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mangamuscle · 2021-06-16, 21:09

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Originally Posted by Proto

I guess I'll just assume the series jumped from Slice of life to magical realism.

You mean, like the one in a prior episode where Reiko brutally wrecked her cub (while riding the poor thing) but had no injuries at all (unless you are thinking of her pride, the only part of her that took a hit),

Proto · 2021-06-16, 21:12

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You mean, like the one in a prior episode where Reiko brutally wrecked her cub (while riding the poor thing) but had no injuries at all (unless you are thinking of her pride, the only part of her that took a hit),

I just assumed that the cub was a wreck because of the repeated falls rather than a singular event. As for her own injuries I guess it's nothing that some spit can't solve.

So yeah, magical realism.

BBOvenGuy · 2021-06-17, 01:17

Oh, come on. I think you're being a little too hard on this episode. Yes, the rescue scene was silly and over-the-top, but no worse than Reiko trying to ride up Fuji and falling repeatedly, or even last week's romp in the snow.

Would it have been more sensible for Koguma to call the police or an ambulance, or to take Shii to the hospital? Sure, of course it would have been. But what she did instead was completely in character. First of all, she's used to doing everything for herself. Until she got her Cub, she had nothing and had no one but herself to depend on. Second, she hangs out with Reiko, who's a pretty rough-and-tumble young woman, and in doing so, she's gotten more than a few rough edges herself. And third, they're teenagers! They're not always going to do the sensible thing. They're going to take chances and do risky stuff and think they're invincible enough to get away with it. Good heavens, sometimes when I think about what I did on my bicycle when I was a kid, I marvel at the fact that I'm still alive and I only ever broke one bone in the process.

What made this episode for me was the ending, when the colors suddenly burst out because Koguma made Shii happy. I know there's yuri fanart out there of Koguma and Reiko, but in the show the real sparkage has been between Koguma and Shii. Yuri or platonic, you can take your pick, but it's been there for several episodes now. Besides, Reiko is obviously meant to hook up with that teacher from the other school.

Sean Gaffney · 2021-06-17, 03:20

My idea of Koguma's thought process:

"Hmm, no broken bones... ambulance?"

(Ambulance = ¥¥¥¥¥.)

"I will take you in my Super Cub!"

She's used to avoiding anything that might vaguely cost serious money.

Liddo-kun · 2021-06-17, 06:09

episode 11:

so apparently, Shii has healing powers, so no need to go to the hospital and check for fractures.

also, with her Moulton bike destroyed, the granny bike is awkward. Why not buy a Cub? the brainwashing of viewers continue. lol

Kanon · 2021-06-17, 07:20

Shii asked Koguma if she had called an ambulance, on second thoughts I guess it was implying Shii didn't want one to be called because she was too ashamed or something. Which explains why she didn't call for one herself.

Liddo-kun · 2021-06-17, 07:34

forgot to say.. the "thank my cub, not me" was totally cringe. This is easily the worst episode in the show. Worse than the crazy mount fuji climb that proved Reiko is indestructible, but not her cub.

SeijiSensei · 2021-06-17, 09:04

Again no one ever called Shii's parents, as far as we know, until they show up the next morning. Perhaps we're just supposed to assume they were called, but that's hardly a given since they were not on Shii's call list after the accident.

Nor did Koguma make any attempt to call Shii's parents after receiving Shii's call. Nor did Reiko.

More illegal riding with passengers again?

Kanon · 2021-06-17, 18:03

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More illegal riding with passengers again?

What they did is way worse than illegal riding. Not to mention incredibly dangerous.

BBOvenGuy · 2021-06-17, 20:44

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Again no one ever called Shii's parents, as far as we know, until they show up the next morning. Perhaps we're just supposed to assume they were called, but that's hardly a given since they were not on Shii's call list after the accident.

That's one of those things that ends up getting cut for time. It was probably there at an earlier point in the script, and someone decided, "Nah, they'll just assume someone called her parents. We don't need to waste time showing it."

