Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei LN - Archived Discussion

[Rava]

Originally Posted by babbo3d

isn't restoration one of his two birth magics plus gram dispersion is something he seems to be able to do thanks to ES and decomposition.

I mentioned both magics. Restoration == Self-Restoration.

Originally Posted by Rava

BS Magic is BS magic. Tatsuya is the type of BS magician who can only use BS magics normally. Without the mental operation from Miya, Tatsuya would not be able to use any magic other than the Decomposition Systematic Magics, the Gram magics (Gram Dispersion, Gram Demolition), and his restoration magics (Self-Restoration, Regrowth).

[babbo3d]

Originally Posted by Rava

I mentioned both magics. Restoration == Self-Restoration.

your right sorry because of the order i thought you where saying decomposition was his only BS magic.

[noobarta]

Question-Anyone know what's happening in this scene? Really curious

Spoiler for picture:

After going through several pages, all I can gather is Lina's she's a Strategic class mage/exchange student/spy. USNA sent her to take care of some vampiric virus which changes people, and also to hunt down Mahesvara since he's a possible threat. Lina's abilities range to something called Parade which can make her from elemental sight/appearance from what I gather. She also has an ability to generate/accelerate plasma but it's dangerous because well...it's plasma lol. And in the picture Tatsuya did something outrageous hence why she's so shocked? I'm just curious what he did this time :3

Also, is that a smoke grenade in upper right pic ?_?

[Rava]

Originally Posted by noobarta

Question-Anyone know what's happening in this scene? Really curious

Spoiler for picture:

After going through several pages, all I can gather is Lina's she's a Strategic class mage/exchange student/spy. USNA sent her to take care of some vampiric virus which changes people, and also to hunt down Mahesvara since he's a possible threat. Lina's abilities range to something called Parade which can make her from elemental sight/appearance from what I gather. She also has an ability to generate/accelerate plasma but it's dangerous because well...it's plasma lol. And in the picture Tatsuya did something outrageous hence why she's so shocked? I'm just curious what he did this time :3

Also, is that a smoke grenade in upper right pic ?_?

Spoiler:

That's probably the part when he tosses a grenade filled with buckshot at Lina while still being in range and WTFpwns her defensive magics.

[zp92]

Hi people!
I wanna ask you if you know if mahouka and nagi no asakura have some relation because I was reading in my anime list and I found the name of some characters are the same that in mahouka
Here the link

http://myanimelist.net/anime/16067/N...ara/characters

[Rava]

Originally Posted by elpobre113

Hi people!
I wanna ask you if you know if mahouka and nagi no asakura have some relation because I was reading in my anime list and I found the name of some characters are the same that in mahouka
Here the link

http://myanimelist.net/anime/16067/N...ara/characters

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...ra#post4560037

That's all we know.

[willx]

I'm wondering whether the cast listing was done incorrectly .. or I'm going to be quite afraid. It's listed as an original work, there is no magic or CADs being shown in the promotional PV and Satou Tsutomu isn't listed anywhere I can find as being involved in any way.

[Chimurry]

Originally Posted by babbo3d

your right sorry because of the order i thought you where saying decomposition was his only BS magic.

^Please: I will appreciate if you appoint the statements you consider wrong, adding quotes in controversial ones will be helpfull too, I feel boring reading pages of posts in threads which seems no one read the base discuss texts and become a bother trying to clear the point, cuz there's a lot more people which only read and don't made posts, here's comes time to time some users and just do as please and leave the mess, so if no one answer, others users (including Myself) could get wrong the LN.

So about Tats Birth Magic (btw: Yeah, as BS, He holds 2 types of Outer Systematic Magic):

Spoiler for Tats magic:

Vol 8, ch 14: Miya explain tatsuya Birth Magic:

--Okaa-sama didn’t so much as glance at the screen now showing Onii-sama.
“Tatsuya was born defective as a magician.”

Okaa-sama didn’t look at me either.

“It’s not that I feel no responsibility for bearing such a child, but the unchangeable fact was that Tatsuya was a hopeless case as a magician.”

