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Theclow · 2006-09-14, 20:34

I vote for Aired by TV, I don't know I just like the order it's in I guess.

Pink-chan · 2006-09-16, 12:11

That's why this anime is very interesting. I never thought I will fall in love with it when I just started watching. I'll recommend watching in Kyon's order and rewatch it in Haruhi's order. That'll give us full and complete experience.

Choki · 2006-09-16, 12:19

i would watch it from eps 1,2,3,4,5,6,8,7,9,10,11,12,13,14
i really went

when they suddenly jumped the Remote Island Syndrome eps...
other then that everything else is fun =D

X207 · 2006-09-16, 16:43

i find haruhi a bit weird because the random ep airing. but know the chronological order makes it much easier to follow

Agent86 · 2006-09-16, 23:31

I've watched it in Kyon order twice, once in Haruhi order, and once in strict chronological order.

I've read that Tanigawa Nagaru (the author of the light novels) suggested to KyoAni that the episodes be done out of chronological order. Whether he did that or not, I think it was a great idea. It spreads the "exciting" events of Melancholy and the "wacky hijinks" of the later episodes through the entire run. It also adds a feeling of temporal befuddlement which probably matches the narrator's uneasiness with the events unfolding around him.

Haruhi order drags around Lone Island Syndrome, but events are explained in a more linear fashion. Strict chronological also drags around Lone Island, and loses the successive "OMG" revelations about Adventures of Mikuru-run that you get with Haruhi or Kyon order.

Someday In The Rain is not a great ending to the series, but since we all expect/hope/pray for (at least) a second season, it serves as a excellent interlude.

So I'd say Kyon (more exciting) or Haruhi (clearer) order, but Adventures of Mikuru-run first whatever you do.

Kikaifan · 2006-09-17, 01:25

On the side: I watched Sexy Commando at the same time, and the parody-on-top-of-parody effect was really great. I don't know if it'll work for anybody else, but I tenatively recommend watching another highschool-comedy-comedy with it.

Ultima_Rasengan05 · 2006-09-27, 14:32

anybody mentioned about watching The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya from only the 6 episodes that tell the real story??
like watching episodes 2,3,5,10,13,and 14 and after watching those 6, you can just watch the rest of the other episodes in any order if you want....
but i would recommend this only after you haved watched the episodes in Kyon's order first.
I noticed this when i watched the series for a second time....since most of the other episodes were somewhat fillers to the real story behind Haruhi...
just my opinion though

Rin-Sama · 2006-09-27, 14:49

Croniligical order would be the best. it maybe a chaotic series but that doesn't mean you should confuse the hell out of your audiance.

dKiWi · 2006-09-29, 10:54

If I was recommending SHnY to a would-be Haruhiist, I wud definitely recommand watching it in episodic order. This is the way that brought abt much satisfaction for me as a newbie, and there is a purpose to doing it that way anyway.

Remember what Mikuru said abt time not being continuouous? That it is like frames in an anime? If u watch it in episodic order then chronological order, u will see that this process is actually a PROOF of this statement.

Note that when watching in episodic order, the bits of information scattered around from the future did not really interfere with the final impact episode 14 brought about. It wasnt very confusing at all. In fact, I believed that all of that happened in between The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi I-VI in some order instead of after, and this did not really spoil the experience at all.

Remember the basic fallacy to why authors dislike to write abt time travel: because it cant seem to work out properly. For example if u go back in time to kill your grandmother, u couldnt possibly have done it!

However most of this authors have not actually studied a deeper part of Physics, which is the science of Truth. They choose to instead use human logic, which is often wrong (yea I'm sure the world is flat). We need physics to show us the truth. I sincerely am believing Nagara Kanigawa did, even tho he is a graduate from law school. Probably did in in high school, or he is interested in physics, or HECK he took a physics module in university. Look at all the equations in the OP.. T_T

Since time isnt continuous, and is made up of discrete packets, then if u go back in time to kill your mother, then that situation is isolated. I believe that there will be a certain probability that

a. Your mother would be born b4 your grandmother was killed.
b. You would exist even if your grandmother did not, but the reason wud be blocked out of ppl's heads. And onli u wud be aware that u killed your grandmother.