Proto · 2021-06-17, 21:39

Yeah, at this point I'm willing to give the series the benefit of the doubt. The series is going more for setting a mood rather than telling a realistic story. What happened this episode is well within my suspension of disbelief given that the series core themes well still presented well (cubs! friendship! realizations about social interactions for Koguma!)

serenade_beta · 2021-06-18, 00:40

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Originally Posted by Kanon

What they did is way worse than illegal riding. Not to mention incredibly dangerous.

Reckless endangerment, perhaps. Not sure about Japan's laws on that though

HandofFate · 2021-06-18, 21:38

episode 11 was way too melodramatic.

lol @ Reiko getting on the free coffee and sandwiches for a year, when she was just a tagalong.

Strahan · 2021-06-20, 22:50

I didn't dwell too much on the fact that Koguma was called and she went on the cub to rescue Shii, because well, she's the protagonist lol. What made me go more "WTF?" was sticking a soaking wet girl in the FRONT for the ride home. Great plan to buffet her with icy cold winds while being soaked. I'd at least have taken my coat off to wrap around her. Yea, it's cold, but she's at least dry.

The Fuji climb with Reiko was also really absurd. I've done climbs with dirtbikes in my youth, it was challenging. But then, I was actually doing off road climbs though woods and rough rocks and dirt. Reiko's bike damage and constant falls would be more at home with that kind of riding. In the show, she was riding up a freaking road. Yes, a rough dirt road but still a road. How the hell did she manage to fail that bad?? lol

When Koguma did her oil change, I was waiting for her to forget the catch tray and pull the bolt off and cause a mess. That would've been funny

I also can't believe she rode across town to Reiko's place in fresh snow on a bike. That's suicidal. I rode once when it had snowed; it was terrifying. I won't do it again.

Those few nitpicks aside, it's a very enjoyable show. I'm going to be sad when it ends. I'd like to see a second season where the girls graduate to actual motorcycles.

Sean Gaffney · 2021-06-22, 03:37

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Originally Posted by Strahan

I didn't dwell too much on the fact that Koguma was called and she went on the cub to rescue Shii, because well, she's the protagonist lol. What made me go more "WTF?" was sticking a soaking wet girl in the FRONT for the ride home. Great plan to buffet her with icy cold winds while being soaked. I'd at least have taken my coat off to wrap around her. Yea, it's cold, but she's at least dry.

As Japanese fans who love to play with Google Maps have noted, Koguma's place is approximately 500 feet from the entrance to the cat trail that Shii was on. So it was not that long a ride.

Strahan · 2021-06-22, 14:36

Yea, that's not so bad then.

Heh, that's a funny idea. I should check it out with Google Earth VR.

Infinite Zenith · 2021-06-23, 09:13

We're on the edge of the finale today, so before that, there are a few points that need to be straightened out. People are allowed to have divergent opinions of Super Cub, as with any other series, but there were a set of thoughts on the anime that are not meritorious of consideration:

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I'd find it illuminating as to why hoping that some harm comes to Koguma is an acceptable thought to have. Koguma and Reiko's adventure in the snowy field was a demonstration of how she's now able to have fun where monotony once reigned, and that's all there was to the scene. The implications of this statement are that one should be punished with death for having fun.

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More than anything, this thought demonstrates a complete lack of empathy and understanding of what was happening. Dubious Koguma's choice of actions may be, there is absolutely no indicator that Koguma even considers seeing harm come to Shii.

This fixation on injury and death in a show whose aims are clearly about anything but comes across as immature and petty. I am therefore glad that others in the thread have not given these opinions any additional thought or engaged with them: these remarks are made in poor taste and should not be agreed with. Since the finale is airing soon, I'd figure I'd get this in the open to make it clear that discussion here is more civilised and constructive than that; such destructive thoughts don't contribute anything of value to the discussion.

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As Japanese fans who love to play with Google Maps have noted, Koguma's place is approximately 500 feet from the entrance to the cat trail that Shii was on. So it was not that long a ride.

