2012-12-03, 15:42 | Link #121 | |
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Regarding Iraq rebuilding .. oh boy oh boy. I think you're missing the forest for the trees. Do you know who is one of the most worst off for all those rebuilding contracts? The U.S. government. Do you know how much funding went into the rebuilding of the war-torn country from the U.S?? Over $51 billion. The U.S. government was massively defrauded by those contractors. Let alone expenses for the war -- estimated at over $1 trillion ($3 trillion overall economic impact) it was a terrible investment. Even the Brits spent over $20 billion in expenditures and they barely participated. Anyways, people can say what they want on numerous topics, and I won't bat an eye -- I'll admit I'm not well-versed in every and all topics. But I'm pretty wary about people delving into the financial markets, economics or the political-economic sphere.. Outlook remains uncertain |
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2012-12-03, 15:46 | Link #122 | |
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It is like a failed bank robber, arrested and forced to pay compensation to the teller lady he injured in the robbery-but does not change the fact he entered with the intend to ROB. |
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2012-12-03, 15:53 | Link #123 | |
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Your responses and queries are my exact fear. Economics is often a key issue in politics and therefore is easily manipulated for it's use. The lack of mental separation of the two topics creates massive domestic problems as we've seen and will continue to see. (Look at real and nominal growth inflation rates in China and the situation in the U.S.) The application of a doctrine that does not separate those two on a global scale will result in massive international problems. Anyways: Back to Chinese Boats -- Vietnam state oil company says Chinese fishing boats cut cables being laid by seismic survey vessel http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/...756/story.html Outlook is negative |
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2012-12-03, 15:58 | Link #124 | |
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2012-12-03, 16:10 | Link #125 |
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With the Indians potentially getting involved in the South China Sea, this could up things even more.
The Indian Navy has 1 very old 1950s era British aircraft carrier (though not that much older than USS Enterprise), 15 submarines (one nuclear), 8 destroyers, 15 frigates, and 24 corvettes. Plus a number of assualt ships, patrol craft, and minesweepers. They have three carriers under construction to come out in the next ten years or so. One the former Soviet carrier that has been completely rebuilt, and two Indian built carriers due in 2017 and 2022. The Chinese Army Navy has about three times the number of surface ships and about four times the number of submarines. Both have just one carrier, and the Indian one has experiance on its side.
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2012-12-03, 16:15 | Link #126 | |
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China offering to buy oil assets from Canada should also elicit a response that considers factors beyond economics. It should factor in strategic considerations. It's that simple. In your crazy example: If the U.S. ever sent us a threatening letter saying they want our oilsands for nominal consideration, we'd have to figure out a response - petition NATO, find allies, determine cost of conflict, apply political pressure, negotiate in the best interests of the nation, etc etc. Strategic considerations. Side Bar -- Your thinking still seems to be of an Imperialistic standpoint. Point is, the U.S. would actually never do it. In a modern world, conquering a place to secure assets isn't economically feasible -- what do you think happened to Spain's economy with the influx of South American gold? Second Side Bar -- I don't want to get in to this on a thread like this, but what do you think Economics and Capitalism even is? They are respectively: 1) A study and discipline on the allocation of scarce resources and 2) It's fundamentally just a crowdsourcing mechanism to allocate the productive capacity of a society. It's efficient and inefficient in different ways and has certain flaws and weaknesses. Why do states tax companies in the first place? Heck, why do corporations have a mandate to earn profits? Think on this, do the research, we can continue these conversations in private if necessary. Reply hazy, ask again later |
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2012-12-03, 16:33 | Link #127 |
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I guess willx is more interested in white washing what happened in Iraq, because he learned to see himself as hero and liberator (because of the propa... uhm patriotic media landscape). Can you imagine how horrible that is, when you realize that the liberator image does not quite match the reality? You start to search for excuses. You try to find worse examples to make yourself feel better. At some point you will say I am not part of that but I love my country. remark: Now, of course that is just sarcasm on my part. I hope noone really thinks like that of willx - its easy to misunderstand each other because of talking at cross-purposes - coloring the others words with our own bias.
