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View Poll Results: Critique of Episode 48 | |||
10 out of 10: Near Perfect... | 13 | 22.03% | |
9 out of 10: Excellent... | 13 | 22.03% | |
8 out of 10: Very Good... | 8 | 13.56% | |
7 out of 10: Good... | 9 | 15.25% | |
6 out of 10: Average... | 4 | 6.78% | |
5 out of 10: Below Average... | 5 | 8.47% | |
4 out of 10: Poor... | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10: Bad... | 1 | 1.69% | |
2 out of 10: Very Bad... | 3 | 5.08% | |
1 out of 10: Torturous... | 3 | 5.08% | |
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2012-09-19, 10:51 | Link #102 |
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I really hate that whole enemy says something so you go into shock and get taken out bulls**t. They did it to Rey and now Zeheart. If Ezelcant could handle Asemu just fine without having to unlock Legilis and while focusing mostly on Kio, there's no reason Zeheart should lose this badly, if at all, even when he lost his head.
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2012-09-19, 11:07 | Link #103 |
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hmmm Zeheart is pretty mucn messed up in the head anyway before heading out to fight the gundams. And IMHO I think the way legilis was destroyed was better than legend and destiny in GSD. Especially legend when it really just stood there to receive the rainbow beams. You just gotta give credit to Asemu on how destroyed legilis. If you watch it again you'll see how he skillfully disabled all of the legilis weapons starting from the bits which arguably is it's deadliest weapon. Even the chest cannon was disabled by the beam saber(maybe?). Of course it's somewhat dissappponting but I think it's better than what happened on GSD. It's rushed but it's still awesome.
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2012-09-19, 11:37 | Link #104 |
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The bit argument is moot because they've shown time and again that Legilis needs to stop first and 'summon' the bits, even the ghiraga before it had that weakness. then add to that how Asemu figured first how to solve the problem about SID's cloaking, he figured it out, before Zeheart can, and Zeheart had the advantage of being an X rounder in a suit that amplifies his abilities, and still he can't figure out a counter to SID's cloaking. Again, add to this that in the manga version of Memories of SID, Asemu has beaten SID, and is only was defeated because of SID's regeneration abilities, also add to that, the mere fact that he was at the forefront of the reason why Zeheart's plan failed, namely boosting the gundams, and evacuating the Diva; I'd say Zeheart just wanted his friend to slap him in the face, one last time before descending to the abyss.
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2012-09-19, 11:55 | Link #105 |
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I'd just like to point out that Asemu's stomping of Zeheart was like something in Destiny, but it most certainly wasn't the Rey vs Kira fight. It was the Athrun vs Shin fight. Both were one sided stompings because one of the combatants was literally going insane.
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2012-09-19, 12:00 | Link #106 |
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It's theorized that the X-Rounder's precognitive capabilities are reliant on detecting the thoughts of other people to figure out where they'll be when they attack. SID, which is an A.I.-controlled mobile armor, has no brain and therefore no thoughts for an X-Rounder to pick up on, so it makes sense that Zeheart wouldn't be able to figure out where SID was when cloaked.
To Zeheart's credit, during his final fight with Asem, while he was affected by his friend's words he did not stop fighting; even when the Gundam Legilis took an anchor hook to the face it was still firing off its vulcans. Better than Rey and how he "stood to receive the rainbow beams," as gundamdrawer so colorfully put it.
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2012-09-19, 12:07 | Link #107 | |
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2012-09-19, 12:09 | Link #108 |
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Well, I can't speak for certain on the Rey/Kira final battle, having yet to see it, but I still get the feeling that Asem and Zeheart's final battle was more dynamic than it. I do know that Kira's final shot was yet another stock image of the full burst attack, which isn't really a point in its favor.
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2012-09-19, 12:27 | Link #110 |
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Actually X-rounder abilities seems to be based on actual "future reading". Take for example Fram's vision of Zeheart's death or how Flit and Zeheart had "bad feelings" in their respective cases when enemy was about to fire beam cannon of doom.
