Claymore Chapter 95

[Seska]

Originally Posted by Yoko Takeo

Maybe so, but the AF's are programmed to target only a specific awakened one. They're not gonna touch someone who'se smell is different from that which they're trained to recognize. Right now, they're targeting Duff and Riful. I doubt they would touch Alicia. She was already awakened although directed by Beth and the AF's still weren't attacking her.

And we should not forget, when they are only 4 AF's alive. They will return for "refill" to the Org. We saw that on Isley last T oughts. Has someone count how many are already down of the AF's? Perhaps that was the idea of Alicia. Force the AF's to retreat to gain some Time for Riful, to help her Sister. But the Parasite was faster. But i tell you my thought. I think Beth can be saved. If Alicia is now confused. Have an 95% Awakened Body, but now take the Mind of Beth inside her Own. So 5% are Human mind of them Both. They defeat Beth's offspring (btw, must it be the Womb?, other part had done the trick, too), regenerate Beth's Original Body. Or make an Twin copy of Alicia's body (They are Twins) and Alicia and Beth can separate after that, into their own Hosts. Or Riful knows it, and do this all to gain an Powerful new Ally. She already lost her "Experiment" and now that she is handicap. A new Powerful "Pet" would be nice. Since Dauf, needs his little time, too.
But anyway, Yagi has surprised the readers in the past, today and i bet in the Future.

But at last, he turned the Wheel more power up, where the Anime left. Congrats Sir Yagi

and Yagi, is not a lazy men drinking Sake. Claymore is not his only Manga, with a Good Stuff in background he can work on many others at the same time. And he is a Person, that give this Stuff Members Work, in time like this. So please has a bit more Respect, thanks (i say this because of my Age)

[Tsuyoshi]

Originally Posted by Seska

And we should not forget, when they are only 4 AF's alive. They will return for "refill" to the Org. We saw that on Isley last T oughts. Has someone count how many are already down of the AF's? Perhaps that was the idea of Alicia. Force the AF's to retreat to gain some Time for Riful, to help her Sister. But the Parasite was faster. But i tell you my thought. I think Beth can be saved. If Alicia is now confused. Have an 95% Awakened Body, but now take the Mind of Beth inside her Own. So 5% are Human mind of them Both. They defeat Beth's offspring (btw, must it be the Womb?, other part had done the trick, too), regenerate Beth's Original Body. Or make an Twin copy of Alicia's body (They are Twins) and Alicia and Beth can separate after that, into their own Hosts. Or Riful knows it, and do this all to gain an Powerful new Ally. She already lost her "Experiment" and now that she is handicap. A new Powerful "Pet" would be nice. Since Dauf, needs his little time, too.
But anyway, Yagi has surprised the readers in the past, today and i bet in the Future.

But at last, he turned the Wheel more power up, where the Anime left. Congrats Sir Yagi

and Yagi, is not a lazy men drinking Sake. Claymore is not his only Manga, with a Good Stuff in background he can work on many others at the same time. And he is a Person, that give this Stuff Members Work, in time like this. So please has a bit more Respect, thanks (i say this because of my Age)

I think she's killed them all off, but whether she has or hasn't killed them would still buy Riful time to help her recover and save Beth, as you say. However, why would Alicia try to get Riful to help her? Her objective had been to kill her. If she still has some sense of humanity left in her, then she would most likely still treat Riful as an enemy. Alicia and Beth have a one track mind, and the track they run on is created by the organization. Her human side is probably still tergeting Riful, but her awakening is making her going berserk and she's not making the difference between friend and foe as a result. Ergo, the AF's bite the dust. If she wanted to save Beth, I think she would rather save her alone rather than relying on help from an enemy. That's just how I see it.