That didn’t mean she had closed her eyes.

“From the time he was born, Tatsuya could use only two types of ‘magic’. Decomposition of Eidos, and reconstruction of Information Bodies. Within the concept of these two categories Tatsuya has devised a variety of techniques he can use, but however far you take them, with just those two, it is impossible to alter Information Bodies as a true magician should.”

Her eyes simply stared into nothingness.

“Magic are the techniques which modify Information bodies, and thus change phenomena. However trivial the change is, to be able to make the change at all is magic. But Tatsuya is unable to do that. All he can do is break an Information Body down, and recreate it back in an earlier state. That is not magic in its truest sense. That child, who was born without the talent to use magic in the true sense of the term in altering Information Bodies, is unquestionably a defective magician.”

Perhaps, what Okaa-sama was looking into, was her own heart……

“Well, that reconstruction ability did end up saving us, but strictly speaking that power is not ‘magic’.”

I did not refute her words.

But, I thought.

If that isn’t magic, then just what, should that power be called.

If it is to be given a name other than ‘magic’, then doesn’t that only leave the word ‘miracle’?

“But, we the Yotsuba are magicians who stand amongst the Ten Master Houses, and therefore one who cannot use magic cannot be a Yotsuba. That child, unable to use magic, could not live as one of the Yotsuba. So Maya and I, seven years ago, performed a certain operation on him. Although truth be told, the motivation behind that experiment wasn’t that alone……”

Experiment? Okaa-sama, on Onii-sama?

“The Artificial Magician Plan. A project to implant, in the consciousness of a person who isn’t a magician, a man-made magic operation area and thus give him the abilities of a magician.”

Artificial Magician Plan. Those words rang ominously in my ears.

“As a result of undergoing that mental reconstruction surgery, that child ended up losing his emotions.”

Mental reconstruction surgery? Lost his emotions?”

“No, rather than saying emotions it may be better to say urges. Strong anger, deep sorrow, intense jealousy, grudges, hatred, hungering appetite, sexual lust, blind love. Such ‘beside oneself’ impulses were lost, with one single exception, and in exchange Tatsuya obtained the ability to use magic.”

That means……

“Unfortunately, the artificial magic operation area is markedly inferior in performance to that of a natural one, and he could only end up being used as a Guardian.”

I won’t believe it, I thought.

There’s no way that could be, I thought.

“The one who performed that ‘surgery’……was it you, Okaa-sama?”

While thinking so, I couldn’t help but ask.

The large ‘window’ now showed Onii-sama, surrounded by well-built adults, making contact with the enemy landing force.

“Who else could do it but me?”

My sincerest wish, that she would deny it, was not to be.

I really should have known.

The Magic Operation Area is not a physical area in the cerebrum, but rather is a direct mental function.

Adding an artificial Magic Operation Area would therefore entail altering the mental structure.

That would be impossible without Okaa-sama’s magic, ‘Mental Structure Interference’……

“……Why, would you do that?”

“I’ve already told you the reasons. Let’s answer something more important you wish to know.”

[Meltyred]

Just read Chapter 14 of Vol 8:
So is Miya indifferent to Tatsuya because she thinks it is pointless to do so? Or is it cause of the experiment?

[Seitsuki]

I think the story is trying to hint that it was due to the experiment (maybe to make her seem a bit more sympathetic?) but to be honest, for her to go through with the experiment in the first place doesn't exactly sing her praises in regards to her initial love for him..

[Chimurry]

Originally Posted by Meltyred

Just read Chapter 14 of Vol 8:
So is Miya indifferent to Tatsuya because she thinks it is pointless to do so? Or is it cause of the experiment?

From my understand, due the surgery failure, Miya and Tats suffered damages, Tats took the worst.

Originally Posted by Seitsuki

I think the story is trying to hint that it was due to the experiment (maybe to make her seem a bit more sympathetic?) but to be honest, for her to go through with the experiment in the first place doesn't exactly sing her praises in regards to her initial love for him..

