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Arya · 2015-05-18, 02:41

mmm, first of all, Shinji needs to die of violent death preferably after being sexual harassed.
Secondly, I'm a bit miffed by Saber who left Rin alone to watch Emiya. ok, he was your previous servant and Tohsaka is Tohsaka, but still as a servant it was inconsiderate.
And I didn't get well why Emiya is so sure he is different from Archer, I mean, he barely put two and two together, but he is sure to not be the same as Archer. From what I got it looked like Archer showed him what he became thanks to their ideals and Emiya refused to accept it again thanks to their ideals, but since these ideals are one and the same it's like Emiya is running exactly over Archer's path. That is a bit sad, I'd prefer him to not end that way.

About the incoming fight at this point I can see Archer let Emiya win, since I can't see any other options (apart from ending his mana) he'd win over Archer. In any case whatever, do it fast that there are more serious business right now

Gan_HOPE326 · 2015-05-19, 16:07

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Best part of the episode, I thought. Long time coming, but totally worth it!

Honestly, it's a war to the death between mages and superpowered ghosts. I don't understand why Lancer would do that rather than just decapitate him in one fell swoop. Granted, that wouldn't be enough to make Gil disappear, but Lancer doesn't know that, does he?

Fizix · 2015-05-19, 17:51

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This is a series that shouldn't be watched without having a bunch of episode at one's disposal. This entire episode was a giant tease.

Indeed, this is why I tend to watch in blocks well behind airing. But I caught up. I also think it needs to be hour long episode format, 25 minutes is too short for the content, it makes it really disjointed and kills all the tension watching it as it airs.

* aside: why do we have a spoiler free forum for people who know nothing of the series and a free for all forum where stuff from the VN's is openly revealed? Its one extreme to the other. I don't know where to post.

Rising Dragon · 2015-05-19, 18:17

Basically, if you know anything about Fate/stay night, Fate/zero, etc... don't post in this section. This is for people who are completely new to this franchise, which watching this anime.

GreyZone · 2015-05-19, 19:36

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Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Basically, if you know anything about Fate/stay night, Fate/zero, etc... don't post in this section. This is for people who are completely new to this franchise, which watching this anime.

To be fair, in the spoiler thread we are posting about the ending of UBW without spoiler tags, so Fizix has a point.

Vegard Aune · 2015-05-20, 03:16

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To be fair, in the spoiler thread we are posting about the ending of UBW without spoiler tags, so Fizix has a point.

Yeah, and it's like... I've seen Fate/Zero. I know a fair bit about what happens in the Fate-route and some things that happen in the Heaven's Feel route (mostly because Fate/Zero assumes the viewer already knows those things). But I do not know what will happen for the rest of Unlimited Blade Works and I'd like to keep it that way (I was already spoiled ages ago on the fact that Archer is Shirou from the future, and if there was any plot-twist in this show I really would have liked to be surprised by when it happened in the show, it would be that one) so this thread is the only one I can go to... and it still means I have to tiptoe around quite a few things, like the whole "calling Gilgamesh Blondie"-thing... Ironically, after his name was revealed, suddenly Rin has taken to calling him Blondie as well...

chaos_alfa · 2015-05-20, 04:38

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Originally Posted by Fizix

Indeed, this is why I tend to watch in blocks well behind airing. But I caught up. I also think it needs to be hour long episode format, 25 minutes is too short for the content, it makes it really disjointed and kills all the tension watching it as it airs.

* aside: why do we have a spoiler free forum for people who know nothing of the series and a free for all forum where stuff from the VN's is openly revealed? Its one extreme to the other. I don't know where to post.

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Yeah, and it's like... I've seen Fate/Zero. I know a fair bit about what happens in the Fate-route and some things that happen in the Heaven's Feel route (mostly because Fate/Zero assumes the viewer already knows those things). But I do not know what will happen for the rest of Unlimited Blade Works and I'd like to keep it that way (I was already spoiled ages ago on the fact that Archer is Shirou from the future, and if there was any plot-twist in this show I really would have liked to be surprised by when it happened in the show, it would be that one) so this thread is the only one I can go to... and it still means I have to tiptoe around quite a few things, like the whole "calling Gilgamesh Blondie"-thing... Ironically, after his name was revealed, suddenly Rin has taken to calling him Blondie as well...

In that case you should use this thread:
F/SN UBW TV - Discussion/Speculation for Fate/Zero Anime-Only Viewers

Dengar · 2015-05-20, 13:06

I'd say that the viewerbase of this show is very diverse in terms of how informed they are. Shoving them all into their perfect niches is challenging to say the least.

blakstealth · 2015-05-23, 13:56

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Originally Posted by chaos_alfa

In that case you should use this thread:
F/SN UBW TV - Discussion/Speculation for Fate/Zero Anime-Only Viewers

I wish this was stickied at the top, too lol.

Nymbryxion · 2015-05-23, 20:31

'just because you're correct doesn't mean you're right"

...wat? -_-0

GDB · 2015-05-23, 20:37

Correct is objective.
Right is subjective.

