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Flawfinder · 2011-12-16, 18:21

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Originally Posted by Freeter

The big Yozora 'reveal' was a huge disappointment, especially compared with the way the manga handled it. That scene should have been done in an intimate space with just those two. The way it was done in the anime felt like an awkward greeting session instead.

I thought it was supposed to be an awkward greeting session. And since this is Boku Wa Tomodachi Ga Sukunai, I bet that by next episode, the reveal's aftermath will just be the two realizing that nothing's really changed.

Shimapan · 2011-12-16, 20:32

Nice "Kirino and friends" cameo at 4:30

At first Yozora didn't want to go to the matsuri, but when everyone else went, she didn't want to be left out and came with the excuse of eating takoyaki.

After eating takoyaki, she tried to ruin everyone's fun again, just as she did with the pool excursion - which didn't surprise me in the least. This time however, as it's done face-to-face and not remotely via mobile phone, Sena can eventually convince her to stay.

With the yukata - at first Yozora, green of envy, hits Kodaka because he likes how Sena looks in the yukata. Then however she doesn't go to wear one, not even as he compliments her how good she would look it it. That was just incredibly stupid. Sena, on the other hand, scores with Kodaka, and he even tells her his intimate secret about why he doesn't dye his hair.

On the matsuri, everyone has fun. Rika's epic shooting win's her an X360 - I just wonder how she's so good at it, as she's holed up in her room all the time...

Sena and Yozora seem to have fun competing with the matsuri attractions, even if Yozora doesn't want to accept to have lost.

The fireworks at the end were nice as well, with Yozora's usual nasty remarks about Sena. Once again though, the karma of justice bites her in the ass and sets her hair on fire.

At first she's angry at losing her long hair and doesn't come to the club - but then she apparently decides on "look, I wanted to cut it off anyway" and has it cut short. This finally leads to Kodaka recognising her from 10 years back.
I really hope Yozora's trolling will stop now, but somehow I think it won't change much, if anything.

Master_Yoma · 2011-12-16, 22:20

Kobato in a kimono

Irenicus · 2011-12-17, 00:11

Were the creators trying to hint that Yozora was seriously bullied in the past with her reaction to the water thing, or is she just *puts on sunglasses* being a wet paper bag?

Although, I agree that this episode is rather something of a directorial fail. Scenes that should have been much more powerful fall flat, the scenes emphasizing everyone's friendship go through as if they're on autopilot, and the all-important scene at the end is handled very weakly. The content, however, is quite nice.

VVolf · 2011-12-17, 03:53

Eh...a 6/10.

For the ground-shattering bombshell that everyone was expecting, it couldn't have been delivered more weakly and blandly, almost bordering on "Wait? What? ...Why?".

The "why" is the biggest problem. Why'd Yozora do it? Why now? Because she's losing Kodaka to Sena (in her mind)? Because she's had enough of Kodaka not remembering? Because it was the perfect excuse (burnt hair) to cut it all off? Because the incident of getting dumped on with a bucket of water reminded her of some tragic past?

So many questions, not one was answered (really doubt the final episode is ever going to answer that). All they did was use a few flashback, and thought it was enough.

In the end, the big showdown, the grand finisher, the major twist, the attempted comeback of Yozora, just came off as meh. Heck, even the way Yozora delivered that punch line was hardly emotional enough to move the audience. Granted, the novel didn't build up to that scene any better either, but at least the emotional impact was passable (simply because we had Kodaka's dialog to make it so, which the anime didn't have).

Another reason why they shouldn't have treated this as "an visual adaptation of the novel", but rather as "an anime of Haganai". Don't just blindly follow the novel, improve on it. And for god's sake, stop focusing on the fanservice and more on the characters.

Very, VERY weak episode. Only things good were the part about Kodaka's reasons for not dying his hair and, most importantly, this dysfunctional friendship between Yozora and Sena. They changed from "I can't stand you!" to a "I won't lose to you!" rivalry. A good development, and one that brought out the main theme - friends.

