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Keroko · 2013-02-25, 15:46

Those creature's Cores weren't just drained, they were completely ripped out.

And that's where the difference lies. Draining allows the Core to recover, but ripping it out? That's as unhealthy as it would be for any organ.

Nanya01 · 2013-02-25, 15:48

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No? Nanoha almost lost her ability to walk because she was stabbed and mauled by one of those stealth drones. The reason overstressing her Core was part of the debate was because her constant overstressing had weakened her to the point where she couldn't react fast enough at a critical time.

That does not take away, however, that overstressing a Core is bad for the health. Like any other organ, putting too much pressure on it causes failure, and like any other organ, that means the entire body suffers as a result.

I mis-typed that. ^^;

I meant to say that Nanoha couldn't walk after getting stabbed because of the over-stressing of her linker core, going into my earlier point of the body seemingly shutting down to protect the linker core.

It's kind of like the heart, really.

If a mage/knight loses too much magic, the body shuts down so they can recover (with help of course).

If the body loses too much blood, the body shuts down so that not all the blood leaks away.

Archon_Wing · 2013-02-25, 15:48

The book would effectively be a pokedex, though I guess it does function as both.

Sansker · 2013-02-25, 18:21

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I see what you tried to say, and I also see that when running into an argument you couldn't counter, you backtracked amazingly fast. So let's stay on the subject of bodycount for a moment. What, to you, counts as a "confirmed" death? Bodies? 'cause that's all we have for the Hucks. And in that case...

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Wendi's kill count in this image alone is already 17. For one of the younger Cyborgs.

But that's.... pretty much how Nanoha's treated everyone she saved as well. And nobody's giving her any flak over it either.

Don't get me wrong, Thoma being buddy-buddy with the Hucks definitely weirds me out as well, but I keep seeing people say this is different from the other Nanoha series when it really isn't.

There is a difference between Linker Core draining and Linker Core removing. Nanoha had her core drained, but still present. Those beasts that the knights hunted had their cores removed, and none of those looked much alive.

Well… I didn’t know just making your letters bigger means you were right. I think I just need to keep my small in that case.

First no, I didn’t want to enter an argument about what we know or not know by what we see or not see in the series because that is just impossible, doesn’t matter and we really see what we want most of the time. Like that picture: They can be just unconscious I don’t even see blood in those guys. Again picture with no context I can’t tell. Also those tanks look awful. Compare that to clear decease and acknowledge dead bodies in Force is kind of pointless because we never know the fate of those bodies. And I don’t think I care.

And again, you are not looking and the execution Keroko. Nanoha at least show more brains, heart and that her efforts were not just going over people who was a complete evil. I will insist Force doesn’t do a good job on Thoma’s attitude towards the Hückebein when almost any redeemable qualities they had is because they can use it to their advantage. It is different? No, but is not in the same level of Nanoha and is a lot weirder to take this from Thoma. I am saying that this is bad executed which it is.

Also about Linker Cores I just say we haven’t see any confirm case of a mage dying because their liker cores is take out. Also nobody died in the Book of Darkness Incident in A’s, can’t say the same from the Book of the Silver Cross Incident right now and we are not even close to the end according to some people.

bhl88 · 2013-02-25, 19:15

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Also about Linker Cores I just say we haven’t see any confirm case of a mage dying because their liker cores is take out. Also nobody died in the Book of Darkness Incident in A’s

Yes, the ships didn't explode and Chrono's father got abducted, Chrono's father went overseas and Lindy didn't go: Noooo

Sansker · 2013-02-25, 19:18

To be fair that was Graham who destroyed those ships. Not the Wolkenritter. And the rest of my point still remains: the Hückebein are not like the other antagonist and Thoma’s attitude with them is really odd.

Justin_Brett · 2013-02-25, 19:34

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Well… I didn’t know just making your letters bigger means you were right. I think I just need to keep my small in that case.

...what does this mean?

Nanya01 · 2013-02-25, 19:42

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...what does this mean?

I pulled a Lex Luthor and went "WRONG!"