Moekou · 2015-05-23, 20:41

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Originally Posted by Nymbryxion

'just because you're correct doesn't mean you're right"

...wat? -_-0

Just because Archer is correct that this is what blindly walking the path of heroisim is likely to lead to, doesn't mean what he is doing (trying to erase his own existence and deeming his own life worthless) is right. Shirou is saying that he understands Archer's argument and the cost of the patch, but he refuses to become the same as Archer, because he unlike Archer has not forgotten the wish to prevent the hell of that devastating night from repeating, and that even if it's a path to oblivion, saving people and making a difference is worth it.

Wandering Soul · 2015-05-23, 20:42

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Originally Posted by Nymbryxion

'just because you're correct doesn't mean you're right"

...wat? -_-0

Just because one is factually correct doesn't mean they are subjectively right. Archer's facts about what the path leads to may correct but his method of trying to avoid it and his claims Shirou will end up regretting it are not necessarily right.

Lorhand · 2015-05-23, 20:42

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Originally Posted by Nymbryxion

'just because you're correct doesn't mean you're right"

...wat? -_-0

Not what he actually said.

Well, or how someone else phrased it:

"You're right, but that's all you have right."

zero7090 · 2015-05-24, 01:02

Is it a thing or native english speaker dont have clear cut definition distinction between "correct" and "right". In my language "correct" is associate with a cold hard fact aka what a robot would choose, while "right" is about morality aka what a human would choose.

erneiz_hyde · 2015-05-24, 01:04

zero7090: Interesting. Can I ask what language you are speaking? afaik in English the words are synonymous and only different when you put them in different contexts.

Dengar · 2015-05-24, 03:13

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Originally Posted by Lorhand

Not what he actually said.

Well, or how someone else phrased it:

"You're right, but that's all you have right."

I think "just because you're correct doesn't mean you're right" covers the meaning of his words better than "You're right but that's all you have right.".

Gan_HOPE326 · 2015-05-24, 03:18

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Originally Posted by Dengar

I think "just because you're correct doesn't mean you're right" covers the meaning of his words better than "You're right but that's all you have right.".

Neither means anything, really. "Just because you're correct doesn't mean you're right" made me think that what he was saying was that while Archer's reasoning about the consequences of Shirou's philosophy was correct, he still was not right on a moral level. Which is not really what he was saying if the Japanese translation given above is true... the much more sensible "well, you may be right, but that's just ONE way things could go". Which is also a more logical thing at this point because it implies that Shirou believes he can still avoid turning into Archer. If he thought that was unavoidable then what good would being morally right do to him? He'd still be set on a path where ultimately he becomes a force for ideals he rejects.

Levani · 2015-05-24, 03:34

So, seems like everyone is on a consensus that "correct" is "right" are defined differently. While I did say this yesterday, I was told to put that "stick out from my arse", how nice. A little bit of thinking won't hurt the viewers.

I hate the DEEN's translator for starting the "People die when they're killed" culture. That isn't even the JP line and now hundreds of people are making this cliche joke with this episodes line that actually makes perfect sense.

Vegard Aune · 2015-05-24, 04:05

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Originally Posted by Levani

I hate the DEEN's translator for starting the "People die when they're killed" culture. That isn't even the JP line and now hundreds of people are making this cliche joke with this episodes line that actually makes perfect sense.

Yeah, I heard that the "People die when they're killed"-thing was grossly exaggerated, though what I heard was less "it's a mistranslation" and more "it makes sense in context"...
That said, for this episode I could definitely tell that the translation was off with that line. I still struggle to see what sort of conclusion Shirou even reached here though. He talked as though he's now found a way to move forward without becoming Archer in the end, but at the same time it sounds as if he's still going to do the same thing he was always planning on doing... which would result in him becoming Archer in the end... So... what has changed?

2015-05-18, 02:41	Link #81
Arya Senior Member Join Date: May 2004	mmm, first of all, Shinji needs to die of violent death preferably after being sexual harassed. Secondly, I'm a bit miffed by Saber who left Rin alone to watch Emiya. ok, he was your previous servant and Tohsaka is Tohsaka, but still as a servant it was inconsiderate. And I didn't get well why Emiya is so sure he is different from Archer, I mean, he barely put two and two together, but he is sure to not be the same as Archer. From what I got it looked like Archer showed him what he became thanks to their ideals and Emiya refused to accept it again thanks to their ideals, but since these ideals are one and the same it's like Emiya is running exactly over Archer's path. That is a bit sad, I'd prefer him to not end that way. About the incoming fight at this point I can see Archer let Emiya win, since I can't see any other options (apart from ending his mana) he'd win over Archer. In any case whatever, do it fast that there are more serious business right now __________________ *The meaning of things lies not in the things themselves, but in our attitude towards them.*

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Nymbryxion Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2014	'just because you're correct doesn't mean you're right" ...wat? -_-0

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zero7090 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007	Is it a thing or native english speaker dont have clear cut definition distinction between "correct" and "right". In my language "correct" is associate with a cold hard fact aka what a robot would choose, while "right" is about morality aka what a human would choose.

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Levani 貴方が私のマスターか？ Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Georgia, Tbilisi	So, seems like everyone is on a consensus that "correct" is "right" are defined differently. While I did say this yesterday, I was told to put that "stick out from my arse", how nice. A little bit of thinking won't hurt the viewers. I hate the DEEN's translator for starting the "People die when they're killed" culture. That isn't even the JP line and now hundreds of people are making this cliche joke with this episodes line that actually makes perfect sense.