Well, She afterall is mother, its kind of complicated, from start, She lived when they where treated as pure bloods animals, crossing like that (I mean She just gave birth and have to start get pregnant), get using her magic to menace her life point (self destructive attitude), She marry a guy could probably never have minimum affection, and seems She have her issues with her aunt and Maya, is very usual Woman under this conditions take mental refuge with their child's, from start I though She did all that to trying revindicate Tatsuya and very probably her pride, but so far we don't known how was her lasts months, cuz after Vol 8 Miyuki seems to understand many things and expressing more accurate and fluent to Her mother.
I think in Yuutosei, Maya implies She promise look after the siblings when Miya past away.

[kagato3]

Originally Posted by Chimurry

From my understand, due the surgery failure, Miya and Tats suffered damages, Tats took the worst.

From the sound of it there was always going to be a price but it also sounded as if Miya and Tatsuya both agreed the one price he would not pay is his feelings for his sister. I do wonder how willing he was to give up his feelings for his mother as the only thing he has ever stated disliking about all of this is that he has no memories of living as a family ( I don't think he really has any memory loss he just never had the memories to Begin with, that is why in Vol 4 it claimed "No memories, only affection. Occasionally, Tatsuya would ruminate that memory loss probably felt akin to this. Of course, he was also aware that he didn't qualify for that condition.")

Well, She after all is mother, its kind of complicated, from start, She lived when they where treated as pure bloods animals, crossing like that (I mean She just gave birth and have to start get pregnant), get using her magic to menace her life point (self destructive attitude), She marry a guy could probably never have minimum affection, and seems She have her issues with her aunt and Maya, is very usual Woman under this conditions take mental refuge with their child's, from start I though She did all that to trying revindicate Tatsuya and very probably her pride, but so far we don't known how was her lasts months, cuz after Vol 8 Miyuki seems to understand many things and expressing more accurate and fluent to Her mother.
I think in Yuutosei, Maya implies She promise look after the siblings when Miya past away.

Add to this that Tatsuya may have been a completely willing participant. Keep in mind Miya believes the operation failed and he still could not be recognized as a Yotsuba and therefore not live as part of the family. Miyuki might not have been far off when she thought him being made her guardian as "for the sake of giving my magically-lacking brother a place in the Yotsuba." Even more so if the training level Tatsuya went through was not the level he was expected to go though, It is not out of character for him to go overboard when it comes to being able to protect Miyuki and Miyu's comment about him “Doing things his own way as usual……that child truly is defective.” does raise questions

Yuutosei shows some intresting dynamics in Maya's house. The first butler of the Yotsuba Family , and from what I have heard is implied to be Maya's Guardian, always adresses or referes to Tatsuya as dono ,even when speaking with Maya, the same level of respect he uses for one of the heads of the 10 master clans, a far cry from the the fourth butler of the Yotsuba Family seen in volume 3 who refused to even recognize him. Maya herself is hard to read (note I am only going by what has been translated and not summires) never looking down on Tatsuya beyond being too flashy at times.

[babbo3d]

Originally Posted by kagato3

From the sound of it there was always going to be a price but it also sounded as if Miya and Tatsuya both agreed the one price he would not pay is his feelings for his sister. I do wonder how willing he was to give up his feelings for his mother as the only thing he has ever stated disliking about all of this is that he has no memories of living as a family ( I don't think he really has any memory loss he just never had the memories to Begin with, that is why in Vol 4 it claimed "No memories, only affection. Occasionally, Tatsuya would ruminate that memory loss probably felt akin to this. Of course, he was also aware that he didn't qualify for that condition.")