Or something like that. I'm no fiction or physics expert, but I wud roughly describe it as this. As in any event that occurs in the past will not create too huge a time ripple in the future.

If u analyse the star-shaped mole incident and RE-watch (not watch) in chronological order, I think u'll get wad I mean.

Watching in episodic and then chronological is THE SHnY experience IMO, then mayb if u are REALLY bored and have TONS of time one day u might find yourself randomly clicking and who knows....

Potatochobit · 2006-09-29, 13:40

the first time i went through the show i was very confused after episode 2. so the only thing i might change is to put a different episode after #2 that showed one of the characters developing their special talent, like maybe the missing computer person episode.

0TaKu0 · 2006-09-30, 13:40

Os~ minasan,

I just started watching this anime and noticed its peculiar-ness in about 4 episodes, really the concept it self is so artistically amazing, its not a wonder this title is such a great hit.

The way I discovered its secret was, after watching the 4th episode and realizing it was no way related or connected to episode 3 I was all “WTF?”. So the curious person that I am I decided to scroll through every episode and fast forward to the end to watch the PREVIEW of the next episode to see if I can find a matching episode that comes after episode 3 and bam, episode 5 was the matching episode after 3. At first I thought this was very strange and thought maybe who ever uploaded the torrent miss-labeled the episodes.

That’s when I realized that during the end, every time Suzumiya Haruhi says the number of the next episode and Kyon scolds her and tells her its wrong, was not a joke. The truth was Suzumiya Haruhi’s order was the chronological one, while Kyon’s was the Aired order.

In any case after discovering this I came to a dilemma >_< I could not decide which way I wanted to watch the anime, a part of me wanted to watch the rest of the anime from Suzumiya Haruhi’s perspective (chronological) and the other part of me wanted to watch it in Kyon’s perspective because I did not want to destroy/miss out on its artistic-ness which makes it a great anime (Curse me for being some one who likes to enjoy Anime to its fullest and figuring out the secret of this anime so early on in the series, because now every time I watch it in the back of my mind I’m thinking this is not the correct order . . . ). So! Google to the rescue and it lead me to this form and this topic.

After reading this, I guess because I consider my self a true anime fan (would even go as far as to use the word otaku <- looked down upon in Japan) it’s the only right thing to do is to watch the anime the way it was aired, then watch it chronologically or I couldn’t call my self a true anime fan.

So I hope this helped those who came across this or a similar confliction. Ciao~ <3

0TaKu0 · 2006-09-30, 21:06

@_@; Whoa double post ignore this or mod delete this onegai~

**Klashikari** · 2006-10-02, 05:39

sorry if i would probably bring more confusion, but is it possible that "haruhi" order is NOT the chronological one?

you see, there are several weird stuff about the order given by haruhi.

List of the episodes + the next one, following haruhi order

Quote:

01) "The Adventures of Mikuru Asahina - Episode 00" => go to episode 1 (loop)
02) "The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya I" => go to episode 2 (loop)
03) "The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya II" => go to episode 7
04) "The Boredom of Haruhi Suzumiya" => go to episode 3
05) "The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya III" => go to episode 9
06) "Remote Island Syndrome (Part I)" => go to episode 8
07) "Mystérique Sign" => go to episode 10
08) "Remote Island Syndrome (Part II)" => go to episode 14
09) "Someday in the Rain" => go to episode 4
10) "The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya IV" => go to episode 13
11) "The Day of Sagittarius" => go to episode 12
12) "Live Alive" => go to episode 5
13) "The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya V" => go to episode 6
14) "The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya VI" => none

the beginning is simple : since haruhi gives a loop directory, we have no other choice than ignoring that and following the logical order (kyon/aired one)...for the moment !