6/10, a new low, if simply because this should be, by all accounts, the ending episode of this season. Sigh...

Yui Is My Wife · 2011-12-17, 05:17

I have yet to read the novel, but for an episode that is meant to humanize what is basically female malevolence and selfisheness personfied, this adaptation has done a very VERY poor job at convicing me of Yozora's supposed decency and humanity.

A few tears and a change of hairsyle?

Sorry, a crocodile also sheds tears, and does that make it decent?

A vicious-rattlesnake that has shed its skin is still a vicious-rattlesnake.

bakAnki · 2011-12-17, 06:52

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Originally Posted by Freeter

The big Yozora 'reveal' was a huge disappointment, especially compared with the way the manga handled it.

The manga, the original one that is, hasn't gotten to this point yet.
The 'alternate universe' spin-off Haganai Plus manga had though, but how it got to this part is very different.

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Originally Posted by Yui Is My Wife

I have yet to read the novel, but for an episode that is meant to humanize what is basically female malevolence and selfisheness personfied, this adaptation has done a very VERY poor job at convicing me of Yozora's supposed decency and humanity.

I don't think this episode meant to explain her reason yet, just like light novel originally did. For comparison, this 'reunion' part was an *short* epilogue of volume 3 of the light novel. Her reason explained on the next volume.

ID555 · 2011-12-17, 06:56

Funny but I found Yozora's lines quote touching.

But then again I'm particularly weak towards Inoue's dere voice.

Chaos2Frozen · 2011-12-17, 07:29

It feels to me like people played up the expectations in their heads to the point that nothing would be good enough to meet their standards.

It's okay, I've seen this happen all the time.

Sheba · 2011-12-17, 08:09

That the little kids actually used the second kanji of their first name as nicknames (respectively 鷹 for Kodaka and 空 for Yozora), how did this not come to me earlier? I feel stupid for not realizing it when the clues have been right in my face all along (notably the monster hunter bit).

It actually touched me, perhaps because I had not expectations to begin with (my mind have not been into anime when the workload have increased as xmas draws near). My only gripes with this episode was the QUALITY here and there.

christinemarie · 2011-12-17, 11:00

I'll give this episode a perfect 10 for bringing all elements and quickly understand the whole episode with the inclusion of the Ore no Imouto main characters cameo plus the reason why Kodaka didn't dye his hair makes me felt nostalgic as I'm also in the same reason as him, except with the eyes as resemblance.
As for others that are confused with Yozora runs after showered with bucket of water. The only reason I could think of why Yozora left after she gets drenched in water for saving her hair, its actually a wig and about to fall off so she run for it, thought that if it falls everyone would be disappointed on her specially Kodaka since she betrayed him for the second time with the hair extension disguise. Nobody thought about that Yozora's long hair is actually a wig to disguise her true self, it take her a very long time to think about what to do before she finally shows up as Sora.

Chaos2Frozen · 2011-12-17, 11:16

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Originally Posted by christinemarie

As for others that are confused with Yozora runs after showered with bucket of water. The only reason I could think of why Yozora left after she gets drenched in water for saving her hair, its actually a wig and about to fall off so she run for it, thought that if it falls everyone would be disappointed on her specially Kodaka since she betrayed him for the second time with the hair extension disguise. Nobody thought about that Yozora's long hair is actually a wig to disguise her true self, it take her a very long time to think about what to do before she finally shows up as Sora.

I'll say again; Wet, cold and miserable - it's not rocket science people =_=

What else was she suppose to do? Stay there and catch a cold with part of her hair burnt off?

Yui Is My Wife · 2011-12-17, 11:33

Oh, so Inoue Maria, the voice of Yozora also does coarse and rough characters like Inugami Kotaro of Negima, no big surprise there....

SPITS COKE ON SCREEN!!

Say WHAT NOW? She is also the voice of sweet, kind and gentle big-sister Chiffon Fairchild of Freezing!?!!?!?!?!?! Has the world gone topsy-turvy?

