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View Poll Results: Clannad - Episode 22 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 211 | 60.81% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 49 | 14.12% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 23 | 6.63% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 20 | 5.76% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 19 | 5.48% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 3 | 0.86% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 3 | 0.86% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 2 | 0.58% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 3 | 0.86% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 14 | 4.03% | |
Voters: 347. You may not vote on this poll |
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2009-03-13, 13:11 | Link #221 |
I don't give a damn, dude
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: In Despair
Age: 37
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@Nosauz,
Trust me, I understand how you feel, but no need to keep ranting on ad nausem. It's not going to help you make your point further so much as it'll make you seem just like certain people when their favourite series gets trashed. On another note, I've caught myself humming Dango Daikazoku two or three times tonight after watching this episode. |
2009-03-13, 13:13 | Link #222 | |
Tomoyo/Kotomi/Fuko fan
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Poland
Age: 37
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2009-03-13, 13:20 | Link #223 | |
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Join Date: Feb 2009
Age: 35
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I'm skeptical enough when it comes to the news so I just feel that giving anime more room to work with is important when watching a series or else the viewer will never be satisfied from any work. |
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2009-03-13, 13:21 | Link #224 |
Obscure Unknown
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Canada, I think...
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Very good ending, and told a lot from the way they chose to execute it.
I especially like the fact that they went to visit Tomoya's grandmother, since it is confirmation that Tomoya did go to visit his father is the ending. When I first heard of the fact they they would go back and have Nagisa survive, I was initally worried that Tomoya's family would be a loose end that they'd forget to deal with. Good to see they proved me wrong. The end portion with Fuuka and her sister was great. I thought it was pointless, but a nice anticlimatic way to allow us to forget all the tension from the previous episodes. -K |
2009-03-13, 13:40 | Link #225 | |
"with you, happiness"
Join Date: Jan 2007
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First and Last.
If I ever had a chance to meet this person in real life, I would love to have a deathmatch :Heart: Next. Quote:
On topic. Seeing this animated is turning me into a fanboy. I was thinking on which one should I replay 1st. CLANNAD or Tsukihime. I need to meet Ushio again, apparently. After that I can die happily. Edit:Preview. Official Another Story Clannad: Hikari Mimamoru Sakamichi de. 光見守る坂道で Chapter 1? Masaka?!
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2009-03-13, 13:42 | Link #226 | |
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And I still have to raise Mai Hime as an example of a supernatural world where such a deus ex ending was possible and even forseeable thanks to everything we've seen before and where people still got upset because it damaged the initial themes of the series by bringing characters back to life. I don't see why it should be any different for Clannad when one considers it as a convolution of themes. Seriously why the sudden defense of this sort of ending event when it's been a major issue for other shows this past year. I'll raise another example, Nunally turning up alive in Code Geass with a perfectly valid explanation that was also shown to us in the episodes in question where it was relevant, and people still had a huge issue with it. And this wasn't even a convolution of themes or somebody literally being allowed to come back to lie, this was just a fakeout and it resulted in some serious butthurt. In contrast I suppose the only thing you can say as far as Clannad goes is that because Key has pulled this gimmicky sort of happy ending in the past and that somehow that makes it more acceptable and forseeable. I'll never understand what makes this ending so okay and so amazingly perfect in so many other people's eyes compared to other thematically convoluted endings. I'm going to just have to chalk it up to it being KeyAni again and the usual insta-praise and cries of "masterpiece" that go with this reality, because if this were any other story by any other companies I could not forsee this kind of ending escaping without at least some scorn. Last edited by Kaioshin Sama; 2009-03-13 at 13:59. |
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2009-03-13, 13:47 | Link #227 |
RUN, YOU FOOLS!
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Formerly Iwakawa base and Chaldea. Now Teyvat, the Astral Express & the Outpost
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He was talking about the life after the choice, the relationship between wife and husband then father and daughter, not the ending. He did say "as realistically as possible". This means, as close to reality that an anime where comatose girls send their ghosts to school, cats turns into shoutas and suitcase surviving a plane crash get passed around the world until it reaches an orphan can afford it.
How the hell are you denying that? What do YOU need more? If you just say that for the sake of "being indie and different", I'll answer with my middle finger and say I can be part of the herd for all I care. Because I want to enjoy a story for what it was. And that was what Clannad did to me. |
2009-03-13, 13:52 | Link #228 |
iceman
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Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: CO, USA
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I thought it was THE best ending of anime I ever watched, though there surely is bias due to how much I like this anime.
The completeness I felt even as I watched the ending was such an amazing sensation. Throughout the episode, electricity when through my body so many times (know what I mean?), especially when I finally understood the illusionary world. I won't really comment on the content of the episode, I don't really want to; maybe because of the beauty of it all. And other people have already done that in detail. I have never before thought of wishing to be able to rank higher than 10/10, higher than perfect, but I do so now. I feel ever so satisfied. Until my emotions for this anime calm down to normal levels, this anime shall be the greatest anime in my book.