so it is for the start : 1 => 2 => 3

followed by : 03 => 07 => 10 => 13 => 06 => 08 => 14

as you probably know/guess, since the 14 is "officially" the last episode aired, there isn't any announcement for "next episode", so you have to follow the remaining episodes "end announcement clue" to determine their place in the head of the order (since the first 2 episode are kinda screwed)

which led to : 11 => 12 => 05 => 09 => 04 => 03

finally, we got this weird haruhi order : 01 // 02 // 11 => 12 => 05 => 09 => 04 => 03 => 08 => 10 => 13 => 06 => 08 => 14
compare with the chronological order : 02 => 03 => 05 => 10 => 13 => 14 => 04 => 07 => 06 => 08 => 01 => 12 => 11 => 09
*note : i didn't link the first and second episode with the others since there isn't any "haruhi" clue about their place, they could be either at the top or the end of the chain. now, indeed, we all know that the second episode should be the very first, plot/content wise, but that point aside, we can't determine with only haruhi commenting it.

this is kinda weird, and i'm really wondering how did KyoAni end to an order like this.
however, i'm perfectly sure that haruhi does not give the "chronological" order, since it certainly does not follow the logic order according the titles and the novels (previous episode to the 3rd is 4th instead of 2, etc etc)

did i do something wrong?

EDIT : if i'm correct, this means there are 3 orders :
1) kyon's/aired one (simply 1 => 14)
2) Chronological (requires some information from novels/titles and some brainstorming)
3) Haruhi's order (err... Haruhi-ic order ? (read joke/random/fool order, whatever) )

maybe it's just some silly haruhi's joke and shouldn't be taken seriously. or maybe it's a random order simply to try it and consider as real randomness possible (which is, indeed, not really common among animes that have a central plot)

dKiWi · 2006-10-02, 06:40

hmmm this seems QUITE interesting...

**Klashikari** · 2006-10-02, 08:42

i made my post clearer. sorry for my bad english, kinda sucks, i know ~~

anyway, i'm trying the "haruhi' order to determine if there is something behind or just some "haruhi-ic" randomness

0TaKu0 · 2006-10-04, 02:36

Ok, just finished watching the whole thing, and i wrote this up as i watched. This will fix any questions and give all answer's to the order and whatever Klashikari might want to read this.

Ok this contains alot of spoiler's so dont say i dident warn you, any way i tried my best to type it out to make it as understandable as possible, its 4 AM I'm very tired so excuse my spelling and grammer i dident really bother with it ^_^ if there any questions about this, or you have some contradiction to what i typed send me a PM or post here. Any way please click "Spoiler"

Spoiler:

and now its time for me to sleep, Ja~

**Klashikari** · 2006-10-04, 05:27

i have read carefully your answers, but that wasn't really what i mean't ^^'
i'm aware of the common chronological order, and i ended also in a "chronological" order like this (without spoiler, but lots of brainstorming like you did, some details and facts which give obvious hints about which episode should be the next, and so on)

BUT, i was just pointing the fact that, saying "haruhi order" as the "chronological order" is plain incorrect, or not based on the same facts.
in my case, i was only focusing on haruhi hint of the next episode, which is clearly messed. (the 2 loops, no direct connection between episode 02 => 03 => 05 => 10 => 13 => 14, etc )

this isn't supposed to (mis)lead another "true logic order", but the meaning of my post was demonstrating that haruhi gives nothing but a chaotic order.

anyway, i'm aware that the true order is :
02 => 03 => 05 => 10 => 13 => 14 => 04 => 07 => 06 => 08 => 01 => 12 => 11 => 09

but like i stated above, haruhi gives an order like this :
01 // 02 // 11 => 12 => 05 => 09 => 04 => 03 => 08 => 10 => 13 => 06 => 08 => 14

so, we shouldn't mixing "haruhi order" and "chronological order", they ARE NOT THE SAME (although the topic used "aired" and "chronological" terms, lots of people still think that haruhi gives the chronological, which is false)

0TaKu0 · 2006-10-04, 12:23

MM hmm I see what you mean, your not totally wrong, but your not toally right either.

