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Kyuu · 2012-04-20, 13:54

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Originally Posted by Marina2

Maybe...those limitations/rules are:
- The chance to draw those hands is about 15-20% (That's pretty high already, I think)

That's way too high. You're talking about Luck-based Yakuman hands here. Though, with a series like this, the author can do whatever... but still...

Eisdrache · 2012-04-20, 23:32

Way too high? We had people who would constantly win east round, manipulate the senses of their opponents, create a non-tenpai aura, be able to rinshan tsumo at will, win by sheer beginners luck, manipulate the flow of the game and you think 15% is too high?

Kyuu · 2012-04-21, 01:07

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Originally Posted by Eisdrache

Way too high? We had people who would constantly win east round, manipulate the senses of their opponents, create a non-tenpai aura, be able to rinshan tsumo at will, win by sheer beginners luck, manipulate the flow of the game and you think 15% is too high?

(Heaven, Earth, and Man) -- Tenhou, Chihou, Renhou.

You're talking about these hands, right? These three are among the hardest Yakuman to get, just because they're exceptionally luck based, which requires a complete hand at the deal.

http://tenhou.net/sc/prof.html

Heaven hand (Tenhou - 天和) is at the very bottom of that list. To think, a 13-wait Kokushi is just above it.

===

However...

Winning East Rounds on a consistent basis. Yes, I'll put this occurrence on an order of 15-25% for good players.

totoum · 2012-04-21, 01:18

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Originally Posted by Eisdrache

Way too high? We had people who would constantly win east round, manipulate the senses of their opponents, create a non-tenpai aura, be able to rinshan tsumo at will, win by sheer beginners luck, manipulate the flow of the game and you think 15% is too high?

That reminds me of this blogpost from back when the 1st season aired.

Eisdrache · 2012-04-21, 02:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyuu

(Heaven, Earth, and Man) -- Tenhou, Chihou, Renhou.

You're talking about these hands, right? These three are among the hardest Yakuman to get, just because they're exceptionally luck based, which requires a complete hand at the deal.

http://tenhou.net/sc/prof.html

Heaven hand (Tenhou - 天和) is at the very bottom of that list. To think, a 13-wait Kokushi is just above it.

===

However...

Winning East Rounds on a consistent basis. Yes, I'll put this occurrence on an order of 15-25% for good players.

Good job taking the weakest power while completely ignoring the other crazy hax powers. Well done sir, you have really proven your point.

Peanutbutter · 2012-04-21, 03:03

I think posting this is okay, I hope.

Ep 3 will have a 2nd ED...interesting.

Triple_R · 2012-04-21, 10:02

I finally got around to watching the first two episodes of this, as I was a big fan of the original.

It was great to see younger Nodoka in the first episode. Amusing how large her breasts were even back then.

The overall feel and tone of this show is much like the original Saki anime is, and that's great, as it helps to give a greater sense of continuity (or at least of these two anime shows both happening in the same shared universe). The OP and ED of this show is a lot like the ones for the Saki anime, and you even have some BGM tunes shared between the two anime shows.

All of the characters so far are at least decently likable, and all of these positives put together makes for a good, "easy viewing" experience.

However, I do have a couple of disappointments:

1. The lack of quasi-super powers so far, but hopefully this will improve. Hopefully at least one or two of these new girls will have notable Magical Mahjong Mastery powers, like many of the key characters and competitors in the original Saki anime did. For me, that was a lot of the fun and pizazz of the original Saki.

2. Too much sameness amongst the character designs. Unfortunately, this is something that won't change. The original Saki anime benefited from great variations in hair color, eye color, hair/clothing accessories, eye glasses (or none) and character shape/size (Tacos' shortness, Nodoka's boobs

). Heck, even the competing schools in the original Saki anime tended to have teams with loads of distinctiveness in appearance for each and every one of its club members. But that's definitely not the case here, so I'm finding it much harder to sort of "latch on" to these new main protagonists because there's relatively few visual cues to tell them apart with. Thankfully their personalities are helpful here (one being just like Haruhi's Mikuru Asahina, amusingly enough), but it doesn't quite make up for the sameness of the character designs.

