2010-12-20, 04:32 | Link #2021 |
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Don't just assume I haven't. The thing is just that I've always wanted to believe in the theory that Bern was just playing the bad guy so that nobody has to blame each other anymore. This was actually what allowed Battler to shift the villain focus from Beato to Bern in Ep5, which allowed him to find out more about Beato's heart. After all, this also fits into Higurashi's morals and line of thought. So when Ep7 showed all that, I accepted it easily.
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2010-12-20, 04:42 | Link #2022 | |
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2010-12-20, 04:44 | Link #2023 |
Just... disturbed.
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As I've said, stop assuming things about me. What I've said has nothing to do with acting good.
There's still a chance that Bern is playing the bad guy for good intentions. After all, Beato in Ep3 as you said was playing the good guy for bad intentions, wasn't she?
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2010-12-20, 04:47 | Link #2024 | |
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guess you got a point there, but i still think Bern is evil, but thats mostly becouse she turned my fav character to minced meat, not just once but twice :P |
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2010-12-20, 04:48 | Link #2025 |
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I would actually like to see another reverse again after all this, because right now, it's so hard to imagine Bernkastel as good and Beatrice as 'extremely evil.' It would troll me hard. EDIT: Personally, the reason I think Bern is evil is because she's portrayed that way. I mean, has she done anything physical but defeat a few concepts such as Beatrice and show a (probably very skewed) truth to people?
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2010-12-20, 05:07 | Link #2027 |
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Besides, how could she do anything "physically" evil if she wanted to? She exists in a world of concepts and metaphors, and is unable to interact with the real world safe for imitating it in Gameboards or talking to kids in their sleep.
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2010-12-20, 05:19 | Link #2029 |
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Yeah, that's entirely true ><. I don't see how any of the meta characters are good or evil except only through portrayal alone of different personified concepts. I guess that's what the meta world is though...
I'm guessing the fanart just comes from pedobear himself... EDIT: Oh, those ones... I have no idea, but it would be nice to see them translated.
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2010-12-20, 05:37 | Link #2031 |
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Never mind, it clearly says that 'Anges scream drowned out Bernkastels red truth'. Hmm.. I wonder if Berns going to get cornered in the last game?... I think the most fitting ending would be if she gets caught by lamda
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I see some potential in this "cut-off Red sentence" theory, but I'd like to closely study the previous example of it. Which line exactly is it from here?: http://umineko.wikia.com/wiki/Red_Truth It seems that "Battler isn't Asumu's son" is stated multiple times at the end of EP4...were they all cut off?
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"Hey, are you watching? Clair? ......You wanted to hide this truth too, didn't you? For fun, you wrote several cat box tales, and planned to seal them in message bottles like the end of a mystery novel you loved. Then, you threw them into the sea. To save those who would suffer if they knew the truth. You sealed everything in a cat box, and Eva provided the lock. And I've sliced that box open for you...!! Ahhahahahahahaha, all that effort you spent to hide it has gone to waste!! I've exposed all of the truth you hid with your death!!" Quote:
1. We know Shannon plans to eventually leave the island. 2. We know Shannon is interested in love and romance. 3. We know that Shannon is very physically attractive. 4. Therefore, it's reasonable to assume that Shannon would find a man after leaving the island who would propose to her, and whom she would fall in love with. You seem to think that the Knox Decalogue of "It is forbidden for the case to be resolved with clues that are not presented," or the similar Dine rule, applies to everything in all of Umineko. But it only applies to the crime of the mystery. I assume you mean "without any grounds," right? Quote:
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2010-12-20, 09:37 | Link #2036 |
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On the subject of Bern's "red truth"--
There are countless ways to interpret a sentence. There are even more ways to interpret a half-sentence. "This is all truth--" is a clever troll. It should completely trick people who still think the only way to solve the mystery is to rely on the red (the whole message of EP5-7 could be said to be the exact opposite: the red is often misleading, while there is a lot of truth behind the seemingly "fictional" scenarios). I'm not saying the sentence is logically invalid. It is. But that doesn't mean it holds relevance to the mystery. The last three reds of EP6 tell us a lot (at least going by my own theory), but they are completely meaningless without context. What exactly does the sentence "This is all truth--" tell you? It could be referring to the guess Lion made about the number of couches Diana ruined, for all we know. The relevant line here is the cheesiest in the whole saga. "Without love, it cannot be seen". No one on Rokkenjima is a bad person. That much is what Battler tells us in the end of the witches' tea party, and it's what we've been told since EP4. I think Bern's version of the story is very close to what happens in EP4. But the motives we're given? Kyrie and Rudolf killed their family for some money? Kyrie doesn't care about her own daughter? This kind of bullshit is just screaming "troll" to me. |
2010-12-20, 09:41 | Link #2037 | |
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Spoiler for Battler chokes:
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Both from ep4. |
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2010-12-20, 10:23 | Link #2038 |
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Although those red sentences were cut off, they don't seem to imply any other truth. The sentences don't imply a whole other truth that's opposite than what they mean to imply. It's pretty different than "This is all truth-...NOT," or whatever variant people think Bern is using. ("This is all truth-...fully amusing," "This is all truth-...within the context of this gameboard," "This is all truth-...except for the part about motives," etc).
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2010-12-20, 11:09 | Link #2039 |
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Yea, Bern seemed to not be in pain or any sort of agony when saying her red. She just had that trollish smiley face when she was interrupted by Ange so I feel like rather than the red being completely false (like the two above from ep4), it's more of a context thing.
Well a better way to look at it is even if Bern's red was complete and finished as "This is all truth.", I'm sure I would still question it. Too bad there was no gold truth in this episode. Would have liked to understand it a bit more. |
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