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View Poll Results: Madoka Magica - Episode 09 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 92 | 52.27% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 36 | 20.45% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 29 | 16.48% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 12 | 6.82% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 4 | 2.27% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.57% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 2 | 1.14% | |
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2011-03-03, 21:53 | Link #101 |
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QB's exposition, kind of ruined the episode for me. Dunno, it might be again troll-subs, since my japansese are nowhere near understanding such long-winded sentences; but he sounded just silly to the point of acting out-of-character.
Also it's a shame Sayaka infected Kyouko with her silly ideals and dragged her with her to a pointless death... not even compensating for the universal entropy issue |
2011-03-03, 21:55 | Link #102 | |
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So, I'm sure he'd sucker some people who don't remember basic chemistry/physics into enough of a panic to volunteer their life. |
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2011-03-03, 21:57 | Link #103 | |||
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Although actually, knowing QB, it'd be more like: "Okay, now I have an organ that circulates blood, so what?" You'd have to phrase it as: "I wish you knew what it was like to be a human being!" Quote:
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2011-03-03, 22:00 | Link #104 |
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Just finished the episode. For some reason I didn't like this episode as much as man yof the previous, but still pretty good nonetheless 8/10.
Some comments.... -- So it seems Kyube is operating for what he calls "the greater" good of the universe by combating entropy. However, at the same time he goes around clearly deceiving the girls, manipulating their emotions so they end up contracting and eventually turning into witches. If we look at this situation with cold logic, and take Kyube's information at face value (Though he has zero credibility at this point), then we could say that he is simply acting for the good of his species. However, the good of his species is not necessarily the good for our species. Under human values in general, his actions are wrong, and undeniably evil. ------ Kyoko pretty much rage quitted the life of a magical girl. Sayaka's naivety rubbed off on her, and led her to her own demise. I can't knock her for her beliefs, but sacrificing one's self is never the answer. --- Poor Homura can't catch a break. She constantly gives warnings, and tries to stop people from taking foolish actions, but time and time again, they fail to listen to her. She's often accused of not being human, to which she replies she is not, but clearly she is emotional inside based upon the tears last episode and the way she reacted to Kyoko's death. Everything right now is pointing towards the first scene of this anime being a glimpse of the future. That conversation almost fits perfectly for the situation they're about to be in. --- Madoka clearly just doesn't get it. She needs to have more self-respect, to value her self. Homura said all the right words to her last episode, but she still pays no heeds. It's unfortunate. ----
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2011-03-03, 22:02 | Link #105 | |
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2011-03-03, 22:10 | Link #106 |
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Anyone else feel like maybe Kyubey's parting shot at Madoka was a guilt-trip?
Like, "If you ever feel like your life isn't more important than saving the universe, call me"? That might explain why she was asking Kyoko if she thought she was a coward. |
2011-03-03, 22:16 | Link #107 | |
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2011-03-03, 22:19 | Link #108 | |
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But, that's just me being tongue-in-cheek. She's clearly not that stupid (that rich school did her some good here!), shown clearly when she told QB in despair that it was a silly reason for Sayaka/Mami dying. So, to answer your question, she clearly knows she's been passively standing on the sidelines all this time. She doesn't know what she can do, which is why when Kyoko offers this bit of hope, she grasps it. However, it must have compounded her feelings of inadequacy that she didn't even think of it herself, hence the coward question. |
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2011-03-03, 22:30 | Link #109 | |
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I hope we don't get any love & friendship ending, it's SHAFT X Urobuchi Gen afterall, it should be adult, bleak and nihilistic Not really, still they have not done much with Madoka's family, her parents, and especially her mother have a great potential for Walpurgis Nacht victims |
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2011-03-03, 22:38 | Link #110 | |
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So it is a fact that QB knows he is screwing the girls over with his contracts, he just doesn't care. Because nothing matters as long as he gets his contract. He had done this often enough to see a pattern by now.
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2011-03-03, 22:40 | Link #111 |
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This episode reminds me the premise of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Of course, the novel is meant to be humorous. Nevertheless, the aliens don't give a d**n to Earthlings if Earthlings are in the alien's way for their objectives x_X.