[MalakTawus]

Originally Posted by Seska

And we should not forget, when they are only 4 AF's alive. They will return for "refill" to the Org. We saw that on Isley last T oughts. Has someone count how many are already down of the AF's? Perhaps that was the idea of Alicia. Force the AF's to retreat to gain some Time for Riful, to help her Sister. But the Parasite was faster. But i tell you my thought. I think Beth can be saved. If Alicia is now confused. Have an 95% Awakened Body, but now take the Mind of Beth inside her Own. So 5% are Human mind of them Both. They defeat Beth's offspring (btw, must it be the Womb?, other part had done the trick, too), regenerate Beth's Original Body. Or make an Twin copy of Alicia's body (They are Twins) and Alicia and Beth can separate after that, into their own Hosts. Or Riful knows it, and do this all to gain an Powerful new Ally. She already lost her "Experiment" and now that she is handicap. A new Powerful "Pet" would be nice. Since Dauf, needs his little time, too.
But anyway, Yagi has surprised the readers in the past, today and i bet in the Future.

But at last, he turned the Wheel more power up, where the Anime left. Congrats Sir Yagi

and Yagi, is not a lazy men drinking Sake. Claymore is not his only Manga, with a Good Stuff in background he can work on many others at the same time. And he is a Person, that give this Stuff Members Work, in time like this. So please has a bit more Respect, thanks (i say this because of my Age)

Your theory seems crazy to me.If Beth dies she dies.Stop.
It's true that Alicia and Beth can Soul-link,but i doubt that Beth can separate her soul from her body.If her body dies she dies.

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Originally Posted by elyK

Going off of the vague scene we had of Luciela/Rafaela soul link experiment, I wonder how long the soul link must be compromised before Alicia would completely awaken in this scenario and more than likely be "lost". Any ideas?

There is a possibility that Alicia won't awaken, that Beth will end up putting Alicia back into a partially awakened body similar to the one Clare had. Think about what Riful wanted: An Ally, preferably a child, who is only slightly weaker than her. Now, I never went a long with MisterJB claim that Alicia was killing Riful, that Alicia is the stronger Awakened Being, because that was early on in the fight and Riful had already taken Damage before the fight. But if Alicia was close to the level Riful was a little higher or a little lower, then if Alicia ends up in a partially awakened state she could be a bit weaker than Riful, which is what Riful said she wanted.

Originally Posted by Vinak

trained martial artists can strike faster than a cobra. it's been proven.

It's a special move called Kachu Tenshin Amaguriken.

Originally Posted by Cyclone

Government workers strike even faster - and more often!
I think they must have a factory for picket signs somewhere...

We need to edit that picket sign to say "Want Raws Now!"

[Ulquihorror]

I'm really intrigued by Deneve's words. She said that she feels her yoki level is always at its maximum ever since she released for the first time in seven years.

Her yoki level is at its maximum, yet it seems that she's not really bothered as she is not struggling to keep it low. It's as if she was confident in her ability to advance further in her yokipool without rescenting the effects of an awakening, even if she's at her limit.


meow

[Anima]

Originally Posted by Cyclone

Strange... I don't recollect being part of that "everyone" last chapter....
And I've also liked Riful since she was introduced (best arc in the series so far).

huh?! Are you serious? or Teresa's arc is just bestest!?

As far as theories go, I also think that Beth/Alicia are helping Riful so she can get that rod off Beth. Is Alicia conscious of what's happening? I think yes. Beth's role in soul-link is preserving her sisters soul from turning into a yoma. Alicia has her own conscious. Not an AB like but a human with AB powers. So yes, Alicia is struggling to keep her conscious............

Hmm... after writing all of this, if Beth indeed had control over Alicia or Alicia had her own conscious, she would simply help Beth instead of relying on Riful to make such a risky decision. I'd say Alicia is on a frenzy.

[Cyclone]

Oh, don't get me wrong. I LOVE the Teresa Arc, but when I read it, it's always a bit of a downer knowing what's about to happen.
Galatea-sama's Arc on the other hand is pure win.

[Sephiroth_760]

Originally Posted by Anima

Is Alicia conscious of what's happening? I think yes. Beth's role in soul-link is preserving her sisters soul from turning into a yoma. Alicia has her own conscious. Not an AB like but a human with AB powers. So yes, Alicia is struggling to keep her conscious............

