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Old 2015-07-29, 20:27   Link #1801
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Kuroka wanted Issei for his genes. She said that she wanted the genes of a humanoid dragon and this was before Issei was given a new body. Issei's soul and flesh have been draconic since very early on, perhaps since the start. His blood and strong dragon aura gave his team mates power ups. Even Azazel proclaims that Issei has a very high affinity for dragons.

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Let us stop beating around the bush and just say it like it is. We don't know what Issei is, how the Boosted Gear and Divine Dividing function. We can only guess.
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Old 2015-07-29, 20:34   Link #1802
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^See? The Two Heavenly Dragons' genes are valuable. There's definitely something there.

But yeah, I also agree that it's probably better to just say we aren't sure what the hell Ise is.
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Old 2015-07-29, 20:37   Link #1803
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Kuroka wanted Issei for his genes. She said that she wanted the genes of a humanoid dragon and this was before Issei was given a new body. Issei's soul and flesh have been draconic since very early on, perhaps since the start. His blood and strong dragon aura gave his team mates power ups. Even Azazel proclaims that Issei has a very high affinity for dragons.

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Let us stop beating around the bush and just say it like it is. We don't know what Issei is, how the Boosted Gear and Divine Dividing function. We can only guess.
If he was a Dragon from the beginning, noone would have called him a human in the first place. And EVERYBODY refered to him as a Devil reincarnated from a human before v12. He had a Dragon Aura, but that's pretty much it.

Asia also has a high affinity for Dragons. Is she a Dragon? No.
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Old 2015-07-29, 20:43   Link #1804
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But then how would the genes of a Heavenly Dragon be valuable? Didn't you read the excerpt from the novel that Amtro quoted?
--You know what? Let's just agree to disagree on this for now, for the most part, and just say that we don't know what he actually is. Yeah, he's a Devil who has the powers of three really powerful dragons and he's also the Sekiryuutei, but aside from that, especially after his body got reconstructed via the flesh of the True Dragon and he also got the Dragon God's power, we don't really know what he actually is. We can't say anything more until the LN confirms what he is.
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Old 2015-07-29, 20:45   Link #1805
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But then how would the genes of a Heavenly Dragon be valuable? Didn't you read the excerpt from the novel that Amtro quoted?
--You know what? Let's just agree to disagree on this for now, for the most part, and just say that we don't know what he actually is. Yeah, he's a Devil who has the powers of three really powerful dragons and he's also the Sekiryuutei, but aside from that, especially after his body got reconstructed via the flesh of the True Dragon and he also got the Dragon God's power, we don't really know what he actually is. We can't say anything more until the LN confirms what he is.
I did say he had some Dragon Aura back then.
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Old 2015-07-29, 20:46   Link #1806
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If he was a Dragon from the beginning, noone would have called him a human in the first place. And EVERYBODY refered to him as a Devil reincarnated from a human before v12. He had a Dragon Aura, but that's pretty much it.

Asia also has a high affinity for Dragons. Is she a Dragon? No.
She doesn't have a high affinity for dragons, she's good at getting them to join her. They like her, she's their damsel and are all highly protective of her. A high affinity for dragons would at the very least include the aggression, which Asia simply does not have.
Did you honestly think that Ddraig would just take over one limb, that he can make a part of the user's body foreign to him and then not have the body reject it fiercely?
No, Issei was either draconic from the start, or he became a dragon when he made the contract with DDraig.
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Old 2015-07-29, 20:57   Link #1807
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She doesn't have a high affinity for dragons, she's good at getting them to join her. They like her, she's their damsel and are all highly protective of her. A high affinity for dragons would at the very least include the aggression, which Asia simply does not have.
Did you honestly think that Ddraig would just take over one limb, that he can make a part of the user's body foreign to him and then not have the body reject it fiercely?
No, Issei was either draconic from the start, or he became a dragon when he made the contract with DDraig.
That's what affinity for Dragons is. Ise is good with using Draconic power because of his hot-blooded personality, Asia is good in dealing with Dragons in general.

Then why the fuck every single person that met Ise called him a human, including Vali? Because they're blind? No, it's because he was a fucking human, until he gave his arm to Ddraig that then turned into that of a Dragon's, and then lost his human-based body, to get a Dragon-based body.
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Old 2015-07-29, 20:58   Link #1808
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I remember this one line by Azazel that maybe related to this topic.
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Question: Assuming that Ise's children can inherit the Heavenly Dragon's genes as well would they be use Ddraig's penetrate ability.
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Old 2015-07-29, 21:08   Link #1809
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I remember this one line by Azazel that maybe related to this topic.
Spoiler for Volume 11 Life 2:

Question: Assuming that Ise's children can inherit the Heavenly Dragon's genes as well would they be use Ddraig's penetrate ability.
If that was the case there'd be a bunch of people with those powers, Ddraig said most of his previous hosts had multiple sex partners.
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Old 2015-07-29, 21:12   Link #1810
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They still call him a human, you know. Here's a crazy thought, maybe they call him human because he looks like one.