DragoonKain3 · 2011-12-17, 11:54

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

It feels to me like people played up the expectations in their heads to the point that nothing would be good enough to meet their standards.

It's okay, I've seen this happen all the time.

Maybe, maybe not. I personally thought the episode was well done, as someone who never read the novels or the manga.

Perfect? Not by a long shot, but it isn't as terrible as other people make it out to be IMO.

xDisturbedjeans · 2011-12-17, 18:01

I thought the episode was great untill the last minute. kadoka realizing the yozora was sora from years ago in the middle of the classroom just seemed a bit awkward for me and it felt a bit rushed.

Malkuth · 2011-12-17, 18:26

Having the revelation on ep.11, I assume that for all intends and purposes the show is over, and we are just getting an extra episode broadcasted next. After watching Denpa and this, what can I say, another burned LN... character designs were adapted without inspiration, voice acting was good for the most part, but pacing and storytelling, as well as animation from bad to atrocious, which is a recurring problem with adaptions. Oh! and save for the animation, I am pretty sure that the B team of SHAFT or their former director and his team that worked in C3 and BakaTest could have done a way better job

PS: As someone pointed out already, there is no big mystery in Yozora sudden departure. Anyone having his regal pitch black straight long hair burned, and washed with a bucket of filthy water with remnants of burned gunpowder and paper would not stick around during a summer breeze, and feel miserable for the next few days. And that someone being the haughty Yozora multiply the intensity and duration by 10x

Shimapan · 2011-12-17, 20:03

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Originally Posted by christinemarie

As for others that are confused with Yozora runs after showered with bucket of water. The only reason I could think of why Yozora left after she gets drenched in water for saving her hair, its actually a wig and about to fall off so she run for it, thought that if it falls everyone would be disappointed on her specially Kodaka since she betrayed him for the second time with the hair extension disguise. Nobody thought about that Yozora's long hair is actually a wig to disguise her true self, it take her a very long time to think about what to do before she finally shows up as Sora.

Yes, her long hair only being a wig in an attempt to try to impress others - I could see that with Yozora. So with her wig being about to come off, she didn't want to be exposed.
I'd say that's one possible explanation.

Flawfinder · 2011-12-17, 20:09

Okay, why do people keep on thinking that next episode is going to be some sort of recap? From the preview? Since when have the previews showed anything significant about the next episode? Did anyone ever think that the next episode will give some context to the final scene of this latest episode? This isn't Persona Trinity Soul.

Chaos2Frozen · 2011-12-17, 20:13

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Originally Posted by Shimapan

Yes, her long hair only being a wig in an attempt to try to impress others - I could see that with Yozora. So with her wig being about to come off, she didn't want to be exposed.
I'd say that's one possible explanation.

'Possible' is the very last word I would use to describe that explanation.

Malkuth · 2011-12-17, 20:15

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Originally Posted by Flawnalyst

Okay, why do people keep on thinking that next episode is going to be some sort of recap? From the preview?

No, because they burned the best the scene with the greatest potential in the show's worst episode. What remains is to wrap up what they failed to animate the last three months or hopefully fanservice

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Originally Posted by Flawnalyst

Since when have the previews showed anything significant about the next episode? Did anyone ever think that the next episode will give some context to the final scene of this latest episode? This isn't Persona Trinity Soul.

No, it isn't, P:TS at least looked good, yet like this adaption/spin-off crippling characters and plot

