2010-04-14, 21:46 | Link #8102 | |
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Actually, Dlanor never mentions Kinzo. It's Erika who assumes Kinzo bought them. And as we know, she doesn't have a good record of being right on things.
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2010-04-14, 21:49 | Link #8103 | |
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But is certainly seems possible. I mean most people get staked by the same stake, if they get staked. Nanjo, Kumasawa, Kanon.
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2010-04-14, 21:53 | Link #8104 |
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As for Ep 3 T 2, I've suggested this before but:
1) Rosa's death was probably an accident / manslaughter. Trying to deliberately kill Rosa by spiking her like that is extremely chancy. 2) It probably wasn't the same person / group who was behind the first twilight. Those six were all neat and deliberate and required weapons; these two could have been done unarmed; there weren't even stakes used. 3) Rosa probably died first. She had a gun and had to be taken unawares. To me, these points suggest that a person went to talk to Rosa. At some point, tempers flared and the other person gave Rosa a good shove, accidentally knocking her onto the spikes. Maria saw this and Rosa's killer had to kill again to keep her mouth shut. And why not Eva? Sometimes, the killer is the obvious one. (But I don't think she was behind any of the later murders, except maybe Battler.)
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2010-04-14, 21:58 | Link #8105 |
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How about we turn it around then? What would make Rudolf suddenly attack Hideyoshi? I think they were in a duel which means they were in some kind of argument or they were already fighting. Whether Rudolf or Eva Killed Rosa was the reason or something else was the reason one of them was angry at the other and they decided on a duel. Coincidentally both of them died from gun shot wounds and were staked afterward. I mean being shot in the head is really the most likely cause of death for Rudolf. I think you could survive a shot to the chest for a little while, but not long.
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2010-04-14, 21:58 | Link #8106 | |
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Heck, maybe it is Nanjo after all. But I still wonder how he could move like a ninja despite his age. |
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2010-04-14, 22:29 | Link #8109 | |
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Ok, how about this.
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2010-04-14, 23:10 | Link #8111 | ||||
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As for Rudolf being shot to begin with, something's been bothering me for a while: Those are high-power rifles, correct? Wouldn't a bullet fired from a gun like that go THROUGH someone's head? Thus creating a lot more blood than we normally see for the fourth twilight? Why not? They aren't exactly the happiest couple in Umineko. |
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2010-04-14, 23:28 | Link #8112 | |
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Dramatic license. Some things just can't be displayed, or it's not worth it to show them. Or it would cheapen the mystery (though Erika might insist on such pathetic details). Alternately... The killer is in fact taking precautions somehow. Change of clothes, some kind of covering they discard, or the use of "clean" killing methods such as poison and mutilation after the fact with something less likely to cause the killer to get marked up. If it were me I'd just go with the first one. Some things just aren't worth going into intimate detail about, even if they matter. The rain is only important for mood most times, so I won't get too torn up over people not noticing somebody is soaked. |
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2010-04-14, 23:29 | Link #8113 | ||
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I also don't see a motive for him to kill his wife. They argue sometimes, but i don't see Rudolf stabbing her.
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2010-04-14, 23:36 | Link #8114 | |
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Note that this means she can arrange for gunshot wounds to "coincidentally" correspond to epitaph locations without the culprit having explicitly planned for that to happen. |
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2010-04-15, 00:11 | Link #8115 |
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As for the blood and the bullet holes, I think it's fair to say that no one on the island really gets into playing detective in the crimes scenes. It's not a sure thing that any bullet holes would be immediately noticeable, and there's no real reason to mention the amount of blood every time someone dies (in fact, we don't even see the "crime discovery" scenes in EP3, just the aftermath and Virgilia's vague report).
However, blood getting on the murderer's clothes is an important point. If someone was planning the murders in advance, they would obviously have set a change somewhere, but getting to it might be hard. If Shkanontrice is true, then we never have to worry about this in EP1, 2, and 4, oddly enough. Even if you look through every single murder from the perspective that Sayo did it, there's always a way she can change from Kanon to Shannon or vice versa to clean her clothes. The only exception is the first twilight of EP2, but she should have had plenty of time to get a new pair from her room or whatever before the morning.
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2010-04-15, 00:27 | Link #8116 |
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Well, we have no idea how many sets of clothes anyone has, but my guess is it really doesn't matter that much. I'm willing to accept "they used a gun and coincidentally didn't get splattered" or "they poisoned them and were careful." We can hardly even be sure any of the killings themselves were bloody.
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What if Rudolf found out what kind of person his wife really is, though? Does he know that Kyrie is, well, kind of evil? Quote:
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What about a raincoat? They're never explicitly mentioned, but I find it hard to believe someone considering murder wouldn't have thought of one. |
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2010-04-15, 01:06 | Link #8118 | ||
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Also Why doesn't that allow for Hideyoshi to kill her if his wife is evil? Hideyoshi: "Ha ha ha! I just stabbed your wife" Rudolf: "You have sullied my honor! we must duel to the death!" Really? I like it a lot. And I think him being a Christie fan supports it.
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2010-04-15, 01:07 | Link #8119 | |
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But with guns another issue comes up which seems to be never mentioned or described in the text. Almost all of the shots that had to have happened in Umineko would be point blank in terms of forensics, and those normally involve extensive powder burns on clothes and skin, and if you shoot someone by directly putting your weapon to their skin, a very visible 'stamp' will remain. I'm afraid artistic license is the only reasonable way out here. |
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2010-04-15, 01:23 | Link #8120 | |
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Plus, we can't really be sure about the range the shots were fired at. If someone is a good enough shot, it shouldn't be impossible to hit someone in the chest from across the room, even with a sawed off.
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