[Game] Umineko no Naku Koro ni - Ep. 3 Banquet of the golden witch

[Klashikari]

Well, it is quite blatant, as episode 1 put a more blunt emphasis on the similarities: Maria's letter has uncanny similar sentences than Keiichi's.
On the other hand, the ones for Episode 2 with Meakashi-hen are a bit more "difficult".

That said, the third title itself is quite... "gruesome" for those who finished episode 2. I just hope we won't have some "how to cook with Anibal lect... oops, Beatrice-sama!" scenes again, or it might be really insane

[Nadeor]

I just hope the Banquet which Ryukishi07 present to us will be abundant with Killings and Stakes for sides
Ryukishi07 already explained to the readers, that it is necessary to use the logics from Higurashi, but it's unappliable to explain solely based on that

[Sterling01]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

That said, the third title itself is quite... "gruesome" for those who finished episode 2. I just hope we won't have some "how to cook with Anibal lect... oops, Beatrice-sama!" scenes again, or it might be really insane

But that was the best part of episode 2...
I wonder how many new music tracks there's going to be?

[Rias]

The portrait has been put up on the offical webpage, and has the link: http://07th-expansion.net/umi/bea3.jpg

Portrait = Beatrice confirmed? Or does Bea3 means Bea-something, such as Beazawachiyo?( Be-a => Bear =>Kuma =>Kumazawa? )

[Sterling01]

Originally Posted by Rias

The portrait has been put up on the offical webpage, and has the link: http://07th-expansion.net/umi/bea3.jpg

Portrait = Beatrice confirmed? Or does Bea3 means Bea-something, such as Beazawachiyo?( Be-a => Bear =>Kuma =>Kumazawa? )

It could be the real "Beatrice" the one responsible for the wealth of the family and not the Witch Beatrice that Ep1's Battler is with.

[Nadeor]

I can't see the resemblance...
However I thought it was confirmed as Maria...?
But still...the summer comicket is only weeks away!
Guys, get ready for some serious Umi-ing XD

[crazysjd89]

Spoiler for Theory on Beatrice and portrait changing:

This might be kind of farfetched, but...

I wonder if Beatrice is a "blanket term" which is used to describe women who have had a huge effect on Kinzo's life, and that's why the portrait keeps changing. And maybe the first woman was the actual Beatrice, and he was really in love with her, so he started seeing other women as "Beatrice".

If we assume the portrait will change one more time in Volume 4 and then loop through again in the answer arcs, that means there are 4 different Beatrices, and the "gifts" might correspond to the impact each Beatrice has had on his life.

"One shall be, all the gold from the Golden Land. " Most likely a Beatrice who helped Kinzo and gave him the gold.
"One shall be, the resurrection of the souls of all the dead. " I'm not sure about this one. Maybe one who got him into black magic at first? Or perhaps it's the only woman to be able to promote her pawn to her dead queen in Chess against Kinzo!</EndBadChessPun>
"One shall be, even the resurrection of the lost love. " could be a Beatrice that Kinzo fell in love with.
"One shall be, to put the Witch to sleep for all time. " I have a couple of thoughts on this one, but mostly thinking this is Kinzo's wife, which might be completely illogical due to things previously said. Or perhaps it's a woman who "hasn't happened yet"(lack of better term) and is the one who will stop Kinzo's obsession with Beatrice.

Like I said, it's a bit farout, but I thought it was interesting

I'm going to see if I can link this to the riddle at the beginning of the inscription.

[Rias]

Originally Posted by Nadeor

I can't see the resemblance...
However I thought it was confirmed as Maria...?
But still...the summer comicket is only weeks away!
Guys, get ready for some serious Umi-ing XD

No one ever confirmed who is on the portrait...

[Nadeor]

Nice theory...But I still think that is a key point to the world's changing patterns
Like how Frederica Bernkastel reviewed to Rika prior to the beginning of the world of Minagoroshi-hen, she explained the rules XYZ, which are the rules that existed in all worlds. Upon knowing this, Rika finally defeated Miyo in Matsuribayashi-hen

So I think, that the patterns of how the portrait changes is a key point to how the world organized. Even if it's just only Rule X exists, Battler still has a chance

[theacefrehley]

Originally Posted by Nadeor

Nice theory...But I still think that is a key point to the world's changing patterns
Like how Frederica Bernkastel reviewed to Rika prior to the beginning of the world of Minagoroshi-hen, she explained the rules XYZ, which are the rules that existed in all worlds. Upon knowing this, Rika finally defeated Miyo in Matsuribayashi-hen

So I think, that the patterns of how the portrait changes is a key point to how the world organized. Even if it's just only Rule X exists, Battler still has a chance

From what I remember
Bernkastel never talks to Rika, only to the readers

If I'm not mistaken, Rika doesn't even use the words 'rule x, rule y, rule z' even though she is aware they are at work

So, I don't think Battler can count with Bernkastel's help

[Sterling01]

Originally Posted by theacefrehley

From what I remember
Bernkastel never talks to Rika, only to the readers

If I'm not mistaken, Rika doesn't even use the words 'rule x, rule y, rule z' even though she is aware they are at work

So, I don't think Battler can count with Bernkastel's help

Bernkastel and 34-tan are talking to Battler in the 2nd Hidden tea party

[Rias]

Rika didn't defeat Takano becuase she knows about Rule XYZ. Rather, it's arguable that she knows about the rules, or at least the components of it, before, as hinted by her revelations to Akasaka in Himatsubushi-hen. However, as we can see, due to her stance and lack of effort, added with the strong will that drives Rule Y (which in turns feeds Rule X and Z), she was unable to do anything to prevent the tragerdy.

