writer to do sadly. It's not really interesting way to go about things and makes harder to take her lofty motivation seriously. It's just another example of show of wanting to have it's cake and eat it too. Not to get me wrong I like this show's style and the characters are intriguing enough, but that execution doesn't feel all there. I also don't have much goodwill towards Okouchi anymore so I won't be surprised if this ends a hackneyed fashion as most of the shows he's written for nowadays.

[Flower]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

Princess didn't say she doesn't have funds. She just doesn't have a lot to waste. That's why she said there was no problem because she was planing in turning the laundry into a profitable business.

It's still her money though. It was confirmed by the staff on twitter.

Spoiler for interview:

・ベアトリスはどのくらい機械いじりが得意なの？
→スチームパンク的な機械の扱いはかなり上手です。ただ、得手不得手はあります。
・プリンセスは特に顔を変えずに潜入していたけど、認知度ってどんなものなの？
→教養がある人はほとんどが知っています。洗濯工場の人たちは十分な教育を受けておらず、識字率も低く新聞 を読むことがないので、プリンセスの顔を知りません。
・メリージェンはよくパンを食べていたけど、何パンが好きなの？
→彼女が食べていたのは固いパンです。おいしいパンを食べたことがないのでわかりません。
・毒ガスジャックって何かモデルがいるの？
→名前の由来は切り裂きジャックです。
・単独犯と考えられると言われていたけど、本当にそうなの？
→ノル公の何らかの思惑はあったかもしれませんが、基本的に単独犯です。
・毒ガスで殺された遺体写真を見てベアトが怯えていたけれど、どんな風に死ぬの？
→それはもう酷い死に方です。
・結局、毒ガスの貯蔵庫はロンドンの壁の中にあったの？
→壁の中の特別な倉庫の中にあります。
・プリンセスが自由に使える財産はどれくらいあるの？
→プリンセスは継承権4位で、儀礼称号しかなく、権限も財産も大したものではありません。
　ただ、孫娘を気にかける女王が王室領土の一部を譲っており、その領土から得られる収入の一部を自由に使用 できます。
　また彼女自身も賢いので、金を遊ばせず堅実な会社に投資して多少の収入を得ています。
　しかしドレス代や客の歓待のための費用等は自腹なので、残った額は年数千万円程度となります。王族として はカツカツです。
・この時代の男性は洗濯しないの？
→戦場ならばすることもありますが、女性の仕事という認識が強かったと思います。
　水道普及前は水の確保が大変で洗濯は大変重労働でしたが、だんだんと大量生産の洗濯石鹸などが一般でもが 使えるようになってきて洗濯自体は多少楽になりました。
　郊外や村などではウォッシュハウスと呼ばれる川沿いにある洗濯場にご婦人たちが集まって洗濯 します。
　都市部の富裕層は洗濯を行なうお手伝いさんを雇うケースが多かったようです。
　そうした時代に工場で洗濯を行い現金収入を得られるようになったのは、女性の経済的自立という面において 大きな変化だったと思います。

· How good is Beatrice at tinkering with machines?
→ She can handle steam punk machines pretty well. However, she still has weak points.

· Princess had infiltrated without changing her face, but how was she not recognized?
→ Most people know cultural knowledge. People in the laundry factory do not receive sufficient education, they do not read the newspaper because the literacy rate is low, so they wouldn't be accquainted with the face of the Princess.

· Meri Jen was often eating bread, but what kind of bread do you like
→ She was eating hard bread. I never ate delicious bread so I don't know.

· Does Poison Gas Jack have a model?
→ The origin of the name is Jack the Ripper.

· It was said he probably has no affiliation, is that true?
→ There may have been some speculation but he works alone.

· Beato was frightened seeing the body that was killed with poison gas, but how do you die?
→ It is a cruel way to die

· In the end, was the poison gas reservoir in the wall of London?
→ It is in a special warehouse in the wall.

· How much does the Princess have at her disposal
→ Princess has fourth succession right. It's mostly a ceremonial title, authority and wealth do not play a big role. That been said, the queen cares a lot about her granddaughter and is giving away a part of the Royal territory and that income that comes with it for Princess to use. Princess is wise to invest in a company to earn some income. Her investment will earn her around 10 million yen a year.

Oh ho? Interesting tidbits of info there. Tyvm ^^

The scene in particular with Beatrice tuning up the old machinery surprised me at first, but then I remembered her horrible father being ... err ... quite the machinist. Maybe she picked up some knowledge or it runs in her veins or something similar?

[Ringil]

Originally Posted by Flower

Oh ho? Interesting tidbits of info there. Tyvm ^^

The scene in particular with Beatrice tuning up the old machinery surprised me at first, but then I remembered her horrible father being ... err ... quite the machinist. Maybe she picked up some knowledge or it runs in her veins or something similar?

I wouldn't be surprised if her veins were literally machines.

[alex_drian]

Originally Posted by Flower

Oh ho? Interesting tidbits of info there. Tyvm ^^

The scene in particular with Beatrice tuning up the old machinery surprised me at first, but then I remembered her horrible father being ... err ... quite the machinist. Maybe she picked up some knowledge or it runs in her veins or something similar?

Runs in her veins, literally...

[Random Wanderer]

She's had to learn enough to keep her own cybernetics in working order, after all...

[Ravagerblade]

Yes the adorable little shit is a mech geek probably.
It's to be expected tbh.

I was actually thinking how all the girls would be like when they got older and Beatrice would be the fiery red head who has a mechanical arm whose trigger happy too lolz. I could add more but lolz it's more of a headcanon/fiction.