Hmm... after writing all of this, if Beth indeed had control over Alicia or Alicia had her own conscious, she would simply help Beth instead of relying on Riful to make such a risky decision. I'd say Alicia is on a frenzy.

http://www.onemanga.com/Claymore/62/20/

I don't think that Alicia is really conscious of what she's doing
Alicia is entrusting her spirit to Beth, like said in that page
and what if Beth is not holding her spirit anymore, means got attacked like in chapter 95?
what's with Alicias spirit? there's nobody to control her spirit anymore, she's simply a awakened one and since she doesn't know anything but how to fight, what remains in Alicia?

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Well the 'human' consciousness usually never controls an awakened being. In the chapter with Clare being in Rafaela mindscape, we learn a bit about the awakening process. I don't think it was unique to Rafaela alone, but is true in general. It explains why some Claymores gradually awaken outside of combat. Anyway the way I see it, once someone becomes a Claymore they have their 'human' consciousness which is in control, but there is also a seperate awakened consciousness that begins to form. Riful for example is not the same person she was as a claymore, she is another consciousness that awoke and inherited all the human consciousness memories and feelings, and so it thinks that it is the human consciousness enlightened. Anyway, why do you think we probably have two different Priscillas? The one horn monster that both Clare and Ophelia witnessed was the awakened consciousness, but I think somewhere along the line Priscilla's regressed human consciousness took control of her awakened body and couldn't handle the hunger, feeding and guilt that came along with being an awakened being. Anyway, with a soul link, it may be possible to put or keep the human consciousness in a partially awakened body or fully awakened body. It may even be a possibility that Beth could suck out into herself Alicia's awakened consciousness as a final act of love, making sure that only the 'human' consciousness remains in that body.

Who knows, but I love all the theoretical possibilities here and hope that Yagi chooses one of 'em.

[Gooral]

As for Deneve's words, I don't see how not releasing youki for seven years could boost up the pool of youki she could use. What's strange Deneve said "first time in seven years" but a moment earlier (when fighting Isley) she had already used her youki. IMO what really did matter was the fact that for the 3rd time (at least, first time we didn't see but it was the reason she was sent to death, second time was in slasher's arc and 3rd after fight with Isley unless there was a case we don't know of) she went over her limit. Somehow neither Cynthia or Yuma didn't make a comment like that.

I wonder how would (will?) awakened Beth look like. Would she be relatively small like Alicia or even identical like her or is it possible she would be as big as Isley?

[SagaraSouske]

I agree that awakened consciousness is different from the original human consciousness that claymore possesses. I disagree on two points:

1. human consciousness cannot control awakened body. The story is most likely going toward a conclusion of Clare retain her human consciousness and awaken. Thus she will have to control her awakening and awakened form with her human self. Soul link imo is already a process to do that by sharing the human and awaken consciousness across the link, allowing human consciousness to exert control over awakened body. Clare will learn much from the soul link process to achieve what she needed.

2. Priscilla didn't regress to her human consciousness. She is an awakened being that learned what it is to be human. Her past memories and her current experience taught her how to be close to a human - Raki, which I think she treats as her lost father. But the AB parts are still there - the reaction towards Renee for example.

[SagaraSouske]

Denev didn't say first time. What she said was: "Ever since I released youki after suppressing it for seven years."

[Methuselah]

All I know is that Ritful will tear Dauf apart after this. *Smexy XD

[Shiek927]

Originally Posted by thousandmonster

They won't know Priscilla is even there until she attacks them. Priscilla is an expert in suppressing her youki. No one is good at it than her; Renee is the eye for the organization and she didn't know jack that Priscilla was an awakened being until she touched her. These new monters are no different, they'll be dispose of immediately, just like how Alicia did to the Abyssal Feeders.

Unless you believe in Sagara's theory that the rods home in on youki targets. If they do, then Raciella is easily the best Eye right now - maybe the best eye their ever was.