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2011-12-16, 20:32	Link #62
Shimapan Try me! <3 Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Germany Age: 40	Nice "Kirino and friends" cameo at 4:30 At first Yozora didn't want to go to the matsuri, but when everyone else went, she didn't want to be left out and came with the excuse of eating takoyaki. After eating takoyaki, she tried to ruin everyone's fun again, just as she did with the pool excursion - which didn't surprise me in the least. This time however, as it's done face-to-face and not remotely via mobile phone, Sena can eventually convince her to stay. With the yukata - at first Yozora, green of envy, hits Kodaka because he likes how Sena looks in the yukata. Then however she doesn't go to wear one, not even as he compliments her how good she would look it it. That was just incredibly stupid. Sena, on the other hand, scores with Kodaka, and he even tells her his intimate secret about why he doesn't dye his hair. On the matsuri, everyone has fun. Rika's epic shooting win's her an X360 - I just wonder how she's so good at it, as she's holed up in her room all the time... Sena and Yozora seem to have fun competing with the matsuri attractions, even if Yozora doesn't want to accept to have lost. The fireworks at the end were nice as well, with Yozora's usual nasty remarks about Sena. Once again though, the karma of justice bites her in the ass and sets her hair on fire. At first she's angry at losing her long hair and doesn't come to the club - but then she apparently decides on "look, I wanted to cut it off anyway" and has it cut short. This finally leads to Kodaka recognising her from 10 years back. I really hope Yozora's trolling will stop now, but somehow I think it won't change much, if anything. __________________

2011-12-16, 22:20	Link #63
Master_Yoma Nekokota Festival Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lost in the Fairy Forest	Kobato in a kimono __________________

2011-12-17, 03:53	Link #65
VVolf 夜空派 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Hong Kong Age: 37	Eh...a 6/10. For the ground-shattering bombshell that everyone was expecting, it couldn't have been delivered more weakly and blandly, almost bordering on "Wait? What? ...Why?". The "why" is the biggest problem. Why'd Yozora do it? Why now? Because she's losing Kodaka to Sena (in her mind)? Because she's had enough of Kodaka not remembering? Because it was the perfect excuse (burnt hair) to cut it all off? Because the incident of getting dumped on with a bucket of water reminded her of some tragic past? So many questions, not one was answered (really doubt the final episode is ever going to answer that). All they did was use a few flashback, and thought it was enough. In the end, the big showdown, the grand finisher, the major twist, the attempted comeback of Yozora, just came off as meh. Heck, even the way Yozora delivered that punch line was hardly emotional enough to move the audience. Granted, the novel didn't build up to that scene any better either, but at least the emotional impact was passable (simply because we had Kodaka's dialog to make it so, which the anime didn't have). Another reason why they shouldn't have treated this as "an visual adaptation of the novel", but rather as "an anime of Haganai". Don't just blindly follow the novel, improve on it. And for god's sake, stop focusing on the fanservice and more on the characters. Very, VERY weak episode. Only things good were the part about Kodaka's reasons for not dying his hair and, most importantly, this dysfunctional friendship between Yozora and Sena. They changed from "I can't stand you!" to a "I won't lose to you!" rivalry. A good development, and one that brought out the main theme - friends. 6/10, a new low, if simply because this should be, by all accounts, the ending episode of this season. Sigh... __________________ "Then, I'll treat you as more important than a hundred people. Even if there were a hundred...no, a million or a trillion people, even if it means standing against the entire world, I'll still be your friend no matter what." Taka (Kodaka) to Sora (Yozora), "Past", vol 1. Last edited by VVolf; 2011-12-17 at 04:47.

2011-12-17, 05:17	Link #66
Yui Is My Wife Paper-Fan of DOOM!! Join Date: Jul 2010	I have yet to read the novel, but for an episode that is meant to humanize what is basically female malevolence and selfisheness personfied, this adaptation has done a very VERY poor job at convicing me of Yozora's supposed decency and humanity. A few tears and a change of hairsyle? Sorry, a crocodile also sheds tears, and does that make it decent? A vicious-rattlesnake that has shed its skin is still a vicious-rattlesnake. __________________

2011-12-17, 00:11	Link #64
Irenicus Le fou, c'est moi Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Las Vegas, NV, USA Age: 34	Were the creators trying to hint that Yozora was seriously bullied in the past with her reaction to the water thing, or is she just *puts on sunglasses* being a wet paper bag? Although, I agree that this episode is rather something of a directorial fail. Scenes that should have been much more powerful fall flat, the scenes emphasizing everyone's friendship go through as if they're on autopilot, and the all-important scene at the end is handled very weakly. The content, however, is quite nice.