First you typed this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Klashikari

but like i stated above, haruhi gives an order like this :
01 // 02 // 11 => 12 => 05 => 09 => 04 => 03 => 08 => 10 => 13 => 06 => 08 => 14

Your wrong, thats not the order haruhi gives,

After watching the ends of the episodes this is what it really is:

Kyon Order:
1 (kyon ask's Haruhi what episode was this? and is ignored), 2, 3, 4, 5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14

Haruhi Order:
(Haruhi doesnt say anthing about the aired/episode 1 she ignores kyon when kyon ask's her what episode this was and goes stright to commenting on aired/episode 2 SO the order looks like)

1, 2, 7, 3, 9, 8, 10, 14, 4, 13, 12, 5, 6. <(Please notice episode 11 is missing from the order she call's out because the Aired/episode 1 is actually episode 11, WHICH she MADE no comment on, and ignored kyon and its up to US to put the aired/episode 1 in the 11 slot)

So Klashikari, your correct about one thing the order that haruhi gives is infact not chronological, BUT only in a technicality.

The order that haruhi gives might not be chronological but theres NO DOUBT she is naming out which number is the Correct number for which episode. Ex: 2 = 1, 3 = 2 , 4 = 7 etc etc...

So in the end Haruhi named out the correct number for the correct episode so WE can put it in Chronological Order.

I can only come to the conclusion that there IS No Haruhi Order she was following the aired/kyon order but correcting kyon and naming out the correct number for the correct episode ^_______________^

Down there is the order that kyon and haruhi gives but in dialog format.

Spoiler:

^_^ None the less, one thing for sure. There is a definite possibility that there will be a season 2! Haruhi never learn'd about who she really is, and kyon and haruhi never expressed their feelings for eachother (not really).

**Klashikari** · 2006-10-04, 12:47

mea culpa... sheesh, i was taking her numbers as the following one using the "aired numbers", i didn't expect haruhi telling the "next episode" its real number in fact. >_<

sounds like i was tricked right like kyon ~~

Sogoro · 2006-10-15, 03:15

I believe the concept developer, artist, writer or w/e their called did a great job on making it in the way that it was. It brings up alot of questions that keeps people, like myself, who like bizarre styles to keep watching. I had a "wtf?" moment when I first started watching. But overall I liked how the anime was put together.

View Poll Results: Which order do you think is the best way to watch?
As aired on T.V.	254	53.93%
Chronological order	139	29.51%
"Ep 0" first, then Chronological order	58	12.31%
Random Order	12	2.55%
Some different order (please specify)	8	1.70%
Voters: 471. You may not vote on this poll

2006-09-17, 01:25	Link #46
Kikaifan Blazing General Join Date: May 2006 Location: CA Age: 37	On the side: I watched Sexy Commando at the same time, and the parody-on-top-of-parody effect was really great. I don't know if it'll work for anybody else, but I tenatively recommend watching another highschool-comedy-comedy with it. __________________

2006-09-29, 10:54	Link #49
dKiWi Devoted Haruhiist Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Singapore Age: 36	If I was recommending SHnY to a would-be Haruhiist, I wud definitely recommand watching it in episodic order. This is the way that brought abt much satisfaction for me as a newbie, and there is a purpose to doing it that way anyway. Remember what Mikuru said abt time not being continuouous? That it is like frames in an anime? If u watch it in episodic order then chronological order, u will see that this process is actually a PROOF of this statement. Note that when watching in episodic order, the bits of information scattered around from the future did not really interfere with the final impact episode 14 brought about. It wasnt very confusing at all. In fact, I believed that all of that happened in between The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi I-VI in some order instead of after, and this did not really spoil the experience at all. Remember the basic fallacy to why authors dislike to write abt time travel: because it cant seem to work out properly. For example if u go back in time to kill your grandmother, u couldnt possibly have done it! However most of this authors have not actually studied a deeper part of Physics, which is the science of Truth. They choose to instead use human logic, which is often wrong (yea I'm sure the world is flat). We need physics to show us the truth. I sincerely am believing Nagara Kanigawa did, even tho he is a graduate from law school. Probably did in in high school, or he is interested in physics, or HECK he took a physics module in university. Look at all the equations in the OP.. T_T Since time isnt continuous, and is made up of discrete packets, then if u go back in time to kill your mother, then that situation is isolated. I believe that there will be a certain probability that a. Your mother would be born b4 your grandmother was killed. b. You would exist even if your grandmother did not, but the reason wud be blocked out of ppl's heads. And onli u wud be aware that u killed your grandmother. Or something like that. I'm no fiction or physics expert, but I wud roughly describe it as this. As in any event that occurs in the past will not create too huge a time ripple in the future. If u analyse the star-shaped mole incident and RE-watch (not watch) in chronological order, I think u'll get wad I mean. Watching in episodic and then chronological is THE SHnY experience IMO, then mayb if u are REALLY bored and have TONS of time one day u might find yourself randomly clicking and who knows.... Last edited by dKiWi; 2006-09-29 at 11:11.