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On the topic of Priscilla's personalities, I do Priscilla will slowly recover mentally and her life and memories before her awakening will return. In terms of 'how many personalities" we've seen from her, I believe their have been three and only three: the one before she awakened(let's call her "Claymore Priscilla" for simplicity), when she fully awakened, and afterwards. Some people see her semi-awakened state(when she blamed Teresa for her family's death) and her fully-awakened state as two different personalities, I do not. As soon as she started crying and blaming Teresa for her father's death is when Claymore Priscilla ceased to exist and it was her Awakened side, she was practically fully awakened at the time anyway. She didn't kill Teresa because she thought she was protecting humans, she killed Teresa because she blamed her for her family's death. The Priscilla that fought Teresa in the town and the semi-awakened one who chopped off her head are very different people. The only brief moment Priscilla was "Claymore Priscilla" was when she asked Teresa to kill her, but that was only briefly and even then, it's questionable.

Right now, for simplicity's sake, their are only 2 personalities or 2 Priscillas: the good one and the evil one. The good one is different then the ones we've seen before(Claymore Priscilla for example) because of her amnesia. I predict/believe that as time goes by and she improves mentally despite weakening herself, she will begin remembering everything that happened during the Teresa arcs and everything before she awakened. In essence, she's going back to how she used to be, but with the memory, experience and knowledge of what happened and what she did.

The second is no surprise: The Awakened Side of her, the one that taunted and killed the Slayers. Nothing special other then it's the monstrous side inside every Awakened and completely sadistic, the side that's sapping her strength and weakening her and making her want to eat that scrumptious morsel who sleeps with her. This side of her I believe will be seen again sooner or later, cliche or no.

Got more posts on this scattered around.

[zato_1one]

I believe that Raciella shot those rods randomly but it might be that those rods could find the source of power by themselves just like Isley's arrow. When I said the source of power, I think it might not limit to only Yoki. Every living creature could be used as the source of power, I guess.

Oh Seska! Long time no see. I'm surprised to see you again. I think that I haven't seen you since, may be, when the anime ended?

[Shiek927]

I'm not aware if anyone already knows, but Gernot's translations are finally out

[Torri_fay_torren@hot]

I really like how Deneva and Helen are listening to Clare. I know they have long since recoginsed her strength but now it really shows how much they trust her and stuff. Do you know what I mean? It just hit me in this chapter how much everybody has changed.

[Arkham]

Originally Posted by Torri_fay_torren@hot

I really like how Deneva and Helen are listening to Clare. I know they have long since recoginsed her strength but now it really shows how much they trust her and stuff. Do you know what I mean? It just hit me in this chapter how much everybody has changed.

Yep, now Calre can make fun of THEM! *payback

[Fenrir_valindri]

Originally Posted by Torri_fay_torren@hot

I really like how Deneva and Helen are listening to Clare. I know they have long since recoginsed her strength but now it really shows how much they trust her and stuff. Do you know what I mean? It just hit me in this chapter how much everybody has changed.

I noticed it back when they were comparing Miria and Clare's respective strengths. A bunch of other people were just saying that they had blatant favoritism for Miria, when I actually considered it quite impressive that Deneve and Helen were basically admitting Clare was the only one who could compete with Miria.

[camilla]

Originally Posted by Gangsta Spanksta

The translator added a 'g' in Alicia sound bubble, but the Raw has the exact same kanji.

Not to nit-pick but it should be a hiragana character -- not a kanji, Gangsta.

Originally Posted by zato_1one

I believe that Raciella shot those rods randomly but it might be that those rods could find the source of power by themselves just like Isley's arrow. When I said the source of power, I think it might not limit to only Yoki. Every living creature could be used as the source of power, I guess.

Following Priscilla's comment in chapter 93, according to which Raciella has no desire for meat, it is highly probable that her offspring will only be using their strength to destroy every thing and every living being they encounter and would require to feed off youki alone in order to prolong their existences and spread their attacks throughout the insular continent.

Originally Posted by Torri_fay_torren@hot

I really like how Deneva and Helen are listening to Clare. I know they have long since recoginsed her strength but now it really shows how much they trust her and stuff. Do you know what I mean? It just hit me in this chapter how much everybody has changed.

It is something that has positively struck me as well and I particularly liked how they stressed the deep caring and concern for one another by keeping on calling their names.