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All in all, while I'm not opposed to the idea of adding some additional theme options for people to choose from (and I like the idea of a mobile skin/design), I hope that people will be attracted to this site for the quality of the discussion, not just because of a snappy modern design.
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If a site is unable or is hard to have a specific flow of updates coming and going if they want them to, it just comes to a lot of rejections of new ideas, those coming from Members and Staff alike. Expanding the horizon of what you can do is crucial for sites with overall high activity. Quote:
I think it would be quite the opposite, due to the beige color in general showing off classic, elegance, ... And it all just doesn't fit with how everything has thin lines, sharp 90 degree corners, ... But then again, that is my personal opinion. I'm just trying to express what people nowadays would probably want and what they wouldn't be so pleased to see when hearing the keywords "Anime" and "Forums" and then seeing the current default theme. Quote:
There are already many awesome themes out there, the issue might come when trying to upload them on the site because of the vBulletin. Could you try uploading a theme called Scaped v4 for a test? I could get the theme. Quote:
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2013-05-11, 12:14 | Link #23 | |
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2013-05-11, 17:13 | Link #24 | |
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Most plugins are not being released for such versions any more, plus, the forums are practically using quite a lot of features this version has to offer already. Comparing with new versions, that is not really a lot, but still has the crucial parts. You first need a core platform on which you can run various things with a flow, regardless on how big those things are. I honestly do not think it is members' fault for many ideas and suggestions being rejected when the reason for rejection is: "We are currently unable to pull that off/It would be hard for us to currently to pull that off". |
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2013-05-11, 23:17 | Link #25 | |
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If there's anything that's important enough, we could build it even on this vBulletin 3 platform. There are actually still a ton of plug-ins for this software because it's still actively in use in a lot of places not just here. But, we also have our own specific plug-ins and customizations that aren't necessarily compatible with other plug-ins, and everything requires testing and validation. These existing customizations were made at the request of the forum members and because one or more of the members of the staff was convinced enough that it was worth the effort that they put in the time to get it done. So anyway, there are a lot of reasons why requested changes aren't approved, and being on vBulletin 3 is only one part of it. It's certainly not the only thing, or even the main thing, stopping a change from being approved. It is, however, enough of a deterrent to making changes where the benefit is perceived to be minimal or arbitrary.
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2013-05-12, 07:58 | Link #26 | |||
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However, I can assure you that having a better starting source and platform will allow you to put less effort in when trying to update/add something new and by that put more suggestions that get mass-support into action, even those that are not so crucial and necessary. It would be nice to have it possible for suggestions that get quite a lot of support by the community to be in-put, even if they are not really top priority. I don't want to be stubborn about these kind of things here, I'm just saying that a good starting core could make the future maintaining and changes much faster and easier to be done, or even be done in the first place. Quote:
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I understand, I just hope that in the future, AS Forums will go more with the flow. By that I do not mean that every suggestion should be made real, but to even have the ability that if you would want to actually in-put that suggestion, reason for that being anything, you would be able to do so and not put that much effort in it (Unless, of course, we are speaking of a bigger-than-usual change). |
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2013-05-12, 09:56 | Link #27 | |||
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lol where, that forum with ~400 users? |
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2013-05-12, 14:29 | Link #28 | ||||
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Also, I'll say this only once, so listen carefully. I have said that this is a discussion thread, meaning that I open up possibilities to which members of the community post their opinions on, I do not want things done directly. If you disagree, fine. If there are draw-backs, fine. Say so, but don't be aggressive if someone is just sharing ideas. Quote:
Once again, I am opening up a discussion with my threads, not demanding changes. As for trying to become a part of the Staff, I haven't really thought about that, but I did want and still do want to add links to unlicensed anime episodes' torrents (Have already had a chat about that). Anyhow, that is my personal thing and is off-topic. On short, I'm not trying to look sweet in front of the Admins. Quote:
There are many other Forums out there and summing all their pluses together may give you an idea of something that you could upgrade. This site likes to focus only on most needed updates, but multiple of small ones could bring an overall good something. Quote:
Also, FYI, no. The Forums are bigger than these ones. Last edited by Haiprbim; 2013-05-13 at 06:54. |
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2013-05-12, 18:02 | Link #29 |
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My last line was probably too harsh, as I know building a community can be very time consuming and challenging to say the least, so I'm sorry about that, and good luck...