2006-09-30, 13:40	Link #51
0TaKu0 Tesseract Enigma Graphic Designer Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sunset Park Neighborhood, Brooklyn, Newyork. Age: 38	Xd Os~ minasan, I just started watching this anime and noticed its peculiar-ness in about 4 episodes, really the concept it self is so artistically amazing, its not a wonder this title is such a great hit. The way I discovered its secret was, after watching the 4th episode and realizing it was no way related or connected to episode 3 I was all “WTF?”. So the curious person that I am I decided to scroll through every episode and fast forward to the end to watch the PREVIEW of the next episode to see if I can find a matching episode that comes after episode 3 and bam, episode 5 was the matching episode after 3. At first I thought this was very strange and thought maybe who ever uploaded the torrent miss-labeled the episodes. That’s when I realized that during the end, every time Suzumiya Haruhi says the number of the next episode and Kyon scolds her and tells her its wrong, was not a joke. The truth was Suzumiya Haruhi’s order was the chronological one, while Kyon’s was the Aired order. In any case after discovering this I came to a dilemma >_< I could not decide which way I wanted to watch the anime, a part of me wanted to watch the rest of the anime from Suzumiya Haruhi’s perspective (chronological) and the other part of me wanted to watch it in Kyon’s perspective because I did not want to destroy/miss out on its artistic-ness which makes it a great anime (Curse me for being some one who likes to enjoy Anime to its fullest and figuring out the secret of this anime so early on in the series, because now every time I watch it in the back of my mind I’m thinking this is not the correct order . . . ). So! Google to the rescue and it lead me to this form and this topic. After reading this, I guess because I consider my self a true anime fan (would even go as far as to use the word otaku <- looked down upon in Japan) it’s the only right thing to do is to watch the anime the way it was aired, then watch it chronologically or I couldn’t call my self a true anime fan. So I hope this helped those who came across this or a similar confliction. Ciao~ <3 __________________

2006-09-30, 21:06	Link #52
0TaKu0 Tesseract Enigma Graphic Designer Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sunset Park Neighborhood, Brooklyn, Newyork. Age: 38	Xd @_@; Whoa double post ignore this or mod delete this onegai~ Last edited by 0TaKu0; 2006-09-30 at 21:18.

2006-09-14, 20:34	Link #41
Theclow "Removed by mod" Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Arizona western collage dorms	I vote for Aired by TV, I don't know I just like the order it's in I guess.

2006-09-16, 12:11	Link #42
Pink-chan 世界の明日のために Join Date: Dec 2005	That's why this anime is very interesting. I never thought I will fall in love with it when I just started watching. I'll recommend watching in Kyon's order and rewatch it in Haruhi's order. That'll give us full and complete experience.