All-told, these two issues for me (with at least one being permanent) will likely mean I won't like this as much as I did the original Saki anime. But there's still enough charm to this show that I'll probably find it a decent enough watch anyway.

totoum · 2012-04-21, 12:57

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Originally Posted by Triple_R

However, I do have a couple of disappointments

Just want to say I share the sentiment,I guess the lack of superpowers comes from the lack of real focus on mahjong so far,however I'm quite confident that will change.

I had a hard time with the designs before the show began airing however the VAs have done a nice job in bringing out the individuality in each girl.

That being said like you I still quite like the show overall and I'm sure the best as yet to come! Kuro's my favorite girl so far.Zettai + HanaKana?That's a lethal combo.

Kyuu · 2012-04-21, 14:22

On the Mahjong super-powers... then can only be a certain number of capabilities to this game -- and season 1 did dump out a whole lot of that. Thing is: super-powers that should come out of an eventual season 2 for the Nationals tournament should remain there.

That would leave Achiga with... not so many powers to work with. Although - they could bring out Hotei (instead of Haitei) into this series.

Scarletknive · 2012-04-22, 01:05

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Originally Posted by Kyuu

On the Mahjong super-powers... then can only be a certain number of capabilities to this game -- and season 1 did dump out a whole lot of that. Thing is: super-powers that should come out of an eventual season 2 for the Nationals tournament should remain there.

That would leave Achiga with... not so many powers to work with. Although - they could bring out Hotei (instead of Haitei) into this series.

Maybe the powers haven't awaken yet.

ultimatemegax · 2012-04-22, 12:06

Tiny spoiler for episode 3 regarding new ED since it just aired.

Spoiler:

Midonin · 2012-04-22, 12:32

Shizu's incredibly hot blooded. That scene where she kept yelling, with the flaming aura, was hilarious and kind of inspiring. The show's still moving at an incredibly fast clip (Bansei, for all the talk of their prowess, went down like chumps), but this episode really tied the universe together. Seeing the Ryuumonbuchi team again, not to mention Saki herself, and that closing narration, tied everything together. Even if the first season stopped just short of the nationals, not an episode has gone by where they haven't reminded us that this is still the same universe we visited those years ago.

Even though Saki was probably lost, she struck fear into the hearts of another team. I wonder if she's aware of that.

Sol Falling · 2012-04-22, 13:37

I'm usually fond of Yuuki Aoi, but I'm actually not really feeling her Shizu voice here...for whatever reason. Somewhat disappointing. Speaking of voice acting though, man, Cela, jesus (that's the red/orange-haired Senriyama tomboy, for anime-only people). What the hell was that voice. For a character I vaguely liked in the source material, that introduction was kinda atrocious.

In any case, although they sped past the mahjong in this episode, content-wise it did force me to realize one thing. Namely: these are the fucking Nationals, guys (lol). After two and a half years, they are here, in anime form. It didn't really strike me earlier because the Saki manga has been in the nationals for a while now, but from the perspective of the anime, this is a pretty big thing. So yeah, although I've been complaining about the execution of the anime for a little while now--screw that (lol), I'm excited for what's coming next.

Nice alternative ED to cap of the episode, this time around. Good stuff. I'm looking forward to next week.

Peanutbutter · 2012-04-22, 13:38

I wonder how much people will be surprised watching this episode 3.

From a manga reader point of view, I'm pretty satisfied to see how they "padded" this episode, particularly with references all over.

Well, though I never quite like the pace in the series so far, the real show is later and really, that's all that'll matter.

ars89 · 2012-04-22, 13:44

Oh man i'm so excited right now. First i thought it would be like the first series and just chronicle their fight to the nationals. Glad they got rid of Bansei in the first round. Then thought they would show the matches during the training camps. Glad we got a cameo from Ryuumonbuchi. So they already met Senriyama, i'm guessing the sickly girl is their ace. Knowing Saki she is probably lost, but glad we got to finally see her. So the rest of the series is just going to be the nationals, hope we see Kiyosumi's and Shiraitodai's matches.

Requiem-x · 2012-04-22, 15:23

Today, in achiga-hen

Spoiler for Your trip must've been quite long:

And of course, the moment we've all been waiting for

Spoiler for Nodoka is mine, and no one else's:

Other things to notice

Spoiler for Various:

Kaoru Chujo · 2012-04-22, 15:31

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Originally Posted by Sol Falling

I'm usually fond of Yuuki Aoi, but I'm actually not really feeling her Shizu voice here...for whatever reason....

