2012-06-12, 05:30 | Link #463 | |
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P.S. I know only the PS2 version has it and the PC version if you use a patch. Last edited by chaos_alfa; 2012-06-12 at 12:39. |
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2012-06-12, 10:48 | Link #465 | |
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Besides as much as I dislike it HF was the most likely to be the main route considering F/HA takes part in that route. |
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2012-06-12, 11:24 | Link #466 | ||
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Anyway, Shirou reaches to the same conclusion of HF: the one you love > everyone else. That's how he met Saber again, by chasing after her all the time. As everyone else said, Fate was the only route lacking an epilogue. HF had one two years later. UBW sorta had one with Archer? Fate didn't. Nasu tacked it after you complete the game because Fate Shirou ditching everything after he wasn't showed so affected by Saber's loss in the route wouldn't have made sense without the answer he discovered in HF eventually. Quote:
Shirou in the UBW True End says aloud he doesn't have an answer yet. I suggest you to re-read it. Tiger Dojo spells aloud that neither Fate or UBW weren't supposed to be given answers for the life Shirou should lead. HF does. Last Episode is basically the same answer of HF only applied to a different heroine. Borrowed ideals are nice and all, but between saving strangers forever and chasing after the one I love to see her smile? The later, please. UBW Shirou would have eventually figure out the same if he had to choose between Rin and faceless masses. There weren't situations in UBW where he was truly tested in this way.
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2012-06-12, 11:42 | Link #468 | |
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Anyway, this discussion is dumb. There isn't a 'true' route, since they are all canon. In terms of what would fit as F/Z anime sequel, HF would more because in terms of atmosphere and overall themes that are addressed, likewise it has a sound conclusion in most plot threads. As for Saber... outcome. You'll see what's foreshadowed come next episodes. Dark Sakura is foreshadowed thanks to Dark Iri. Fate comes second. Unfortunately, they gloss over Gilgamesh's characterization into dull antagonist for a love interest. HF Gilgamesh is the one who comes closer characterization wise to his Zero persona. He's cut short, but this can remedy with some tweaks (remove slice of life and add more Gilgamesh). UBW is almost too disconnected from Fate/Zero narrative. It's great but just not fitting for F/Z continuation.
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2012-06-12, 11:58 | Link #469 | |
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Even so, I still agree HF is the closest to it in terms of atmosphere. |
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2012-06-12, 12:05 | Link #471 |
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Not really...? That's HF (aka the only route where Kiritsugu's real nature and conflict was present). Fate if you stretch it and add more about how Shirou was reunited with Saber.
You'll see when you reach the epilogue of FZ why UBW completely disregards Kiritsugu.
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2012-06-12, 12:13 | Link #474 |
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I have, but it's been so long I barely remember the specifics. Still, I remember enough that he seemed like he still embraced the ideal of being a hero. He just gave up on it himself. So he was happy when Shirou said he would do it instead.
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2012-06-12, 14:49 | Link #476 | |
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As for this "found an answer or not" business, the point is that Shirou is empty and lacks a self, and thus needs something to fill him and give him a sense of purpose. In UBW it's his ideal, whereas in HF he replaces it with his affection for Sakura. It's a different choice, but it doesn't make the ones reached in the previous routes a mistake, since, as you said, there is no true route and they are all equally canon. |
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