2006-09-16, 12:19	Link #43
Choki I believe i can fly Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Where am i anyway....	i would watch it from eps 1,2,3,4,5,6,8,7,9,10,11,12,13,14 i really went when they suddenly jumped the Remote Island Syndrome eps... other then that everything else is fun =D

2006-09-16, 16:43	Link #44
X207 Gamyūsa Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Montreal	i find haruhi a bit weird because the random ep airing. but know the chronological order makes it much easier to follow

2006-09-16, 23:31	Link #45
Agent86 Yuki-ist and Hina-geek Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Los Angeles	I've watched it in Kyon order twice, once in Haruhi order, and once in strict chronological order. I've read that Tanigawa Nagaru (the author of the light novels) suggested to KyoAni that the episodes be done out of chronological order. Whether he did that or not, I think it was a great idea. It spreads the "exciting" events of Melancholy and the "wacky hijinks" of the later episodes through the entire run. It also adds a feeling of temporal befuddlement which probably matches the narrator's uneasiness with the events unfolding around him. Haruhi order drags around Lone Island Syndrome, but events are explained in a more linear fashion. Strict chronological also drags around Lone Island, and loses the successive "OMG" revelations about Adventures of Mikuru-run that you get with Haruhi or Kyon order. Someday In The Rain is not a great ending to the series, but since we all expect/hope/pray for (at least) a second season, it serves as a excellent interlude. So I'd say Kyon (more exciting) or Haruhi (clearer) order, but Adventures of Mikuru-run first whatever you do.

2006-09-27, 14:32	Link #47
Ultima_Rasengan05 Version 3.0 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hawaii Age: 36	anybody mentioned about watching The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya from only the 6 episodes that tell the real story?? like watching episodes 2,3,5,10,13,and 14 and after watching those 6, you can just watch the rest of the other episodes in any order if you want.... but i would recommend this only after you haved watched the episodes in Kyon's order first. I noticed this when i watched the series for a second time....since most of the other episodes were somewhat fillers to the real story behind Haruhi... just my opinion though

2006-09-27, 14:49	Link #48
Rin-Sama Banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Rin's apartment	Croniligical order would be the best. it maybe a chaotic series but that doesn't mean you should confuse the hell out of your audiance.

2006-09-29, 13:40	Link #50
Potatochobit Certified Organic Join Date: Dec 2005	the first time i went through the show i was very confused after episode 2. so the only thing i might change is to put a different episode after #2 that showed one of the characters developing their special talent, like maybe the missing computer person episode.

2006-10-02, 06:40	Link #54
dKiWi Devoted Haruhiist Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Singapore Age: 36	hmmm this seems QUITE interesting...

2006-10-02, 08:42	Link #55
Klashikari 阿賀野型3番艦、矢矧 Lv180 Graphic Designer Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Belgium, Brussels Age: 37	i made my post clearer. sorry for my bad english, kinda sucks, i know ~~ anyway, i'm trying the "haruhi' order to determine if there is something behind or just some "haruhi-ic" randomness