Japanese commenters seem to love the voice, but it isn't my favorite Ao-voice, either. However the heavy breathing as she was running up at the beginning of the episode was amazing. And I thought the characterization was good, always giving the feeling of rushing ahead enthusiastically, especially in the latter part of ep3. And there is something about her voice that just stabs the emotion into you -- or at least into me.

Yuuki Aoi's deepest fans most love her performance as Riko in Kiruminzu, where she was given enormous latitude to do as she pleased, and runs the gamut of voices and sounds. It's a little much even for me, but pretty amazing.

As for this episode, I was amazed by the speed, but they made it all work, and the episode was over before I realized it. Somehow, they are giving me good emotional hits all the way through. Is it the music? Is the voices?

I have updated my characters/seiyuus page to include Ryuumonbuchi and Kiyosumi.

RegalStar · 2012-04-22, 15:37

So, where's the mahjong? Give me more mahjong man!

Anyways, although clash of superpowers like the original anime is always fun to watch, keeping reality warping limited can be good for actual learning (IIRC Nodoka's moves were generally actually pretty insightful in real situations, while moves from Saki and Koromo are well... yeah). Regardless though, I can't wait to see some actual playing.

maplehurry · 2012-04-22, 16:10

saki's skirt becomes longer, wtf ???

ultimatemegax · 2012-04-22, 16:22

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Originally Posted by maplehurry

saki's skirt becomes longer, wtf ???

This is somewhat of a VERY MINOR spoiler from the original series manga, (Nothing to do with the plot; it's that minor) but I'll place it in a spoiler tag.

Spoiler:

2012-04-21, 10:02	Link #387
Triple_R Senior Member Author Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Newfoundland, Canada Age: 42	I finally got around to watching the first two episodes of this, as I was a big fan of the original. It was great to see younger Nodoka in the first episode. Amusing how large her breasts were even back then. The overall feel and tone of this show is much like the original Saki anime is, and that's great, as it helps to give a greater sense of continuity (or at least of these two anime shows both happening in the same shared universe). The OP and ED of this show is a lot like the ones for the Saki anime, and you even have some BGM tunes shared between the two anime shows. All of the characters so far are at least decently likable, and all of these positives put together makes for a good, "easy viewing" experience. However, I do have a couple of disappointments: 1. The lack of quasi-super powers so far, but hopefully this will improve. Hopefully at least one or two of these new girls will have notable Magical Mahjong Mastery powers, like many of the key characters and competitors in the original Saki anime did. For me, that was a lot of the fun and pizazz of the original Saki. 2. Too much sameness amongst the character designs. Unfortunately, this is something that won't change. The original Saki anime benefited from great variations in hair color, eye color, hair/clothing accessories, eye glasses (or none) and character shape/size (Tacos' shortness, Nodoka's boobs ). Heck, even the competing schools in the original Saki anime tended to have teams with loads of distinctiveness in appearance for each and every one of its club members. But that's definitely not the case here, so I'm finding it much harder to sort of "latch on" to these new main protagonists because there's relatively few visual cues to tell them apart with. Thankfully their personalities are helpful here (one being just like Haruhi's Mikuru Asahina, amusingly enough), but it doesn't quite make up for the sameness of the character designs. All-told, these two issues for me (with at least one being permanent) will likely mean I won't like this as much as I did the original Saki anime. But there's still enough charm to this show that I'll probably find it a decent enough watch anyway. __________________

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2012-04-22, 12:06	Link #391
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2012-04-22, 13:44	Link #395
ars89 One-Eyed Dragon Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: NJ, USA	Oh man i'm so excited right now. First i thought it would be like the first series and just chronicle their fight to the nationals. Glad they got rid of Bansei in the first round. Then thought they would show the matches during the training camps. Glad we got a cameo from Ryuumonbuchi. So they already met Senriyama, i'm guessing the sickly girl is their ace. Knowing Saki she is probably lost, but glad we got to finally see her. So the rest of the series is just going to be the nationals, hope we see Kiyosumi's and Shiraitodai's matches. __________________ My Anime List