Not all of the credit goes to Japanese fans; I found Koguma's apartment out of curiosity when the season started, after all! With that being said, I can confirm this is the case.

Marcus H. · 2021-06-23, 10:24

Personal thoughts: Koguma did step out of line with her rough approach to Shii's condition. There were no efforts to check for bruises, broken bones, or wavering consciousness and she even asked the injured to climb up herself and gave her a rather bumpy ride back home. But to generalize this as a lack of empathy or, quoted, "being a psycho" is out of line too. Koguma may be critically impaired in terms of social skills and all she is doing may be what she thinks is right. But there are strong instances in the episode that proved that she felt bad about the unsalvageable Moulton. We can see there that Koguma does understand how painful it is to lose something important.

That aside, I loved the callback to Episode 1. I have to check if Shii actually appeared during Koguma's uphill climb to school, but to reveal that this "new" character was actually the one responsible for this whole adventure was... cute, to say the least.

And now, to watch the finale...

Infinite Zenith · 2021-06-23, 10:30

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Originally Posted by Marcus H.

I have to check if Shii actually appeared during Koguma's uphill climb to school, but to reveal that this "new" character was actually the one responsible for this whole adventure was... cute, to say the least.

Shii does appear for all of a few frames, powering up the hill Koguma struggles with. According to the author, Shii was inspired by GochiUsa's Chino Kafuu and originally had a much smaller role.

BBOvenGuy · 2021-06-23, 10:56

Here's a thought to ponder - Would some of Koguma's and Reiko's actions be considered less objectionable if they were boys? Not would it be less objectionable, but would it be thought of as such? Because in many ways, Reiko especially acts like a guy, and Koguma has picked up some of that attitude. So is at least part of the criticism being leveled at Koguma really just a complaint that she's not being feminine enough?

Discuss.

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Liddo-kun is this so? Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Gradius Home World	episode 11: so apparently, Shii has healing powers, so no need to go to the hospital and check for fractures. also, with her Moulton bike destroyed, the granny bike is awkward. Why not buy a Cub? the brainwashing of viewers continue. lol __________________ Clearing 4 domain with Qiqi / MTGNexus - Magic Art Gallery / AnimEVO 2020 - EFZ tournament / Cool Japan Festival 2015

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Kanon Kana Hanazawa ♥ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: France Age: 37	Shii asked Koguma if she had called an ambulance, on second thoughts I guess it was implying Shii didn't want one to be called because she was too ashamed or something. Which explains why she didn't call for one herself. __________________

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Liddo-kun is this so? Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Gradius Home World	forgot to say.. the "thank my cub, not me" was totally cringe. This is easily the worst episode in the show. Worse than the crazy mount fuji climb that proved Reiko is indestructible, but not her cub. __________________ Clearing 4 domain with Qiqi / MTGNexus - Magic Art Gallery / AnimEVO 2020 - EFZ tournament / Cool Japan Festival 2015

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SeijiSensei AS Oji-kun Join Date: Nov 2006 Age: 74	Again no one ever called Shii's parents, as far as we know, until they show up the next morning. Perhaps we're just supposed to assume they were called, but that's hardly a given since they were not on Shii's call list after the accident. Nor did Koguma make any attempt to call Shii's parents after receiving Shii's call. Nor did Reiko. More illegal riding with passengers again? __________________ Taking Anime Seriously - Politics by the Numbers - Sports by the Numbers - MAL List - Avatars - Images

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Proto Knowledge is the solution Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: St. Louis, MO Age: 39	Yeah, at this point I'm willing to give the series the benefit of the doubt. The series is going more for setting a mood rather than telling a realistic story. What happened this episode is well within my suspension of disbelief given that the series core themes well still presented well (cubs! friendship! realizations about social interactions for Koguma!) __________________ How to play Japanese games in Linux