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2012-12-03, 16:39 | Link #128 | |
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There are no "good guys" in this world my friend. Anyone that thinks of themselves as one is fooling themselves. Now that I've been accused of something that is impossible for me to actually be - I will make my exit. Reply hazy, ask again later |
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2012-12-03, 16:51 | Link #129 | |
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Okay, short explanation: I just exagerated the image someone might have of you. At the same time I willingly falsified your nationality to give it more punch (sorry for that).
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I would be more concerned if BP brought the oil than COCC....after all, China don't have a track record of regime change if the local government impose labor laws. Quote:
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2012-12-03, 17:12 | Link #131 | |
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Anyways, we've strayed dangerously off topic, and now I'm being questioned intellectually and professionally about a field in which I studied and am currently employed in .. and people tell me I'm a professional in. Right. OK. So as I said I was going to exit, I leave this that Ithkero mentioned earlier (and was similarly mentioned in another thread): Indian navy prepared to deploy to South China Sea to protect oil interests http://news.yahoo.com/indian-navy-pr...140347282.html Outlook remains uncertain |
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2012-12-03, 17:16 | Link #132 |
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My two cents in this is that no one, and I mean NO ONE, should have ever made business with the PRC after what happened in 1989 at Tiananmen Square. The Tiananmen incidents should have been the last straw and the perfect excuse for everyone to cut all diplomatic and business ties with PRC as much as everything was shut down with the Apartheid oppressing blacks in the 1970s... the perfect proof that nothing is gained from doing business with such government until the prople overthrow it by all means.
The West might have created a monster, but I wouldn't mind stopping global trade in the sense that the PRC can still be isolated while business is done elsewhere. Follow the German model (where most things are not made in China at all over there) and everything should be fine. By the way, screw Stephen Harper for selling those oil fields to China! This piece of trash should be beaten to oblivion for what he did to Canada. |
2012-12-03, 17:35 | Link #133 | |
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Then the world has to cut ties to Israel Korea (SOUTH) Taiwan India Pakistan Russia Ukraine Saudis Brahain Bruhma And that is just top of my head a list of countries that used the army to crush internal opposition. Tell me which one of those are "Isolated" The west is just sour grapes because 1) China since then turned it self around from a fail state to superpower. 2) America installed and backed the wrong murderous dictator and failed. |
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2012-12-04, 03:03 | Link #134 | |
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Was that last line sarcasm, or are you waving a red flag....here? I'm hoping for the former.
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2012-12-04, 09:26 | Link #135 | |
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Sumagi claimed PLA have their own source of revenue that is "independent" of the state. And thus they can go rogue and fuck around with the world with no oversight. I simply pointed out in order to be independent of a budget 160 billion (and that is the paranoid estimate of the Pentagon), PLA would need corporations capable of generating revenues to match Google, Microsoft, Apple, Goldman Saches, Boeing, and the entire U.S military defense complex. Those little two dime companies wouldn't hold up water to that idea...at all. If the PLA is really such an amazing money generator to match the crown jewels of the U.S technology, investment and military industries COMBINED, they clearly we ought be investing in them.... |
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2012-12-04, 10:05 | Link #138 | |
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You are the guy who claimed Everbright and those companies are PLA fronts, and all I brought up was Huawei, which is currently getting an hard-on by the Republicans, claiming them to be some kind of spy network because their founder was a former PLA engineer. You throw out random names and rumors, I come back after reading their actual history and in certain cases, financial filling at stock exchanges. So come on man! Bring out more companies of suspected PLA money generators. We can have a economical analysis of their feasibly right here on the spot. |
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2012-12-04, 10:14 | Link #139 |
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If you can't see the point of what I'm saying (PLA is not as dependent on the government to the extent of most militaries, and has leverage to be semi-autonomous) and insist on some "economical analysis" in comparing incomparable entities while not taking into consideration the social-political factors, then there is no use in talking to you. Everything I said is laid out, so try thinking.
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2012-12-04, 10:16 | Link #140 | ||
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Should I start suggesting U.S Government is beholden to Martians based on Area-51 cover ups? Also, U.S military are known for selling weapons to murders, rapists and kidnappers. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair |
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