2012-04-22, 15:23	Link #396
Requiem-x The slacking one Join Date: Apr 2012	Today, in achiga-hen Spoiler for Your trip must've been quite long: THE KOROMO Thank you so much to all the anime staff for showing her in all her unholy glory. Seriously, we never got to see her in darkness mode in the achiga manga, and that made all the difference, at least as far as my fangasming is concerned. And of course, she owned like only the Koromo can. Nice detail from Akado from getting worried poor Shizuno might end up scarred for life. Fortunately, Shizuno has more spirit than that. And of course, the moment we've all been waiting for Spoiler for Nodoka is mine, and no one else's: Perfectly done. And to think she was just looking for the bathroom Other things to notice Spoiler for Various: Toki and Ryuuka are adorable. Why are you making my ears bleed, Cela, why!? Ok, she's a tomboy, I get it, now please make her sound better. Speaking of voices, I'm just loving Shizuno's voice, especially how she goes from super genki to serious business, aka "I want to see Nodoka" mode in a heartbeat. It's a simple but good way to know she truly cares, and to keep us from forgetting that in the end, this is about meeting an old "friend" and just having fun like the old times instead of all the pseudo-drama from s1. Sure, there's a competitive spirit, but getting re-acquinted with Nodocchi is priority number one. Serious ED this time around, I'm impressed, and it sounds pretty nice too. Last edited by Requiem-x; 2012-04-22 at 15:33.

2012-04-20, 23:32	Link #382
Eisdrache Part-time misanthrope Join Date: Mar 2007	Way too high? We had people who would constantly win east round, manipulate the senses of their opponents, create a non-tenpai aura, be able to rinshan tsumo at will, win by sheer beginners luck, manipulate the flow of the game and you think 15% is too high?

2012-04-21, 03:03	Link #386
Peanutbutter Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007	I think posting this is okay, I hope. Ep 3 will have a 2nd ED...interesting.

2012-04-22, 12:32	Link #392
Midonin Last Engage Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Florida	Shizu's incredibly hot blooded. That scene where she kept yelling, with the flaming aura, was hilarious and kind of inspiring. The show's still moving at an incredibly fast clip (Bansei, for all the talk of their prowess, went down like chumps), but this episode really tied the universe together. Seeing the Ryuumonbuchi team again, not to mention Saki herself, and that closing narration, tied everything together. Even if the first season stopped just short of the nationals, not an episode has gone by where they haven't reminded us that this is still the same universe we visited those years ago. Even though Saki was probably lost, she struck fear into the hearts of another team. I wonder if she's aware of that.

2012-04-22, 13:37	Link #393
Sol Falling Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Age: 35	I'm usually fond of Yuuki Aoi, but I'm actually not really feeling her Shizu voice here...for whatever reason. Somewhat disappointing. Speaking of voice acting though, man, Cela, jesus (that's the red/orange-haired Senriyama tomboy, for anime-only people). What the hell was that voice. For a character I vaguely liked in the source material, that introduction was kinda atrocious. In any case, although they sped past the mahjong in this episode, content-wise it did force me to realize one thing. Namely: these are the fucking Nationals, guys (lol). After two and a half years, they are here, in anime form. It didn't really strike me earlier because the Saki manga has been in the nationals for a while now, but from the perspective of the anime, this is a pretty big thing. So yeah, although I've been complaining about the execution of the anime for a little while now--screw that (lol), I'm excited for what's coming next. Nice alternative ED to cap of the episode, this time around. Good stuff. I'm looking forward to next week.

2012-04-22, 13:38	Link #394
Peanutbutter Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007	I wonder how much people will be surprised watching this episode 3. From a manga reader point of view, I'm pretty satisfied to see how they "padded" this episode, particularly with references all over. Well, though I never quite like the pace in the series so far, the real show is later and really, that's all that'll matter.

2012-04-22, 15:37	Link #398
RegalStar Mishaguji-sama Join Date: Oct 2010	So, where's the mahjong? Give me more mahjong man! Anyways, although clash of superpowers like the original anime is always fun to watch, keeping reality warping limited can be good for actual learning (IIRC Nodoka's moves were generally actually pretty insightful in real situations, while moves from Saki and Koromo are well... yeah). Regardless though, I can't wait to see some actual playing.

2012-04-22, 16:10	Link #399
maplehurry Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007	saki's skirt becomes longer, wtf ???