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BBOvenGuy Math Ninja Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ventura County CA Age: 59	Oh, come on. I think you're being a little too hard on this episode. Yes, the rescue scene was silly and over-the-top, but no worse than Reiko trying to ride up Fuji and falling repeatedly, or even last week's romp in the snow. Would it have been more sensible for Koguma to call the police or an ambulance, or to take Shii to the hospital? Sure, of course it would have been. But what she did instead was completely in character. First of all, she's used to doing everything for herself. Until she got her Cub, she had nothing and had no one but herself to depend on. Second, she hangs out with Reiko, who's a pretty rough-and-tumble young woman, and in doing so, she's gotten more than a few rough edges herself. And third, they're teenagers! They're not always going to do the sensible thing. They're going to take chances and do risky stuff and think they're invincible enough to get away with it. Good heavens, sometimes when I think about what I did on my bicycle when I was a kid, I marvel at the fact that I'm still alive and I only ever broke one bone in the process. What made this episode for me was the ending, when the colors suddenly burst out because Koguma made Shii happy. I know there's yuri fanart out there of Koguma and Reiko, but in the show the real sparkage has been between Koguma and Shii. Yuri or platonic, you can take your pick, but it's been there for several episodes now. Besides, Reiko is obviously meant to hook up with that teacher from the other school.

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Sean Gaffney Nomad of the Time Streams Join Date: May 2004 Age: 51	My idea of Koguma's thought process: "Hmm, no broken bones... ambulance?" (Ambulance = ¥¥¥¥¥.) "I will take you in my Super Cub!" She's used to avoiding anything that might vaguely cost serious money.

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HandofFate Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006	episode 11 was way too melodramatic. lol @ Reiko getting on the free coffee and sandwiches for a year, when she was just a tagalong. __________________ ...

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Strahan Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Pennsylvania	I didn't dwell too much on the fact that Koguma was called and she went on the cub to rescue Shii, because well, she's the protagonist lol. What made me go more "WTF?" was sticking a soaking wet girl in the FRONT for the ride home. Great plan to buffet her with icy cold winds while being soaked. I'd at least have taken my coat off to wrap around her. Yea, it's cold, but she's at least dry. The Fuji climb with Reiko was also really absurd. I've done climbs with dirtbikes in my youth, it was challenging. But then, I was actually doing off road climbs though woods and rough rocks and dirt. Reiko's bike damage and constant falls would be more at home with that kind of riding. In the show, she was riding up a freaking road. Yes, a rough dirt road but still a road. How the hell did she manage to fail that bad?? lol When Koguma did her oil change, I was waiting for her to forget the catch tray and pull the bolt off and cause a mess. That would've been funny I also can't believe she rode across town to Reiko's place in fresh snow on a bike. That's suicidal. I rode once when it had snowed; it was terrifying. I won't do it again. Those few nitpicks aside, it's a very enjoyable show. I'm going to be sad when it ends. I'd like to see a second season where the girls graduate to actual motorcycles.

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Strahan Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Pennsylvania	Yea, that's not so bad then. Heh, that's a funny idea. I should check it out with Google Earth VR.

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Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	Personal thoughts: Koguma did step out of line with her rough approach to Shii's condition. There were no efforts to check for bruises, broken bones, or wavering consciousness and she even asked the injured to climb up herself and gave her a rather bumpy ride back home. But to generalize this as a lack of empathy or, quoted, "being a psycho" is out of line too. Koguma may be critically impaired in terms of social skills and all she is doing may be what she thinks is right. But there are strong instances in the episode that proved that she felt bad about the unsalvageable Moulton. We can see there that Koguma does understand how painful it is to lose something important. That aside, I loved the callback to Episode 1. I have to check if Shii actually appeared during Koguma's uphill climb to school, but to reveal that this "new" character was actually the one responsible for this whole adventure was... cute, to say the least. And now, to watch the finale... __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

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BBOvenGuy Math Ninja Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ventura County CA Age: 59	Here's a thought to ponder - Would some of Koguma's and Reiko's actions be considered less objectionable if they were boys? Not would it be less objectionable, but would it be thought of as such? Because in many ways, Reiko especially acts like a guy, and Koguma has picked up some of that attitude. So is at least part of the criticism being leveled at Koguma really just a complaint that she's not being feminine enough? Discuss.