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2009-03-13, 13:55 | Link #229 | |
Misuzu & Kotomi Protector
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Location: Philippines
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I'm an optimistic person so I don't close my mind to every possibility that can happen. I mean, weird or not, if it's possible to exist, then it exist. If it's possible to happen, the it can happen. |
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2009-03-13, 14:09 | Link #230 |
Gone for Good
Join Date: Apr 2004
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And I was wondering where our friend Kaioshin had disappeared off to the past few weeks, seems like he's been saving up on plenty of ammo just for this, having a go at the series with every opportunity he gets. And the ending has provided him with ample supply to go all guns blazing and doing what he does best whenever it involves Kyo-Ani: bashing them.
Now don't get the wrong idea, I'm through getting worked up with his methodical bashing of Kyo-Ani ages ago, my time is better spent elsewhere, but it doesn't mean I hate him at all. Hell, I've even pos-repped him numerous times. So no offense, okay? VRMN, just noticed your post, most informative. Mind if I use it for the pending "Ending Explained" thread please? http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...&postcount=152 Oh, and I forgot to mention: Kyo-Ani has given faces to side characters that would otherwise be unseen, who could forget the epic trap that is Shima-kun? Though their most impressive side characters has got to be Nishina and Sugisaka, for some reason, everytime I see these two cute girls together, I think "yuri". There's even a DVD volume cover with them all cuddly. In the epilogue, they're even living together. What're they trying to insinuate? lol (Please ignore the rabid yuri-delusional ramblings of this user. ) |
2009-03-13, 14:10 | Link #231 | ||
Homo Ludens
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Canada
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2009-03-13, 14:17 | Link #233 | |||
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And on some levels I do enjoy Clannad for what it is, yet on other levels I cannot, this is again why I can't give this series anything even approaching a masterpiece nod. I know I've mentioned this before, but 10/10's don't come easy from me and my final evaluations mix hits and misses in a way that seems dead as a far as anime reviewing goes these days. If you want me to leave you with a hit then I felt the show was very prettily animated compared to your average VN adaptation. In fact it left your average VN adaptation in the dust animation wise. Quote:
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2009-03-13, 14:23 | Link #234 |
Gamilas Falls
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Republic of California
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As with all ending, it depends greatly on how the outcome was handled. If the ending is handled well, it doesn't feel as forced or convoluted, but more feels like it should be this way.
The other convoluted endings you refer to seem to fit in the catagory of poorly executed use of the convoluted ending. If the ending is disjointed, in poor taste, or doesn't really playout all that well, it will get scornful treatment. If the ending works out because it fits in or feels deserved by the viewers, then it will mostly escape any sort of scorn. This is just the nature of things. Clannad comes off rather well as the feeling of "they deserved it" comes into play mixed with the shows themes and the ongoing use and explainations of the Imaginary World/Light Orbs/Town concept.
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2009-03-13, 14:29 | Link #235 | |||
RUN, YOU FOOLS!
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2009-03-13, 14:30 | Link #236 | |
Misuzu & Kotomi Protector
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Philippines
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Fact: Episode 21 is an END (PAD END) Fact: Episode 22 is also an END (Alternative end that branch from Nagisa delivering Ushio.) They didn't magically (poop) become alive. This is were you apply Theory of Everything+Magical blah blah (that you probably hate) here. If you think they lived happily ever after. Then remember Fuuko's last message about "Happy things, and enjoyable thing will start now." (I'm a forgetful person so correct me if that's wrong) She's not really saying everything will go well, because FACT: Anything can go wrong in a seemingly flawless happy life. |
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2009-03-13, 14:35 | Link #237 | |
#1 in ♦YouR♦ ♥HuRt♥ ♂
Join Date: Aug 2006
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Is this true? I though THIS was the real ending because of the thread Episode 22 Discussion / Poll [END], but episode 21 doesn't say END. |
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2009-03-13, 14:42 | Link #238 | |
Misuzu & Kotomi Protector
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Philippines
Age: 41
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The two episodes left are just extra episodes. Like a filler but a meaningful (probably?) one. Why do you think "TOMOYO AFTER" exist? It's a story that complete branches away from CLANNAD's After Story. CLANNAD After Story is about Nagisa, Ushio and Tomoya, it's also known as "TOMOYA+NAGISA AFTER" |
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2009-03-13, 14:44 | Link #239 | |
"with you, happiness"
Join Date: Jan 2007
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The game ended (you return to title as episode 21 material ended). You replay after story portion of the VN up 2 episode 16, where you are now given a choice, to call out to Nagisa. Ep 22 Material, start.
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2009-03-13, 14:46 | Link #240 | |
#1 in ♦YouR♦ ♥HuRt♥ ♂
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I mean it even says To be Continue at the end lol. |
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