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If that was the case there'd be a bunch of people with those powers, Ddraig said most of his previous hosts had multiple sex partners.
Irrelevant, chances of conceiving a child are low on average for humans. Unprotected sex comes with a risk, sure. But so does biking without a helmet.
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Old 2015-07-29, 21:18   Link #1811
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They still call him a human, you know. Here's a crazy thought, maybe they call him human because he looks like one.
Then they should call Sirzechs and Shiva humans too. Oh, and Gasper should be called a girl then. And Yuki Onnas should be called fucking Yetis.

@edit: Yeah, it's so rare teenage pregnancy is an actual problem that gets worse by the year.
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Old 2015-07-29, 21:23   Link #1812
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Now you're just being obtuse. Do you call people you see by their species? Like "hey there human!" for instance. Only when people, usually antagonists are angry at Issei do they refer to him as either human, or a dragon. While we're on that subject, remember that Diodora and Shalba both called Issei a dragon when they were alive, a filthy dragon but a dragon all the same.
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Old 2015-07-29, 21:30   Link #1813
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Now you're just being obtuse. Do you call people you see by their species? Like "hey there human!" for instance. Only when people, usually antagonists are angry at Issei do they refer to him as either human, or a dragon. While we're on that subject, remember that Diodora and Shalba both called Issei a dragon when they were alive, a filthy dragon but a dragon all the same.
Please explain to me why they'd call him a human when he's not one. Saying that he looks like one means shit, Ophis and Crom look human and yet they are called Dragons.

That's because those two looked down on Ise to the point they just considered Ddraig as worthy of mentioning. And you seriously are grasping to straws if you take the word of 2 jobbers over what 80% of the cast said.
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Old 2015-07-29, 21:39   Link #1814
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Stop dodging the issue and explain first why so many girls wanted his genes if he was only human.
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Old 2015-07-29, 21:48   Link #1815
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Man it seem like some people are stuck with the notion that just cause the majority of people refer to ise as human so he is human but they totally forget that in the literal sense he should be a freaking devil at the time people call him that so pretty much everyone is wrong about him being human. And this prove that majority of people simply said that to degrade him and to make it seem like he is an inferior being, it can be said as an insult if sort. They stop later on and simply refer to him as the sekiryuutei now instead of human.
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Old 2015-07-29, 21:55   Link #1816
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From Volume 14

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“Does that mean my life force is going back and forth between dying and reviving?”

“Even that isn’t known. There has never been a case like this. The current you is a reincarnated Devil who reincarnated from a humanoid Dragon. Except, there is a way to stabilise it. Rather, there has been result. You understand that yourself, right?”

Like Sensei says, I’m still having Rias and Akeno-san scatter the Dragon’s power inside me and am still receiving the healing treatment with a senjutsu from Koneko-chan, and for an unknown reason the response of my life force returns to normal for a temporarily time.
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After my confirmation, Xenovia nods.

“Ise is fine. I think you don’t realise it yourself, but you have the aura of a dragon on your body, probably because you’re carrying the Sekiryuutei. I've felt it ever since we met for the first time, it’s just a bit, but your dragon spirit is increasing.”

I-Is that so. I didn’t realise it myself.

“More than making children, I want them to become strong kids. A special power in the father’s genes, or otherwise I want greater strength. And that’s where I think that Ise is the most suited one. The power of the legendary Sekiryuutei. Even if the kids don’t inherit the sacred gear, maybe the kids will inherit the aura? This is a good chance. Definitely, this is the Lord’s guidance----Uh! …….I unintentionally prayed and received damage, but that’s how it is. And there’s perfectly no presence of humans here. Let’s try it out once right now. If anything, the faster the better.”
Also remember one thing, just like Siegfried, those with Dragon base SG gets dragon like traits, they are effected by Dragon Slayers and so on, that's why Siegfried was never able use Gram's full power till Volume 12, we can avoid the possibility that the Sacred Gears will somewhat effect the body.
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Old 2015-07-29, 21:56   Link #1817
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The people who called him "human" didn't stop calling him human. They either died, or were sealed away. Some of those very same people also called him a dragon. Remember Diodora? He refused to shake hands with a "filthy dragon", Shalba also used that same insult.
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Old 2015-07-29, 22:19   Link #1818
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The people who called him "human" didn't stop calling him human. They either died, or were sealed away. Some of those very same people also called him a dragon. Remember Diodora? He refused to shake hands with a "filthy dragon", Shalba also used that same insult.
Yeah, Diodora, the same retard who thought the Old Maou Faction was on his side when he's the little brother of a current Maou. Pretty reliable source of any kind of info.

Vali called Ise a completely normal human who got turned into a Devil. He may be a bit on the arrogant side, but he knows his shit, he's a fellow Heavenly Dragon host after all.
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Old 2015-07-29, 22:20   Link #1819
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The people who called him "human" didn't stop calling him human. They either died, or were sealed away. Some of those very same people also called him a dragon. Remember Diodora? He refused to shake hands with a "filthy dragon", Shalba also used that same insult.
Ise as a Devil has a dragons aura, but as a human the fallen angles knew he had a SG but had no Idea what kind it was. Even Rias was surprised when she found out that Ise had Ddraig in the SG. Even Tannin still has his dragon traits but he himself says he is a Devil.
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Old 2015-07-29, 22:37   Link #1820
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Bottom line is that people will call Issei whatever they damn please, but the evidence points in the direction of him being a powerful humanoid dragon since early on.
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