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Following a post I made in the 'Suggestions' forum about Slice of Life anime, members began a little interesting conversation. Perhaps we can discuss about the issues raised in the below quotes in this thread to avoid going off-topic in the original thread? So, for all those who want to talk about 'Slice of Life' anime.. (For example, Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou, Mushishi, Aria the Animation etc). From the topic: Quote:
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2007-03-03, 10:43 | Link #2 | |
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If you want to discuss and recommend similar slice-of-life series, then the Suggestions forum is the correct place for that. If you want to discuss series such as Mushishi or Aria then please use the existing threads. I think we used to have a YKK thread but it most likely was lost in the 2005 Restore, but there is no reason why a new YKK thread couldn't be created in the Fansubbed forum. |
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2007-03-03, 23:21 | Link #3 | |
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I'm sure we'll be happy to respect whatever decision you make, since the intention to take the conversation here was to observe the rules. |
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2007-03-04, 06:40 | Link #4 | |
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Clearly such discussion needs to mention slice-of-life series and use examples why the genre has it's attractions, as long as it doesn't drift off into discussion the series themselves, no problem. If someone wants to have a go a making a post to better define the purpose of the the thread, then please go ahead. It might be an idea to edit the first post and remove the quotes since they seem to confuse issues (especially the technical comments about encodes and such, what the heck is that doing there to introduce a topic on the genre ). Your (joojoobees) posts were fine but would better serve as the follow up to the introduction, or better still it might have been more suitable if you made the first post with an edited version of those posts |
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2007-03-04, 06:54 | Link #5 | |
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"I believe the idea was to talk about the genre of slice-of-life more generally. (What is it? Why is it reviled?) There was some concern expressed that by talking about the genre itelf, we were being off-topic in the suggestion thread."
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Yes, my intention is exactly what Joojoobees expressed. I will edit my first post. |
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2007-03-05, 02:43 | Link #7 |
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In other mediums, "slice-of-life" is usually referred to as "character-driven". Bear with me here...
"Drama" is basically about three characters, the Victim, the Victimizer and the Savoir, and how those people change places. Victim becomes savior, etc, etc. Sometimes, one of the people are missing. Sometimes, one character takes on two of those roles...and so on. "Melodrama" is where those positions don't change. That is; the person who is the victim at the beginning is STILL the victim at the end. SO--good stories are where the characters move (metaphorically), they change, they're not the same at the beginning as they are at the end. So what? "Character-driven" stories are low on plot. Not a lot goes on, but the *characters* change a lot. Take, for example, Azumanga Daioh. Plot-wise, almost nothing happens. They go through three years of farily uneventful school. Nobody is raped, nobody is killed, nobody fails a test or gets a boyfriend. But the characters are different at the end than they were at the beginning (especially Chiyo-chan). The same is true for the examples, above. Yokohama Kaidashii Kikou, Kokoro Toshokan, Aria, Hidamari Sketch...all are character-driven stories. The only real problem comes in when the story tellers fail to make you *care* about those characters. This may not be the story-teller's fault, it may be that they characters just don't "click" with you. I'm a total sucker for these kinds of stories. I do like lots of plot--I loved 12 Kingdoms and GitS-StandAloneComplex and Black Lagoon. But some "cute girls doing cute things in cute ways" (as the promo for Ichigo Mashimaro said), and I'm hooked. |
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Slice-of-Life versus Character-Driven
Alright, Ueda, a really good post. There's a lot of stuff in there, and I have a different take on at least some of it.
I also want to throw out here that actual examples of shows (or works from other mediums) are likely to reference multiple genres. We can talk about the genres as if they were pure things, but real shows mix elements from different genres. I say this just because example shows might exhibit something from one genre but principly be examples of a different genre. Quote:
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Okay, let me finish with this: When looking at a story one can extract these three elements: Plot, Character, and Setting. Plot-driven stories emphasize Plot. Character-driven stories emphasize Character. Slice-of-life stories emphasize Setting. Last edited by Joojoobees; 2007-03-05 at 12:38. |
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2007-03-05, 14:04 | Link #9 | ||
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All right! This is a great convo already!
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Unfortunately, this leaves trying to categorize things in a difficult place (in the context of my training, anyway >.> ) I'm sorry, but I can't get away from the idea that things *ought* to change, whether it's plot, character or setting. I *really* like your theory, here. I think I might start using it, myself. But like I said, I still lean towards the idea that those three things must not be merely emphasized, but also must show some kind of progress or change. Okay, maybe I just need to think about it some more to get used to the idea. :P |
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2007-03-05, 14:21 | Link #10 |
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I agree that character-driven stories are not the same as slice-of-life stories.