Add to this that Tatsuya may have been a completely willing participant. Keep in mind Miya believes the operation failed and he still could not be recognized as a Yotsuba and therefore not live as part of the family. Miyuki might not have been far off when she thought him being made her guardian as "for the sake of giving my magically-lacking brother a place in the Yotsuba." Even more so if the training level Tatsuya went through was not the level he was expected to go though, It is not out of character for him to go overboard when it comes to being able to protect Miyuki and Miyu's comment about him “Doing things his own way as usual……that child truly is defective.” does raise questions

Yuutosei shows some intresting dynamics in Maya's house. The first butler of the Yotsuba Family , and from what I have heard is implied to be Maya's Guardian, always adresses or referes to Tatsuya as dono ,even when speaking with Maya, the same level of respect he uses for one of the heads of the 10 master clans, a far cry from the the fourth butler of the Yotsuba Family seen in volume 3 who refused to even recognize him. Maya herself is hard to read (note I am only going by what has been translated and not summires) never looking down on Tatsuya beyond being too flashy at times.

Was he willing nothing i read indicated this in the least.

[kagato3]

Originally Posted by babbo3d

Was he willing nothing i read indicated this in the least.

And yet nothing is shown that he was force into it either. All that was stated is that he was 6. Last I checked being 6 is not the same as haveing no free will.

Volume 4 shows one of his main desires was to be part of the family. Had the operation worked he would have been.

[SeaDam]

Originally Posted by kagato3

Last I checked being 6 is not the same as having no free will.

It is in most countries.

[babbo3d]

Originally Posted by kagato3

And yet nothing is shown that he was force into it either. All that was stated is that he was 6. Last I checked being 6 is not the same as haveing no free will.

Volume 4 shows one of his main desires was to be part of the family. Had the operation worked he would have been.

true a person has will no matter what age, whether it is respected is a different subject, in many occasion he has express or been implied displeasure at what has being done to him so i cannot think he willingly did it. In vol.4 they speak of the rift between him and the family he never expressed or implied the desire to be one of them. He was angry at how he was treated but who wouldn't, this those not equate to wanting to join the family but maybe i missed a part if it can be pointed out to me i would be grateful.

[kagato3]

Originally Posted by SeaDam

It is in most countries.

No, That only limits how much you can express it. Just because someone could easily be force into something doesn't mean they were.

Originally Posted by babbo3d

true a person has will no matter what age, whether it is respected is a different subject, in many occasion he has express or been implied displeasure at what has being done to him so i cannot think he willingly did it. In vol.4 they speak of the rift between him and the family he never expressed or implied the desire to be one of them. He was angry at how he was treated but who wouldn't, this those not equate to wanting to join the family but maybe i missed a part if it can be pointed out to me i would be grateful.

Spoiler for volume 4:

Even if they were siblings, Tatsuya and Miyuki only started living together three years ago. In other words, they became bona fide siblings only three years ago. Before that fateful summer three years ago, even if they were living under the same roof, they practically never interacted with one another. Their current proximity was something strictly forbidden by their mother just as she denied any normal sibling interaction. Still, that may have been something decided by the Yotsuba Family.

Tatsuya had no intention of sprouting any complaints on that regard. It's not like that function remained within his mental landscape. However, losing all his childhood memories about being treated like a family member was still galling, so saying that he was displeased would be right on the mark.

I believe the bolded part is a flat out statement that he wanted to be part of the family seeing as volume 8 states he couldn't be treated as a family member with out being a mage. Again I believe that he didn't lose any memories, he lost the chance to make them because the operation was not as successful as hoped. that is why it is stated Tatsuya would ruminate that memory loss probably felt akin to this. Of course, he was also aware that he didn't qualify for that condition.

And the only thing we have ever heard mention of that displeases him that is not caused by hurting or using Miyuki in some way is the bolded statement.

[babbo3d]

Originally Posted by kagato3

No, That only limits how much you can express it. Just because someone could easily be force into something doesn't mean they were.

Spoiler for volume 4:

Even if they were siblings, Tatsuya and Miyuki only started living together three years ago. In other words, they became bona fide siblings only three years ago. Before that fateful summer three years ago, even if they were living under the same roof, they practically never interacted with one another. Their current proximity was something strictly forbidden by their mother just as she denied any normal sibling interaction. Still, that may have been something decided by the Yotsuba Family.

Tatsuya had no intention of sprouting any complaints on that regard. It's not like that function remained within his mental landscape. However, losing all his childhood memories about being treated like a family member was still galling, so saying that he was displeased would be right on the mark.