However, some of your comments here have an arrogant tone and you seem to be coming off a litte pretentious. I'm pretty sure the staff here know what they're capable of and what upgrades/customizations are worth implementing and/or rolling out. I know, you say you are merely making "suggestions", but telling them what to keep in mind, when they've maintained this community all this time sounds a bit pompous to me. I'm sure they rolled out several updates/plugins for this site even if it doesn't seem that snazzy and web 2.0-like. They're obviously more concerned with utility rather than asthetics, and given that they're only running this with their spare time, I'd say thats fair. |
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Yeah, they probably know what they are capable of upgrading/changing on their own site, but they are not Gods, and do not know for every single change that could be done. After hearing about the idea, they can best judge whether to include it or not (that is to be expected), but they do have to hear the idea first. Even if the idea is rejected at first, I try to see how much possibility is there that it could still be included in the future, and that was the whole discussion on this thread + of course, the community members' opinion(s) sharing. In the end, the only one that had something off-topic and breaking to say was you (Not meant in an aggressive way). Here, I'd like to end our discussion like it was just now and if you have any subjective point to add, please, send me a PM about it. Let's keep this discussion clean and on-topic, okay? I'll say this now, if any of the Admins and other Staff feels like I should stop with suggesting, or trying to dig a bit more after doing so, please, do PM me about it. I won't take it as a negative message, I only want to know so I'll be able to take your time/stand in the account for the next time. Last edited by Haiprbim; 2013-05-13 at 07:09. |
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2013-05-13, 13:06 | Link #31 | ||
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About knowing what they're capable of and what changes are worth the effort? ..the comments in this thread (and others) deciding against your suggestions implies otherwise.
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According to ghdpro, moving to the current vbulletin at this time isn't a good idea. He and relentlessflame also mentioned the importance of work being worth the effort. ...You then suggest they write their own forum software, which would call for even more effort than the upgrade. According to relentlessflame they have many custom plugins specific to the site that complicates changes(which were already deemed not worth the effort at this time). ...You then ask him to upload scaped v4. I actually agree that a more modern look would be nice, but again, I think the multiple reasons given for why they're not upgrading yet are quite fair, especially considering this is run from their free time. Your suggestions might be much easier to implement on the boards you actually "mod" , but for a much larger and far older board like this with many custom plugins, seemingly simple upgrades can become quite the chore. |
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2013-05-13, 13:35 | Link #32 |
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Both GHDpro and I agreed that we're not opposed to having a new theme be added, and I also said that I'd like better mobile support (because I agree from first-hand experience that the default skins we have are a bit annoying on mobile devices right now). That's already two admins expressing nominal support, so it's not like the core suggestions have been shot down. I suggest focusing on the battles that can be won.
But, just saying that isn't going to make it happen. A lot of scepticism has been raised about just what sort of design would be an improvement over what we have now. Even if it's made available as an option, it would have to still keep the same top-bar we're using now so that it's compatible with our banner contests and the other themes. This limits the design choices in some way (because the banners were designed to work with the current blue and beige themes). Basically, someone has to propose a design concept would be suitable as a third AnimeSuki theme (or at least the elements they'd like to see included in such a design), and a way to make it happen, considering it'll probably remain on vBulletin 3.8.x for the time-being.
