2013-06-27, 15:24 | Link #61 | |
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kishi exhausted obito enough to the point where kakashi+ deternimatio-no-jutsu would actually have an effect on him, i saw the final scene as a "oh shit... that hurt more than i thought it would, fuck kk better go recharge" and madara was like "nah" but ulimately, in any sort of normal fight of obito vs kakashi, obito would demolish kakashi and even kishi knows that
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2013-06-27, 17:29 | Link #63 |
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I think that one aspect of the fight, Obito vs Kakashi,that some are not considering are the emotional factors.Funny because these things are often brought up and even poked fun at right here on this forum.Think about what was going on before Obito took Kakashi into the dimension.Think about the things he was saying to Naruto and how Naruto would respond.And even Madara questioned why he cared to hear what the brat Naruto was saying.Then remember how this story repeats the scenarios.
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2013-06-27, 17:40 | Link #64 | |||||
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Of course it's not if we look at Tobito's best moments, but when i look at the other side of him, the loser side, i fail to see him as a super-villain. It's subjective of course.
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The author could even defend this stupid outcome by explaining that by this time Tobito's thinking was somewhat messed up by Kakashi's speech and he simply tried to phase but forgot that they are already in his private dimension and failed. Or one could be completely rational and realize that both his character and his power is complete nonsense. For example he uses the 10 minutes izanagi against Konan, and we know he has hundreds of eyes. So why doesn't he use it to easily beat and collect both the 8 and 9 tails. Being rational would be a painful experience |
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2013-06-27, 19:44 | Link #65 | |
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2013-06-28, 01:34 | Link #66 |
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the bottom line of the whole discussion is that obito was a super villain. when he first got MS (without any practice or experience) he annihilated that entire squad of mist ninja using mokuton primarily. it makes no sense that he wouldn't be worlds better than that by now and that he didnt use mokuton vs kakashi. obito should be >>>>> kakashi whether or not he could use kamui, which he should have been able to use anyway. and if danzo could use multiple sharingans for izanagi then i dont see why obito couldnt
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2013-06-28, 11:38 | Link #68 | |
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Obito wants the Eye if the Moon plan to work so there would be eternal peace and no situation like with Rin could ever occur again. If Obito was going to be redeemed and turn on Madara, the seeds would of been planted during the Kakashi fight. But they weren't. Now he is being torn apart and about to die to give life to Madara. He is going to die believing a lie. |
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2013-06-28, 13:38 | Link #69 | |
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so basically when tobi said he wanted to be complete, he was quoting jerry mcguire and having rin in a phony world would complete him... |
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2013-06-28, 14:30 | Link #70 | |
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Now Tobito can experience before anyone else how great it will be to live in a world where Madara is the god BTW i think Tobito failing against Kakashi is a lesser plot hole than Tobito the master manipulator failing to anticipate that Madara was prepared to take control of his body in case things go wrong. But actually it would be funny if with his last bit of power he switched the revival target from Madara to Rin and we would have a clueless 12-14 year old Rin in the middle of the greatest world war Not for me. Sure in the beginning there was the possibility that he will become, but then Kishi began to slowly deconstruct him. All the plot holes around him, not only his power but also his character. If he were the real Madara he would have effortlessly beaten Konan despite the trap she set up, thus establishing his super-villain status. But Kishi let her almost explode him, and he lost an arm, part of his mask and an eye. Then Kabuto forced him to make an alliance. Etc... And in the end we learned that he is just the good old Obito gone crazy over the loss of a girl. In the end there's place only for one super-villain in this war and more than ever it seems to be Madara. ( I don't see how this war could become interesting/dramatic/epic again if Madara does not seal the 10-tails into himself, sure he is very powerful even as an Edo Tensei but when he must fight everybody he needs another powerup to be scary again). Last edited by Ero-Senn1n; 2013-06-28 at 14:48. |
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2013-06-28, 15:45 | Link #71 | |
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obito was careless with his zetsu body because he knew it didn't matter and he could replace it. he chopped his own arm off vs torune like it was nothing (which it essentially was. which makes kakashi stabbing him to death all the more nonsensical but whatever lol). konan took a lot of time setting up an enormous trap for him. just him surviving that is a marvel. and like always he carelessly waltzed into it because he knew he could survive almost anything with izanagi's help before hand. anything but a raikiri of course... that fight against konan wasn't about killing her. it was about getting information. if obito wanted to just kill her, he could have in a nano-second. i also dont think kabuto forced him to do anything. obito forced him to teach him edo-tensei and then he used kabuto's army to his advantage (particularly the gold and silver brothers and madara). obito didnt lose anything by joining up with kabuto |
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2013-06-28, 17:51 | Link #72 | |
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2013-06-28, 19:07 | Link #73 | |||
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haha, i mean the current super-villain. Sure they change as time passes, escpecially in such shonen manga where there's so much power inflation. I remember when Orochi was the big bad
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He tried to kill Kabuto immedately, Kabuto first summoned the akatsuki on him to force him to negotiate and then he summoned Madara to force him to make the deal. I didn't say that Kabuto was stronger, although i was more impressed with his performance in this war after all. In the end this deal was better for Tobito, but we saw how Kabuto wanted to capure Bee and Naruto to use them against Tobito. So the whole war was a mess for Tobi, he didn't seem to be in control of what happens. |
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2013-06-28, 23:50 | Link #77 |
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Obito was like "Kakashi join me in happy happy joy joy land" Kakashi was like "i hate new Obito, you must die!". Obito wasn't trying to kill Kakashi,he wanted to and probably did save him by going into the dimension and leaving him there.
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2013-06-29, 08:25 | Link #79 |
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RIP Obito(later) considering the possibilities that he might die by Madara`s 'jutsu'. Madara, we all know that he`s cruel(more of a bit tyrant. Using your subordinate as your pawn, I`m disgusted with that kind of thinking) and arrogant.
The fight is really B-O-R-I-N-G! I was expecting a good fight, not that. Obito is now an emo LOL, so die slowly and scream when anyone could have placed an Izanami on you *lets out a sadistic grin* Jeez, what would happen next? Someone dies (Obito, maybe?)as a sacrifice for that inhuman jutsu or something else? I really hope it was of something interesting
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2013-06-29, 11:17 | Link #80 |
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as a fake what? obito used kamui to escape all sorts of unfavorable situations throughout the manga. i wouldn't blame him for fleeing from an edo tensei army consisting of 5 former akatsuki members and madara. nobody could fight that. which is why kabuto was basically invincible, but that's another illogical story all together
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