2006-10-04, 02:36	Link #56
0TaKu0 Tesseract Enigma Graphic Designer Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sunset Park Neighborhood, Brooklyn, Newyork. Age: 38	Mkay, This will Fix everything. Ok, just finished watching the whole thing, and i wrote this up as i watched. This will fix any questions and give all answer's to the order and whatever Klashikari might want to read this. Ok this contains alot of spoiler's so dont say i dident warn you, any way i tried my best to type it out to make it as understandable as possible, its 4 AM I'm very tired so excuse my spelling and grammer i dident really bother with it ^_^ if there any questions about this, or you have some contradiction to what i typed send me a PM or post here. Any way please click "Spoiler" Spoiler: Kyon/Aired EP 2 = Suzumiya EP 1 The Melancholy Of Suzumiya Haruhi I (One): These are all connected by titles and episode content i wont bother to type out how or why they are connected just watch it in this order and you'll see Kyon/Aired EP 3 = Suzumiya EP 2 The Melancholy Of Suzumiya Haruhi II (Two): These are all connected by titles and episode content i wont bother to type out how or why they are connected just watch it in this order and you'll see Kyon/Aired EP 5 = Suzumiya EP 3 The Melancholy Of Suzumiya Haruhi III (Three): These are all connected by titles and episode content i wont bother to type out how or why they are connected just watch it in this order and you'll see Kyon/Aired EP 10 = Suzumiya EP 4 The Melancholy Of Suzumiya Haruhi IV (Four): These are all connected by titles and episode content i wont bother to type out how or why they are connected just watch it in this order and you'll see Kyon/Aired EP 13 = Suzumiya EP 5 The Melancholy Of Suzumiya Haruhi V (Five): These are all connected by titles and episode content i wont bother to type out how or why they are connected just watch it in this order and you'll see Kyon/Aired EP14 = Suzumiya EP 6 The Melancholy Of Suzumiya Haruhi VI (Six) Alright, i wana talk a little bit about THIS episode (Kyon EP 14) = (Suzumiya EP 6) first let me connect this episode to the episode below it by saying, in the episode below this koizumi makes a little joke asking kyon how he got out of that "other world" (by kissing suzumiya ofcourse) Ok the other thing i want to say about this episode is, THIS episode is like a "Ending", you could ALMOST say that the whole "The Meloncholy Of Suzumiya Haruhi I (one) through VI (six) episode's is like a 6 episode OVA that ends with THIS episode but THIS IS NOT THE REAL ENDING Here's the proof, at the END of this very episode when the credits start to roll what do we see? we see a picture of suzumiya sticking her tounge out in a sketchy form drawing, and guess where that shot is from? the REAL ending which is (Kyon EP 9)=(Haruhi EP 14) ^^ Kyon/Aired EP 4 = Suzumiya EP 7 The Boredom Of Suzumiya Haruhi: Obviously this episode is connected to the one above because in this episode as i said Koizumi makes a joke asking how did they get out of the "other world" Kyon/Aired EP 7 = Suzumiya EP 8 Mysterique Sign: at the very start of this episode Kyon says after spending Tanabata in a state of melancholy Tanabata is held during July 7th every year, in the episode above this, they are in the month of june and it is clearly stated June -> July, hence this episode is connected to the one above this Kyon/Aired EP 6 = Suzumiya EP 9 Remote Island Syndrome (Part One): This and the one below this are the only two left for me to connect, ill connect both of these because right at the start of this episode suzumiya states their summer vacation trip has been decided ( The Episode (Kyon 7) = (Suzumiya 8) was held during July so, its summer break) hence these two are connected to the higher one. Kyon/Aired EP 8 = Suzumiya EP 10 Remote Island Syndrome (Part Two): Connection? Read above. Kyon/Aired EP 1 = Suzumiya EP 11 Miku-rin-rin Movie: After watching this episode, watch episode (kyon 12) = (Suzumiya 12) you will see how obvious that this episode (is really episode 11 and not 00), IT IS NOT EPISODE 00 because, if you check the ending of every episode where they show the preview to the next one, you will notice Haruhi's episode count is missing EPISODE 11, and in this episode at the end kyon goes "Uhh haruhi what was the number of this episode?" she ignores it and goes on about the next one. Also! @ The start of (kyon 12) = (Suzumiya 12) they show Miku-rin-rin movie, and @ 3:45 Kyon's friend mentions how he was in the movie and dident get payd for it. Also in episode (kyon 12) = (Suzumiya 12) right at the start he mentions how they made the movie OVER NIGHT, and dident get NO SLEEP, which means this episode was RIGHT before (kyon 12) = (Suzumiya 12), And, at the end of this episode Suzumiya mentions how this film will get them alot of shit @ the cultural festival. Making this episode (kyon 01 or 00 as others call it) is actully (Suzumiya 11) Kyon/Aired EP12 = Suzumiya EP 12 Live A Live. : Yakisoba, Mikuru's cosplay, proof that THIS episode (kyon 12) = (Suzumiya 12) is connected to the one under it, because in the next episode down there (kyon EP11) = (Suzumiya EP13) @ 5:05 mins, kyon mentions Asahina-san's maid cosplay during the festivle. Kyon/Aired EP 11 = Suzumiya EP 13 Day of Sagittarius. : @ 3:12 he mentions the season is Autumn, the next episode which is (kyon EP9) = (Suzumiya EP 14) it says its December so autumn is when winter is starting, also this is the episode the 4 laptops are bet in a contest, and won from the computer club. Kyon/Aired EP 9 = Suzumiya EP 14 Someday in the rain.: THIS IS ACTUALLY THE LAST EPISODE. It's December, Notice the laptops kyon looks at exactly 3:24 from (kyon EP 11) = (Suzumiya EP 13) that they won from the computer club. Notice how kyon keeps saying its been half a year like sence he meet them 3 times. Not to mention this episode has all the elements of a last episode, he looks at all the memorial stuff the baseball mitts, bats, balls, the pictures taken at the beach, the witherd tree, the PC they jackd, the 4 laptops, this episode shows every character, (the extra's) friends etc, (except asakura cause she was "deleted), and during the end, we finally see some "action" where hes asleep and wakes up catches haruhi next to him and she backs up, perhap's she was watching him, or (obviously put her jacket on him while he was sleeping), or leaning in for a kiss? <(doubt this one, i wish) XD but yea. One last element this episode has that proves this is a ending, is that its SHITTY, just like every other anime Usally tragic, or some what happy, or.. room left over for a sequel but never a perfectly happy ending. Also, for those who still say episode (Kyon EP 14) (Suzumiya EP 6) is the real ending, please watch that episode and look at the sketchy drawin picture of haruhi sticking her tounge out at the end when the credits roll then watch the ending of this episode. So this concludes that, there IS infact NO episode 00 the FIRST episode you see where they show the Miku-rin-rin movie is actully episode 11 (episode 11 in chronological order that is), AND Suzumiya Haruhi's Order is MOST DEFENETLY CHRONLOGICAL! While kyon's is the aired order, the ONLY time they match is with EPISODE 12, both are the same. and now its time for me to sleep, Ja~ __________________ Last edited by 0TaKu0; 2006-10-04 at 02:59.