The key to victory in Matsuribayashi-hen is the miraculous disappearance of Rule X, enlisting and dissolving Rule Z, and preventing Rule Y from happening by knowing who the true culprit is before Rule Y happens.

[theacefrehley]

Well,
Rika knows that someone most probably will go nuts in every world, so she is kind of aware of rule X
She knows that takano, tomitake and Rika always die, so Rule Y (the strog will that always makes it happen)
And she is pretty aware of the atmosphere of Sonozaki/Hinamizawa and the whole stuff about the Sonozaki being 'potential' suspects of everything that happens => rule Z

She just doesn't give the name 'rule' to the facts above

Originally Posted by Sterling01

Bernkastel and 34-tan are talking to Battler in the 2nd Hidden tea party

To me they are talking to the readers
There's nothing indicating they are talking to Battler

[Nadeor]

I was talking about in the Manga version of Minagoroshi-hen
The first chapter is "Frederica", which is the conversation held prior to the beginning of Minagoroshi-hen, sadly Rika only remembered few things but forgotten what's important

And to Ace:
Yes it is indicated that they were talking to the depressed Battler
from what I can see, it happened this way chronologically:

EP2 -> EP2 Hidden Tea Party -> EP2 Tea Party

Since Battler's depressed because he was defeated, Bern and Lambda decided to 'cheer him up' in different ways (Although Lambda does not seem like she's trying to cheer him up)
Then Battler returns to the surface tea party of EP2, of which Rosa is been tortured by Beatrice, and smashed Beatrice's face onto the table...or a dish?
Evidence:
Beatrice mentioned in the Surface tea party, that Battler has been cheered up by 'some other witches'
Which is the "Lord of the Nippa" and "Super-Paper"...O_o

[Sterling01]

Originally Posted by Nadeor

Since Battler's depressed because he was defeated, Bern and Lambda decided to 'cheer him up' in different ways (Although Lambda does not seem like she's trying to cheer him up)

Lambda was trying to show her dere side

[Nadeor]

Ryukishi probably gave all 3 witches a type of personality...
Bern would be Yangire~*cough cough* Watanagashi-hen**
Lambda would be Tsundere yeap
Battler is M
and Beatrice is Nisemusume + S XDDDD

[Sterling01]

Originally Posted by Nadeor

Bern would be Yangire~*cough cough* Watanagashi-hen**
Lambda would be Tsundere yeap
Battler is M
and Beatrice is Nisemusume + S XDDDD

Well Battler is Beato's M-slave
Though I think Beato wants Battler to make her his M-slave. Kinda the whole point of their game.
I don't see how Beato is a Nisemusume

[theacefrehley]

Originally Posted by Nadeor

I was talking about in the Manga version of Minagoroshi-hen
The first chapter is "Frederica", which is the conversation held prior to the beginning of Minagoroshi-hen, sadly Rika only remembered few things but forgotten what's important

And to Ace:
Yes it is indicated that they were talking to the depressed Battler
from what I can see, it happened this way chronologically:

EP2 -> EP2 Hidden Tea Party -> EP2 Tea Party

Since Battler's depressed because he was defeated, Bern and Lambda decided to 'cheer him up' in different ways (Although Lambda does not seem like she's trying to cheer him up)
Then Battler returns to the surface tea party of EP2, of which Rosa is been tortured by Beatrice, and smashed Beatrice's face onto the table...or a dish?
Evidence:
Beatrice mentioned in the Surface tea party, that Battler has been cheered up by 'some other witches'
Which is the "Lord of the Nippa" and "Super-Paper"...O_o

As for the manga,
Nothing more reliable than the game
And Rika doesn't remember that talk, so, it's as if it didn't exist

As for Umineko
Seriously,
I read it again and I couldn't find this part of 'being cheered up by some other witches' being said to Battler, really

[Nabiki Asakura]

Sorry if somebody told it before, but, the with is beatrice-sama.



look at the link

http://07th-expansion.net/umi/bea3.jpg

[momobunny]

Originally Posted by Nabiki Asakura

Sorry if somebody told it before, but, the with is beatrice-sama.



look at the link

http://07th-expansion.net/umi/bea3.jpg

Thanks for clearing that up! =3 I never believed that that was Maria, the hair color and style are different and it doesn't look much like her to me... so it being confirmed that it's Beatrice makes sense. ^^

EDIT: Errrrr not? O.o;