He still is, he just won't admit it.

fukarming · 2013-02-25, 19:44

I don't think it is whether the Wolkenritter did things as bad as the Hukes that matter at all. I think it is the presentation that is the problem. In A's after 4 episode of the Wolkenritter wrecking chaos, we have ep 5 and 6 which basically to tell us "love the Wolkdenritter!" In Force we never have the ep 5 and 6 moment of A's. They occasionally show the Hukes crack jokes at one and other but not good enough for us to love them the way we love the Wolkenritter.

I don't think it is about facts at all, it is about the feelings. We were told to like the Wolkenritter, the numbers do a 180 "after" the series, yet for force I don't even know if I am supposed to like the Hukes or not: If I am supposed to like them, I need some reason to, if I am supposed to hate them, why did Touma like them so much?

Nanya01 · 2013-02-25, 19:48

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Originally Posted by fukarming

I don't think it is whether the Wolkenritter did things as bad as the Hukes that matter at all. I think it is the presentation that is the problem. In A's after 4 episode of the Wolkenritter wrecking chaos, we have ep 5 and 6 which basically to tell us "love the Wolkdenritter!" In Force we never have the ep 5 and 6 moment of A's. They occasionally show the Hukes crack jokes at one and other but not good enough for us to love them the way we love the Wolkenritter.

THANK YOU!

I said the EXACT SAME THING 2 years ago!

I was trying to counter the bitching Aki and others were doing at the time about how much Force sucked (IIRC, Justin was a part of that as well) and pointing out that the fight, despite how LONG it was taking to complete, was basically episode 1 and 2 of A's and people should stop judging the whole series on the first freaking EPISODE!

Sansker · 2013-02-25, 19:48

I think that could be the case here but still has the fact the Hucks didn't get those kind of moments and don't show good nature at all. So I really stay there but those are the feelings they bring.

Justin_Brett · 2013-02-25, 19:52

I still think it sucks, I just got tired of arguing. We still haven't gotten that moment now, too: maybe in this month's chapter.

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I pulled a Lex Luthor and went "WRONG!"

He still is, he just won't admit it.

But he wasn't replying to that post, or even to you.

Sansker · 2013-02-25, 19:55

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I still think it sucks, I just got tired of arguing. We still haven't gotten that moment now, too: maybe in this month's chapter.

But he wasn't replying to that post, or even to you.

But he is right I was mention that thing about just using the word "wrong" in a large size like if that means how big my mistake was.

Also it does suck.

Lhklan · 2013-02-25, 20:10

Wait, hold on...
why are you guys arguing? I lost track of the reason of why it started.

Sansker · 2013-02-25, 20:25

Well it start with saying Thoma is too friendly with the Hückebein and he is being kind of an idiot about it. But then it comes out that he does just as Nanoha with the other antagonist. Then we start to compare if the Hückebein are like the other antagonist and here we are.

Akiyoshi · 2013-02-25, 20:40

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THANK YOU!

I said the EXACT SAME THING 2 years ago!

I was trying to counter the bitching Aki and others were doing at the time about how much Force sucked (IIRC, Justin was a part of that as well) and pointing out that the fight, despite how LONG it was taking to complete, was basically episode 1 and 2 of A's and people should stop judging the whole series on the first freaking EPISODE!

My sincere apologiez i was too blind and biased back then by the S-incident xDU I'm still quite biased now but i started to like some parts of FORCE and while i still think it's pretty mediocre compared with past seasons i'm still eager to see what's gonna happen on the next chapters with Curren's plan, Hardis and the Grendels xD

And totally agreed with fukarming, so far i'm still lost about why i'm supossed to like the Hucks, i mean i like Curren for being ultrabadass but that's pretty much all i can say in their favor xDU

Justin_Brett · 2013-02-25, 20:43

Yeah, it sucked back then when you were completely blind to logic and reason about Signum.

Not like now, though.

Keroko · 2013-02-26, 04:08

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I still think it sucks, I just got tired of arguing. We still haven't gotten that moment now, too: maybe in this month's chapter.