I believe the bolded part is a flat out statement that he wanted to be part of the family seeing as volume 8 states he couldn't be treated as a family member with out being a mage. Again I believe that he didn't lose any memories, he lost the chance to make them because the operation was not as successful as hoped. that is why it is stated Tatsuya would ruminate that memory loss probably felt akin to this. Of course, he was also aware that he didn't qualify for that condition.

And the only thing we have ever heard mention of that displeases him that is not caused by hurting or using Miyuki in some way is the bolded statement.

If your family did that to you no matter how much you hated them wouldn't part of you think "how could they do that to their son/nephew" it does not mean you want to be part of them but it's not uncommon to think of such action as Galling, horrifying, or simply traumatic.

[Chimurry]

Originally Posted by kagato3

From the sound of it there was always going to be a price but it also sounded as if Miya and Tatsuya both agreed the one price he would not pay is his feelings for his sister. I do wonder how willing he was to give up his feelings for his mother as the only thing he has ever stated disliking about all of this is that he has no memories of living as a family ( I don't think he really has any memory loss he just never had the memories to Begin with, that is why in Vol 4 it claimed "No memories, only affection. Occasionally, Tatsuya would ruminate that memory loss probably felt akin to this. Of course, he was also aware that he didn't qualify for that condition.")



Add to this that Tatsuya may have been a completely willing participant. Keep in mind Miya believes the operation failed and he still could not be recognized as a Yotsuba and therefore not live as part of the family. Miyuki might not have been far off when she thought him being made her guardian as "for the sake of giving my magically-lacking brother a place in the Yotsuba." Even more so if the training level Tatsuya went through was not the level he was expected to go though, It is not out of character for him to go overboard when it comes to being able to protect Miyuki and Miyu's comment about him “Doing things his own way as usual……that child truly is defective.” does raise questions

Yuutosei shows some intresting dynamics in Maya's house. The first butler of the Yotsuba Family , and from what I have heard is implied to be Maya's Guardian, always adresses or referes to Tatsuya as dono ,even when speaking with Maya, the same level of respect he uses for one of the heads of the 10 master clans, a far cry from the the fourth butler of the Yotsuba Family seen in volume 3 who refused to even recognize him. Maya herself is hard to read (note I am only going by what has been translated and not summires) never looking down on Tatsuya beyond being too flashy at times.

There's something to be remind and be clear: Aiko (I think is His name), refer to Tatsuya as mere tool and "Fake or Artificial Magician", in other words: He try to despise and late insult in the worst way He can imagine, somehow I believe this guy work close with Shiba father and His attitude are as low as servant by will, trying to get points to his "master" with over reacting compliments or insults to people he think his master have the same, his accounts is to do the same with Miyuki, but She hate the most this kind of people, no mention the situation goes worse if the object of insults and mocks are her beloved Oni Sama.
Speaking of the family interactions, I was surprise the way Kurobane twins deal with Tats in the past, so far I think they don't have any recent encounter, except Tats see them exiting from their grandma house, but from the short dialogue between Tats and Miyuki I don't feel hate, even by Tats words, there's some nice affection, Miyuki memories come from see them was with affection too and remember how jealous She was, cuz the twins looks more close to Tats than Her (during the party).

[bloodyclaws]

Originally Posted by noobarta

Question-Anyone know what's happening in this scene? Really curious

Spoiler for picture:

After going through several pages, all I can gather is Lina's she's a Strategic class mage/exchange student/spy. USNA sent her to take care of some vampiric virus which changes people, and also to hunt down Mahesvara since he's a possible threat. Lina's abilities range to something called Parade which can make her from elemental sight/appearance from what I gather. She also has an ability to generate/accelerate plasma but it's dangerous because well...it's plasma lol. And in the picture Tatsuya did something outrageous hence why she's so shocked? I'm just curious what he did this time :3

Also, is that a smoke grenade in upper right pic ?_?

Believe he threw a fragmentation grenade point blank in front of him to destroy her magic.