2006-10-04, 05:27	Link #57
Klashikari 阿賀野型3番艦、矢矧 Lv180 Graphic Designer Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Belgium, Brussels Age: 37	i have read carefully your answers, but that wasn't really what i mean't ^^' i'm aware of the common chronological order, and i ended also in a "chronological" order like this (without spoiler, but lots of brainstorming like you did, some details and facts which give obvious hints about which episode should be the next, and so on) BUT, i was just pointing the fact that, saying "haruhi order" as the "chronological order" is plain incorrect, or not based on the same facts. in my case, i was only focusing on haruhi hint of the next episode, which is clearly messed. (the 2 loops, no direct connection between episode 02 => 03 => 05 => 10 => 13 => 14, etc ) this isn't supposed to (mis)lead another "true logic order", but the meaning of my post was demonstrating that haruhi gives nothing but a chaotic order. anyway, i'm aware that the true order is : 02 => 03 => 05 => 10 => 13 => 14 => 04 => 07 => 06 => 08 => 01 => 12 => 11 => 09 but like i stated above, haruhi gives an order like this : 01 // 02 // 11 => 12 => 05 => 09 => 04 => 03 => 08 => 10 => 13 => 06 => 08 => 14 so, we shouldn't mixing "haruhi order" and "chronological order", they ARE NOT THE SAME (although the topic used "aired" and "chronological" terms, lots of people still think that haruhi gives the chronological, which is false) Last edited by Klashikari; 2006-10-04 at 05:55.

2006-10-04, 12:47	Link #59
Klashikari 阿賀野型3番艦、矢矧 Lv180 Graphic Designer Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Belgium, Brussels Age: 37	mea culpa... sheesh, i was taking her numbers as the following one using the "aired numbers", i didn't expect haruhi telling the "next episode" its real number in fact. >_< sounds like i was tricked right like kyon ~~

2006-10-15, 03:15	Link #60
Sogoro Desu Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Everett, WA	I believe the concept developer, artist, writer or w/e their called did a great job on making it in the way that it was. It brings up alot of questions that keeps people, like myself, who like bizarre styles to keep watching. I had a "wtf?" moment when I first started watching. But overall I liked how the anime was put together.