2011-12-17, 06:56	Link #68
ID555 Kamaboko smash & grab Join Date: Nov 2009	Funny but I found Yozora's lines quote touching. But then again I'm particularly weak towards Inoue's dere voice.

2011-12-17, 07:29	Link #69
Chaos2Frozen We're Back Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Redgrave City Age: 35	It feels to me like people played up the expectations in their heads to the point that nothing would be good enough to meet their standards. It's okay, I've seen this happen all the time. __________________ Devil Trigger , Subhuman , Crimson Cloud , Mad Qualia

2011-12-17, 08:09	Link #70
Sheba RUN, YOU FOOLS! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Formerly Iwakawa base and Chaldea. Now Teyvat, the Astral Express & the Outpost Age: 44	That the little kids actually used the second kanji of their first name as nicknames (respectively 鷹 for Kodaka and 空 for Yozora), how did this not come to me earlier? I feel stupid for not realizing it when the clues have been right in my face all along (notably the monster hunter bit). It actually touched me, perhaps because I had not expectations to begin with (my mind have not been into anime when the workload have increased as xmas draws near). My only gripes with this episode was the QUALITY here and there. __________________

2011-12-17, 11:00	Link #71
christinemarie Crazy One Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Crimson Demon's Realm Age: 40	I'll give this episode a perfect 10 for bringing all elements and quickly understand the whole episode with the inclusion of the Ore no Imouto main characters cameo plus the reason why Kodaka didn't dye his hair makes me felt nostalgic as I'm also in the same reason as him, except with the eyes as resemblance. As for others that are confused with Yozora runs after showered with bucket of water. The only reason I could think of why Yozora left after she gets drenched in water for saving her hair, its actually a wig and about to fall off so she run for it, thought that if it falls everyone would be disappointed on her specially Kodaka since she betrayed him for the second time with the hair extension disguise. Nobody thought about that Yozora's long hair is actually a wig to disguise her true self, it take her a very long time to think about what to do before she finally shows up as Sora.

2011-12-17, 11:33	Link #73
Yui Is My Wife Paper-Fan of DOOM!! Join Date: Jul 2010	Oh, so Inoue Maria, the voice of Yozora also does coarse and rough characters like Inugami Kotaro of Negima, no big surprise there.... SPITS COKE ON SCREEN!! Say WHAT NOW? She is also the voice of sweet, kind and gentle big-sister Chiffon Fairchild of Freezing!?!!?!?!?!?! Has the world gone topsy-turvy? __________________

2011-12-17, 18:01	Link #75
xDisturbedjeans Likes2BlogUrAnimeNeeds Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: New York Age: 33	I thought the episode was great untill the last minute. kadoka realizing the yozora was sora from years ago in the middle of the classroom just seemed a bit awkward for me and it felt a bit rushed.

2011-12-17, 18:26	Link #76
Malkuth Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: London Age: 43	Having the revelation on ep.11, I assume that for all intends and purposes the show is over, and we are just getting an extra episode broadcasted next. After watching Denpa and this, what can I say, another burned LN... character designs were adapted without inspiration, voice acting was good for the most part, but pacing and storytelling, as well as animation from bad to atrocious, which is a recurring problem with adaptions. Oh! and save for the animation, I am pretty sure that the B team of SHAFT or their former director and his team that worked in C3 and BakaTest could have done a way better job PS: As someone pointed out already, there is no big mystery in Yozora sudden departure. Anyone having his regal pitch black straight long hair burned, and washed with a bucket of filthy water with remnants of burned gunpowder and paper would not stick around during a summer breeze, and feel miserable for the next few days. And that someone being the haughty Yozora multiply the intensity and duration by 10x

2011-12-17, 20:09	Link #78
Flawfinder Loves the Experience Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Earth...hopefully	Okay, why do people keep on thinking that next episode is going to be some sort of recap? From the preview? Since when have the previews showed anything significant about the next episode? Did anyone ever think that the next episode will give some context to the final scene of this latest episode? This isn't Persona Trinity Soul. __________________ My Awesome Anime Blog: Standing On My Neck