As for Asemu, figuring out how to solve the problem of Sid cloaking or coming up with the idea of hyper boosting has little to do with actual combat ability, it's more like indication of flexible thinking. It doesn't really applies to the final duel, he didn't outsmart Zeheart or anything, just took advantage of his unstable mental state. Last edited by overloard; 2012-09-19 at 13:01. |
2012-09-19, 15:07 | Link #111 |
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I'm pulling this idea out of my ass, but here goes...
...what if Zeheart actually charged out there to die? I mean, the guy has been shown to be roughly even against Flit/Asemu/Kio, and he runs out trying to take all three at the same time. Of note is that he also used no bits throughout his entire sortie, even before he had the arm chopped off. Nor do we see him using the Leglis' ejection system...which should've still been possible since the damage was body-only plus an open cockpit. If we take the implication that everything he has lived for was rendered a failure and farce, then him getting his ass kicked so badly on purpose makes some semblance of sense. |
2012-09-19, 15:24 | Link #112 |
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Zeheart rushed there in rage, believing he will defeat all the 3 Gundams with his Gundam. You could say he is insane there, looking on how he is haunted by the dead Vagan people and how he speaks very fast against Asemu. If he still has his cool, maybe the battle could last much longer.
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2012-09-19, 18:30 | Link #113 |
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No he rushed out in a last ditch "Either I kill all the Gundam's myself or I die trying" mentality. Either he made up for his massive blunder or he died. So when he was defeated, he just let himself die, no ejecting or heck he could have jumped over to Dark Hound's open cockpit if he really wanted. Of course none of that should have happened in the first place, but I think Age in general just shouldn't have happened at this point.
Hard to say whether Rey or Shinn or Zeheart had the best finale battle. All of them sucked to some degree, but Rey and Shinn at least a good few minutes each, and got some decent hits it, while Zeheart was destroyed in seconds without managing to do anything. But, while Rey just froze up and let Kira shoot him, Shinn and Zeheart fought to the end. However Shinn had lost it even worse than Zeheart, since his defeat involved him doing such genius things as attacking his own ally when she tried to get him to back off, attempting to block beam sabers with his bare hands, and then trying to kick the MS that had beamsaber legs. Zeheart at least didn't do any blantantly stupid moves like that. He just kept on firing. |
2012-09-19, 19:17 | Link #114 | |
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I don't know, for some reason was just left smiling when Asemu was able to use all those weapons on Legilis and was going to finish off with a literal punch to the face .
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2012-09-19, 19:40 | Link #115 | |
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2012-09-19, 20:49 | Link #116 | |
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2012-09-19, 21:13 | Link #117 | |
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It seems history is forced to repeat itself! At least Zeheart wasn't supposed to be the Main Character/Hero so the sting shouldn't hurt as bad as what happened to Shinn. |
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2012-09-20, 00:16 | Link #118 | |
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Zeheart's Dying Monologue from the Game Thanks to Zeheart Galette tumblr for translation. Provides some prospective.
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2012-09-20, 04:11 | Link #119 | |
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Also, the confession that Zeheart was always as unresolved as Asemu and only coax himself into fighting for Ezelcant is a very nice touch. It brings dramatic irony to their relationship throughout Gen 2, as Zeheart was basically in the same position as Asemu, with Ezelcant being his "Flit". From that perspective, Zeheart can be considered a what-if of Asemu if he didn't discover his own purpose and formulate his own ideas. Which is really a shame. If these points have been brought up in the anime, and sooner, Zeheart could have been an interesting and complex character. Here, he is just a shell, bearing some characteristics of a complex villain that end up seeming just all over the place. |
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2012-09-20, 08:13 | Link #120 |
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I really wonder how long Zeheart had to live due to the Mars Rays effects? That could of had an effect on his outlook on his mission as well. Personally, I believe that Zeheart's character wasn't all over the place. At the end, he just decided to throw the humanity he had down the drain as a means to please Ezelcant. Thus when he failed, he had nothing to lose and be came almost a rabid beast that Asemu had to put down in a quick systematic fashion. He threaten Asemu's son and then unlocked Asemu potential even further to defeat Him. Blind Faith worked against him.
Also, this battle is kinda resembles Judau vs Haman Karn's final battle in Gundam ZZ even with pilot propeling them self away from the opponent to explode. Last edited by Super Pilot Pirate; 2012-09-20 at 08:14. Reason: Typo |
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