In the end, one gets the choice make a nasty action humorous or into a tragedy. |
2011-03-03, 22:43 | Link #112 |
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My take on QB's explanation: its quite possible entropy is becoming a problem in the universe because his race and the countless other races in the universe are making it a problem. I think that QB's race is sucking the universe dry and is trying to rectify that to survive by using little girls like reactors. Heck, the defeated grief seeds are like used up nuclear waste. So far, we have not seen QB straight out lie; has only left out bits he felt were "unimportant" at the time. Of course he'd tell about the entropy and not give the reason why its become as bad as it is.
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2011-03-03, 22:45 | Link #113 | |
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* Granted, last one did not turn out good for Sayaka, but she is only to blame for being a stupid idealist, while in fact she was just selfish, therefore becoming a witch, unlike the other two, who at least died truthful to their nature. |
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2011-03-03, 22:46 | Link #114 | |
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Ume-sensei. Now I really, really hate you.
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2011-03-03, 22:46 | Link #115 | |
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"wavering girl Madoka Magica "廃怯" (hai-kyou, cowardice, hesitation) |
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2011-03-03, 22:48 | Link #116 | |
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Hardly matters when QB acknowledges that humans reproduce at an astounding rate.
Being the only species to have self-sustaining capabilities, this means that if not for their self-serving influence, humans would end up being the majority of sentient beings. Since they have the sense of self-preservation, then they can't go on about not understanding the self-preservation actions of humans. Quote:
It's a two-way street. If they're allowed to sacrifice humans then humans can make the same decision as well. If Madoka really goes magical in this story, I'd love for her to go that route. Well, I suppose if Madoka's able to wish entropy away altogether and stop everything it'd be nice but somehow I don't think it'll be that easy. |
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2011-03-03, 22:49 | Link #117 | |
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2011-03-03, 22:50 | Link #118 | |
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To whom? QB knows that no Magical Girl was ever pleased about the truth concerning the soul gem. So the only reason he refuses to mention it to fresh victims, was because he knows it would affect his ability to get contracts. Only important information are left out. That's why they are left out; because to screw people over, you need to tell only the nice bits of the story. You know, like how every girl QB ever contracted have either been killed or became Witches. It's like finding out that every patient who visited a certain doctor have all died, or that every business who borrowed money from a certain bank have all gone bankrupt. It is important information.
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2011-03-03, 22:53 | Link #119 | |
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Utilitarianism doesn't justify Kyubey's actions. When you're trying to do the greatest amount of good for the greatest number of people, you need to definine what you mean by good. Historically, people who invoke utilitarianism have used happiness as the foundation for this.
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Even when only considering problems involving humans, deciding how to add together and value different peoples' preferences and emotions is a fundamental weakness of utilitarianism. Evaluating the emotional effect of an action on someone with a different personality or different values is really difficult. This is even more ridiculous when when we're trying to somehow figure out the net happiness, will, preference, (or whatever metric we decide on) of all of the individuals in all the species of the universe, many of which have completely incompatible value systems, types of emotion, and ways in which they experience life. Since Kyubey's race is incapable of emotion, the argument could be made that they should not be included in the happiness calculus of utilitarianism at all. Utilitarianism might work when you're considering a handful of similar people, but not on a universal, multispecies scale like this. Furthermore, trying to apply utilitarianism on a cosmic timescale is even more ridiculous. Utilitarianism depends completely on the outcome of the actions in question (the end justifies the means). There's absolutely no way to predict what that might be in this case. On any reasonable scale, this might be a nitpicky complaint, but I think this "butterfly effect" argument holds water in this case. We can't rely strongly on gut instinct or assumptions based on common sense to resolve the two issues above either, since then we're really just using utilitarianism as a fancy, rational-sounding, but ultimately hollow argument to wrap around our gut instincts and commonsense assumptions and make it sound like we actually made a considered decision about the morality of something. (Which is sadly how utilitarianism is used far too often.) My argument here is to preempt people who try to justify Kyubey's actions with utilitarianism here, since that theory is waaay out of its depth in this situation. (Not that Kyubey himself cares what humans think about the morality of his actions.)
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2011-03-03, 22:53 | Link #120 | |
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I get that a lot when pointing out the obvious Nice |
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