Doubtful. So far the story hasn't tried to make the Hucks sympathetic in the same way as the Wolkenritter, where we kind of wanted them to win even though it was a bad thing because we felt for Hayate.

Rather, they've taken the road of the cyborgs, where they do evil things but we do kind of see where they're coming from and how few choices they have in the matter. I think it will follow that route more, where the Hucks are eventually shown the error of their ways and return to the light.

I mean, they gave the Hucks a loli. Third rule of Nanoha: The side with the loli cannot be completely evil.

Justin_Brett · 2013-02-26, 09:05

Two of them, maybe.

At least one will have character beyond that archetype.

Keroko · 2013-02-26, 10:21

Stella's pretty much confirmed due to her loli status.

Arnage's a pretty safe bet too.

Deville and Fortis we know little about. However with the former being a Zafira in all but name, and the later preferring to chase of the TSAB rather than just obliterate them then and there, those two stand a chance as well.

Veyron is the stereotypical "Look at me being all cool while doing morally questionable things" character. Those almost always turn over a new leaf.

Curren is... a wild card, but as the person with the plan and the most killing restraint shown of any infected bar Thoma, still a decent chance at redemption.

Which leaves Cypha, who has been enjoying her situation quite readily all things considered, and Sonica, who we know very little about so far.

Or so I like to believe.

2013-02-25, 19:18	Link #7526
Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	To be fair that was Graham who destroyed those ships. Not the Wolkenritter. And the rest of my point still remains: the Hückebein are not like the other antagonist and Thoma’s attitude with them is really odd. __________________

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fukarming Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009	I don't think it is whether the Wolkenritter did things as bad as the Hukes that matter at all. I think it is the presentation that is the problem. In A's after 4 episode of the Wolkenritter wrecking chaos, we have ep 5 and 6 which basically to tell us "love the Wolkdenritter!" In Force we never have the ep 5 and 6 moment of A's. They occasionally show the Hukes crack jokes at one and other but not good enough for us to love them the way we love the Wolkenritter. I don't think it is about facts at all, it is about the feelings. We were told to like the Wolkenritter, the numbers do a 180 "after" the series, yet for force I don't even know if I am supposed to like the Hukes or not: If I am supposed to like them, I need some reason to, if I am supposed to hate them, why did Touma like them so much? __________________ They came first for sharks fin,I didn't speak up because I don't eat sharks fin. Then they came for foie gras,I didn't speak up because I don't eat foie gras. Then they came for Toro (bluefin tuna) sushi,I didn't speak up because I don't eat sushi. Then they came for me and force me to be a vegan by that time no one was left to speak up.

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Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	I think that could be the case here but still has the fact the Hucks didn't get those kind of moments and don't show good nature at all. So I really stay there but those are the feelings they bring. __________________

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Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	Well it start with saying Thoma is too friendly with the Hückebein and he is being kind of an idiot about it. But then it comes out that he does just as Nanoha with the other antagonist. Then we start to compare if the Hückebein are like the other antagonist and here we are. __________________

2013-02-25, 15:46	Link #7521
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	Those creature's Cores weren't just drained, they were completely ripped out. And that's where the difference lies. Draining allows the Core to recover, but ripping it out? That's as unhealthy as it would be for any organ.

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Lhklan The Unpronounceable Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Clock Tower	Wait, hold on... why are you guys arguing? I lost track of the reason of why it started.

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Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	Yeah, it sucked back then when you were completely blind to logic and reason about Signum. Not like now, though.

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Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	Two of them, maybe. At least one will have character beyond that archetype.

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Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	Stella's pretty much confirmed due to her loli status. Arnage's a pretty safe bet too. Deville and Fortis we know little about. However with the former being a Zafira in all but name, and the later preferring to chase of the TSAB rather than just obliterate them then and there, those two stand a chance as well. Veyron is the stereotypical "Look at me being all cool while doing morally questionable things" character. Those almost always turn over a new leaf. Curren is... a wild card, but as the person with the plan and the most killing restraint shown of any infected bar Thoma, still a decent chance at redemption. Which leaves Cypha, who has been enjoying her situation quite readily all things considered, and Sonica, who we know very little about so far. Or so I like to believe.