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Now, as for the mobile-friendly system, I think it is something forums nowadays more or less all have, so in-putting it would not be something really special but it would be very wanted. Also, I'd like to note the readers/posters on this thread that if you have a branch-idea to express alongside the main idea, such as the mobile-friendly system, you are very welcome to post it. However, for any other suggestion(s) that has/have no relation to this one, please, create a new thread and say there that you think it/they should have a higher priority than this one. Quote:
Currently, you've been saying how things would be capable of being added right now, but how about in the future? You've repeated yourself quite a lot of times that the update(s) will be included only if the gain fits or oversizes the effort put into it. Well, everything improves over the time, and so does the overall ability of making and then in-puting certain updates/content. My point here: I think we should focus on the mobile-friendly system first. Reason being is that the system more or less works on any version of the forums, and it doesn't really change in newer versions. Now, the theme might be a little bit different. Themes are things that we add and want to make them stay for some time. You've said: Quote:
I think that the newer version of vBulletin, even if that is the 6th one, should come first. That is if the version itself effects the in-putting of the theme much. Summing that up: As the themes are something we want to stay for some more time, upgrading to the newer version of vBulletin first would be great, even if it happens in 5 years or not even that. Reason for that is just what you have listed down - the banners, sizes, ... could get corrupted along the way. However, if a certain someone is willing to make a new theme for the current version and then later update the theme at the time the forums version upgrade would happen, it would be just grand. We would just need that certain someone. Quote:
You can already access it by going to the Main Index Page, scrolling all the way down and looking at the options on the left-bottom corner. By default, you have it set on AnimeSuki Default, but you can change to AnimeSuki Blue. You can also pick between differently organized data-showing. If you meant the theme not to have blue as the main color, I would have to agree. We already have it, plus IMHO, it is not that attractive. |
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2013-05-14, 21:10 | Link #36 |
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Haiprbim, you'd really help your argument here if you'd show us an example of this new, improved theme/skin (i.e. either through posting up a screen capture on this thread, or linking to a site that uses what you're referring to).
Ledgem is right. Him and I weren't being defensive here. I also don't think that the mods are being defensive. We're not trying to lure you into some sort of trap. We're genuinely curious to see what you're suggesting. When you promote a visual change, its helpful to show the goods. Ledgem - Show us the money. Triple_R - I agree. Show us the money! So, Haiprbim, are you going to show us the money? I am fully prepared to be wowed! Wow me, and you win my support. Here's your chance.
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Considering most of the regulars over the years still are regulars they must have gotten used to the current skins and also all the features and are plenty satisfied with the site. The staff should be fully aware of the traffic it gets. There's the possibility that any changes might actually make the place less interesting. No need to fix something that isn't broken, right?
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As for the theme screen capture, I haven't made one and will not steal one from other forums either. We would need a GFX Designer to make one, I was only pointing out a suggestion to add a new one, more colourful and energetic one in the first place. I think you are just yet another one who doesn't understand that I only opened up an idea through which we may advance or not. I do not have the theme and am not demanding it to be added, I only wanted to share this idea for reasons being in my previous posts and read what the community thinks about it, what the community has to add and in the end, see where we stand and how things could change in the future. I'm not the center of the attention here, only someone that brought up an idea and shared his own opinion about it. Now, if the text below the line is referring to me, I never said that anyone was being defensive? I never even thought about any trap over here, so I seriously do not think what you were trying to suggest here. Also, I said multiple times that we would need to find a kind GFX Designer as the last thing we would need, so it makes me wonder if you have even read the thread, because you have stated some sharp things over me that are not true at all. For example, I understand Ledgem's point completely and do not see him being defensive, only expressing his opinion. Anyhow, the main focus was far from that right now: It was if the theme could be possibly included in the future, regardless if we would have one ready to be set or not. Quote:
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My suggestion is not about a fix of any kind, but attraction of new members to the forums. The current theme with the skins would be kept and you could keep on using them if you would want to, but to attract new members, a new, more energetic theme would be great. Members come and go, and it is great to see old ones still active, but it would also be great to see new ones set their tent as well, wouldn't you agree? Again, the current theme with the skins would be kept, so nothing would be taken from you and other members that got used to it. Last edited by Haiprbim; 2013-05-15 at 06:34. |
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Plus more importantly (and said by other people), what makes you think that a new theme actually has that kind of desired effect? Just a new theme won't attract new members, because people actually have to come to this site to see the themes. You can't be sure that the effort put into all of this , is even worth it. Add the extra problem that you don't even have a graphic designer. Realistically speaking, you have nothing concrete because you don't have a graphic designer nor anything to show. Quote:
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