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2009-05-14, 11:43 | Link #102 | |
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Well, I think those apple-bombs sorta count.... But yeah, I want to see Doc Q in action, too. I'm sure that he's an extremely deadly guy, seeing as his nickname is even Shinigami/Grim Reaper. You can't judge a sickly old guy and his horse by their cover...... |
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I think you are strongly missing the point here, there is different between doing something against the law or out of personal interest, and doing something against the WG. The Word Government itself do Dubius things that you could be say it is abusing the law, however, The Sichibukai doing something that breaks the Law, and the Sichibukai doing something that goes completely against the WG are 2 totally different things. Examples: Jimbei not obeying WG into participating in battle against WB. Croc Planning a civil war in a country that has affiliation with the World Government. Both of them were striped of theirs ranks and sent to jail. As the definition of lapdog goes like this: One eager to do another's bidding, especially in order to maintain a position of privilege or favor.” Basically these guys do things for the government to keep their status, and not even because they agree or like doing it.
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2009-05-14, 12:22 | Link #105 |
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If the Shichibukai were true lapdogs, they would be quite submissive and obey most if not all of the WG's orders without question. But from what has been shown so far, they don't, and more often than not do what they please unless their title is in jeopardy (like it is if they refuse to participate in the battle vs WB).
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BTW, before you continue with your incredible run at me, Jimbei befriends with the enemies is not something unheard of before: -Profesor X leader of the X-men best friend happens to be X-men greatest foe, Magneto -Naruto best friends joined one of the most dangerous persons for Konoha, Orochimaru Have professor X been kicked out of the X-men because of this? Have naruto been Kicked ou of Konoha because of it? Like I said, your argument makes little sense in what you are trying to prove here. Quote:
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The fact that hancock needs to hide things in order to keep been a Sichibukai, even if she goes against specific instructions speak volumes of what Im talking about and just like Jimbei, you only are presented with a shallow part of what they have done under the WG and the orders they have follwed before. So, Don’t go on assuming that just because She didn’t want to participate I no war, she didn’t accept others requests from the WG.
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Lap Dogs don't do what the Seven armed seas do, I have already provided a nice amount of Canon backing me. You have yet to provide anything proving they are in there masters laps. |
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2009-05-14, 14:17 | Link #108 |
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Look, I will concede you the point because after reading my original post, it is possible my inttention was to say Goverment Dogs, and Not Goverment Lap Dogs.
Tell me is that changes anything or the debate still stands
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2009-05-14, 14:23 | Link #109 |
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How many lap dogs have you seen or met?
In One Piece, it is most likely referring to doing work for the WG. They don't have to completely comply with their requests, yet they still do jobs for them. And, as we had seen so far, except for the emergency situations, they seem to have more freedom than a typical lap dog you are referring to. Though even in emergency situations they may have more freedom than usual. Also, to prove your point, try to sleep with a hungry pitbull on your lap, and see what a lap dog can or cannot do...If you survive with no damage, then that means you are right. If you get some damage, then that means you are wrong. |
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2009-05-14, 14:29 | Link #111 | |
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And Master Mold, could you at least credit that definition you are using over the site where you got it? you seem to be having fun using it as if where your own (at least some decency of using your own words, as you even did copy paste)
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Ping me, when you get a hold of Oda, and get an answer as to that words should be okay to use, as the way he might have intended to be different. Well, if I am not mistaken, in the story it was mentioned as government dogs, but I may be wrong, as I am not one of the gods of the one piece world. |
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2009-05-14, 14:45 | Link #113 |
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Hmm, the Shichibukai are the dogs of the Government, there is no question about that (they work for the government, and at times can be forced to do certain activities they might otherwise not be interested in), but I do not think you can quite call them lap dogs because several of them are more than willing to betray their 'masters' if given sufficient reason (ex: Crocodile gaining Pluton would have more than made up for the fact that he lost his title (arguably Moria gaining Odz could have ended in Moria leaving the Shichibukai to try and become the Pirate King yet again)). I human lap dog is ultimately a lackey, a servile follower, and lackeys do not betray their 'masters'.
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2009-05-14, 14:56 | Link #115 |
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being a shibubukai gives you a free pass to do pretty much what ever you want...
i dont see the shibubuaki as a lap dog or a lacky,they only did it probably cos that way the wg dont go after them which means they can keep doing what ever they want as long as they agree to do once in a while something the wg ask,look at mihawk,i dont think anyone in the wg will be suprised if he simply wont do anything if whitebeard come along,and i dont think anyone there can tell him what to do or to doflamingo for that matter,he can play with the wg like puppets if he realy wants to,its simply good buisness to work with the wg and to know what they plan,and as a strong charcter in one piece you can alwyas simply ditch the wg when ever they want,dont foget the wg are not stronger then all the shibubukai together,and if they join forces with a few more crew members like the straw hats and maybe even a yankou,sence everybody hates the wg... |
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Chapter is out!
I was sceptical about this chapter when I first checked spoilers but I should not stop beliveng Oda. Chapter was excellent read and full of content. Blackbeard invading Impel Down was real plot twist that I doubt anyone could foresee. Shiriyuu was even more brutal than I expected, he even looks quite intimidating and evil. What is unclear at this moment is why did Blackbeard stole marine ship and invaded Impel Down dangering his very position as Shichibukai. Currently most popular theory out there is that he is come to Impel Down to recruit some dangerous invidiuals to his crew, Shiriyu has been excpected to join Blackbeard pirates. Shiriyuu would be dangerous addition to Blackbeard crew providing them swordmaster and another extremely ruthless and dangerous fighter. Personally I dont think Blackbeard is there to help Luffy, I believe he will be serious thread to Luffy and his crew. Oda surely suprised us all and I believe we will be given excellent reasons for Blackbeards sudden assault. But until next chapters we have lot to discuss and theory to about |
2009-05-14, 16:05 | Link #118 |
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I going to make a prediction...there is a lost history Log in Impel Down, and Blackbeard has gone to the jail to read the Log...obviously this is complete conjecture based on nothing besides the fact that I think it would be cool .
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Shiryu is clearly a sadist and gonna give team blackbeard a little tough time.But no matter what happens I fail to see team Blackbeard going down right here and now.I think Shiryu will be a great enemy to witness Lafitte,Doc,Burgess and Augers secret skills rather than Blackbeard himself.
plus these two little scenes made me laugh hard Stronger looks stronger than ever lol!
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I personally think Blackbeard and Shiriyuu know eachother in past.
Or Blackbeard and Shiriyuu will clash and Blackbeard convinces Shiriyuu to join his crew, Shiriyuu dont have any future amongs World Goverment or Impel down. Shiriyuu would prove excellent enemy for Zoro should Strawhats and Blackbeard crews ever clash in New World. 3 reasons why I think BB might have assaulted Impel Down. 1: Recruitment BB is aiming to bolster his crew with powerful and ruthless members such as Shiriyuu and silver-medallists. 2: Killing Luffy Blackbeard might have twisted sense of honor and he might have promised to himself to bring an end to Luffy. 3. Something in Impel Down. As James mentioned there might be some kind of log pose/artefact or information that is crucial to Blackbeard. |
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