"Character-driven" suggests some kind of character arc--a moral dilemma, a romantic development, anguish, difficult decisions, drama & serious changes--and while fleshed-out characters are as desirable in slice-of-life anime as anywhere else, they don't need to undergo the kind of development toward something different that is the core of a character-driven story. Also, rather than saying that slice-of-life stories emphasize setting, I would suggest that they primarily emphasize atmosphere. Often that is, indeed, derived from the setting, but it can also be from the characters & their interactions, the music, the art and coloring, the voice acting--preferably a combination of all of these. Supporting characters in slice-of-life anime might evolve, but the central characters are often pillars of constancy. We understand them, love them and don't want them to change. |
2007-03-05, 17:43 | Link #11 |
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I believe ARIA to be the archetypal slice-of-life anime by excellence. You get a show where nothing, nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING at all happens, and it stills becomes something extremely enjoyable for people who appreciate slice-of-life. In ARIA, the emphasis is on something that, as Joojoobees states, can be called the 'setting'.
But I'd rather say that such 'setting' is focused in what I understand as, like the title denotes it, a portion, fragment, a slice of everyday life, with all its boredom and monotony. But not only that, the focus on these portions of everyday life has to be put, in my opinion, on drawing from such boredom and monotony the beauty and excitement of everyday life. That is something ARIA excels at doing, and that's why I consider it the mother of all slice-of-life shows (although it's quite a recent title...).
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2007-03-05, 23:15 | Link #13 | |
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Aria the archetype
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As a fan of the genre, and of the manga, I'm ashamed to admit I haven't watched the anime yet. :kicks self in ass: Oh! And here is a line from the special note to the reader by the mangaka at the end of the first volume of Aria. It seems pertinant to the discussion. Kozue Amano "There are so many wonderful places like this in the world. Some are exciting, and some are heartwarming. I hope some of that same kind of feeling comes through in my work." Last edited by Joojoobees; 2007-03-05 at 23:27. |
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2007-03-06, 00:47 | Link #14 |
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"heartwarming"...this reminds me that the Japanese have a genre they call "iyashii" manga and anime, which I gather translates to "heartwarming". So, what do you all think about that term and how does it fit into what we're talking about? If it does.
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2007-03-07, 15:20 | Link #16 |
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I like the slice of life anime like "Aria" and "Quiet Country Cafe". They are restful for the mind, like visiting a Japanese Garden, which I guess is kind of the point. They don't have any overarching plot beyond the lives of the charactors in them.
I really never thought of "Mushishi" as being a slice of life anime. I thought it was more like "Mermaid Forest"; a semi occult mysterious anime. Last edited by Goofus Maximus; 2007-03-07 at 15:21. Reason: adding the quotation marks |
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I guess the reason I called Mushishi 'slice of life' is because of the lack of action in it but concentrates on character development. It probably doesn't qualify as 'slice of life'.. Addressing the question from the first post: Quote:
I used to ask my sisters, "Why do you like watching a bunch of actors play out real life?" when they watched soap operas, but now I realise that they aren't. It's as if someone took real life through a filter and sieved out the 'boring' bits. Which brings me to the bits which this sieve has separated out. Slice of life! Of my friends that like anime, only one would (probably) like slice of life. I think the others expect to watch anime to provoke some extreme of emotion. Now that I've typed some.. A thought occurred to me: perhaps people don't like to watch 'Slice of Life' because they expect to watch anime as a way to escape to another world, not to see more of the same. (Hmm. Not sure which direction I'm taking, all that rhetoric just poured out..) Last edited by Manifold; 2007-03-10 at 11:56. Reason: Typos. |
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Yeah, I've been meaning to read the YKK manga myself. I'm not much of a manga reader, however, and I dislike reading things on the computer, so I haven't gotten around to it yet.
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I do think it is important to say that real artistic products are likely to blend a number of elements, so just because a story has elements of one genre doesn't mean it can't be an example of another genre as well. I think this shows up a problem with defining slice-of-life in purely negative terms ("lack of action", "de-emphising plot", "nothing really happens"). It should be possible to define slice-of-life in a positive way, so that slice-of-life elements can be identified in a story as much as any other genre indicators can be identified. I'm not going to profess a knowledge of the proper definition, but to throw some ideas on the table: "emphasis on setting", "lots of description / careful observation". Quote:
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I think your comments above, regarding the intensity of emotions provoked by other genres is an interesting idea. Ueda mentioned the notion of "heartwarming" earlier, and it does seem to be that slice-of-life is more associated with gentler emotional states (you mentioned "tranquility", yourself).
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