High School DxD [LN/M] - Discussion about Other Topics

[Lucidrago]

Well Madgaran was a rare case. And Sairaorg vs Cao Cao was in a DX volume. Everyone else is limited to really short chapters or short parts of a main chapter.

Unless It's useful for the long run, Ishibumi really won't go into any of the factions in deep detail. He'll give us tidbits but That's really it.

[godz]

a joke without grace, I hate the song because of the over-importance it has.

[DragonOsman]

Ise is the Oppai Dragon and the song fits him. That's all.

[Darksider555]

Originally Posted by aw454wtr

Actually saji has many viritra type SG put into him, not just 4, all the viritra types are classified into 4 categories

qoute from vol 7

"[When Vritra was exterminated and then sealed into the Sacred Gear, he had his soul split into many layers. Because of that, there are many Vritra-type Sacred Gear possessors. But if you were to group them, there are four types of [Absorption Line], [Blaze Black Flare], [Delete Field], and [Shadow Prison]. These Sacred Gears were hidden with each possessor with some differences. And our organisation, Grigori, retrieved them and put the Vritra-type Sacred Gears that we kept into Saji-kun. Being in contact with you resulted in Vritra’s consciousness starting to appear, so Azazel predicted that all of the Vritra-type Sacred Gears might be able to become one.] "

I assume that there are more people who each have one of these types of Vritra type Sacred Gears. The Grigori must have collected them & kept them in storage. Luckily with Issei's help, Saji was able to begin awakening Vritra, then he recieved the other Vritra type Sacred Gears.

It seems that Vritra has a lot of control technique type moves which make him formidable despite his low amount of raw power among the Dragon King's

1. [Blaze Black Flare]- Seem to be his attack type Sacred gear which would fall under the Elemental/Attribute type.
   
2. [Absorption Line]- Seems to be related to State Change, in which he can depower & weaken his opponent while empowering himself.
   
3. [Delete Field]- Seem to be related to Sealing, in which he supresses his opponents abilities.
   
4. [Shadow Prison]-Seems to be related to Sealing, in which he can entrap his oppoents.

It seems to me that the Grigori could be collecting the Sacred Gears of the deceased which is how they obtained the other Vritra Sacred Gears. Probably involving the same ritual that Raynare used. But it seems that if it would be used on a living being it kill them since Sacred Gear possessors cannot live if their Sacred Gears are extracted.

[DragonOsman]

Yeah, it seems like Saji has all of them now. I hope he does.

[B214]

He doesn't he only has 4. Ishibumi in his blog confirmed that there's other subspecies Vritra gears that doesn't belong to Saji.

[DragonOsman]

Why does the LN say something that seems contradictory to Ishibumi's blog? I don't like it. Ishibumi should've been clearer in the LN as well. Anyway, I do think Saji at least has all of the ones with a fragment of Vritra's consciousness either way.

[Lucidrago]

And It's a regular Sacred Gear, so there are copies of them. Well we don't know how rare the Vritra Sacred Gears are, there are others that possess Vritra Sacred Gears to be sure.

The others might just be slight variations. I don't know if that meant that there are only those four types of Vritra Sacred Gears and some of them in base form are subspecies but is still the same Sacred Gear with slight variations(like Siegfried's Twice Critical). Or there are more than those four Vritra Sacred Gears listed above. Like there are other different Vritra Sacred Gears with slight variations on their abilities but are not subspecies but entirely different Sacred Gears(Asia's Twilight Healing and Deethelm's Holy Resuscitation). Like there are other Vritra Sacred Gears besides Blaze Black Flare, Absorption Line, Delete Field, and Shadow Prison. Or those are the only four but there are subspecies with the same name.

[cyberdemon]

The other SGs ones are probably like twice critical to boosted gear. They are weaker imitations with no piece of Vritra's soul in them.

[aw454wtr]

Originally Posted by Darksider555

I assume that there are more people who each have one of these types of Vritra type Sacred Gears. The Grigori must have collected them & kept them in storage. Luckily with Issei's help, Saji was able to begin awakening Vritra, then he recieved the other Vritra type Sacred Gears.

It seems that Vritra has a lot of control technique type moves which make him formidable despite his low amount of raw power among the Dragon King's

1. [Blaze Black Flare]- Seem to be his attack type Sacred gear which would fall under the Elemental/Attribute type.
   
2. [Absorption Line]- Seems to be related to State Change, in which he can depower & weaken his opponent while empowering himself.
   
3. [Delete Field]- Seem to be related to Sealing, in which he supresses his opponents abilities.
   
4. [Shadow Prison]-Seems to be related to Sealing, in which he can entrap his oppoents.

It seems to me that the Grigori could be collecting the Sacred Gears of the deceased which is how they obtained the other Vritra Sacred Gears. Probably involving the same ritual that Raynare used. But it seems that if it would be used on a living being it kill them since Sacred Gear possessors cannot live if their Sacred Gears are extracted.

makes you wonder how many people they killed to harvest them, if the gods from other factions found out, there will be hell to pay for grigori

there should be an SS where a survivor from the SG extraction in grigori returns for vengeance against shemazai

[Lucidrago]

Well the fallen angels were always viewed as shady and it was quite common knowledge that Azazel was collecting Sacred Gears.

[Parry999]

Originally Posted by aw454wtr

makes you wonder how many people they killed to harvest them, if the gods from other factions found out, there will be hell to pay for grigori

there should be an SS where a survivor from the SG extraction in grigori returns for vengeance against shemazai

That require the angels getting focus can't have that in DxD.

[aw454wtr]

Well I guess Azazel decision to not make a system to reincarnate people into fallens suggest he is allowing pure fallen angels to eventually go extinct once angels stop falling by getting the baby making rooms to satisfy their lust leaving only half breeds as penance

[Lucidrago]

Originally Posted by cyberdemon

The other SGs ones are probably like twice critical to boosted gear. They are weaker imitations with no piece of Vritra's soul in them.

Vritra's soul and consciousness was split into several Sacred Gears. So each one of them should have a fragment of Vritra's consciousness as those are Vritra's abilities.

Just because Vritra's consciousness was revived doesn't mean that there aren't still the same Vritra Sacred Gears with fragments of his consciousness attached.

And Boosted Gear is a Longinus. Twice Critical is a regular Sacred Gear. They both have the ability to boost the user's power although the Boosted Gear can do it to a much greater extent. And plus Boosted Gear has the added ability of transferring the Boosted power. Most Longinus are basically a combination of abilities that aren't meant to be combined. And plus Boosted Gear was made with a Heavenly Dragon acting as the source of its power. We have no idea what's the case with Twice Critical although we know that It's a Dragon Sacred Gear.

What makes Saji so special is that he has 4 of those Vritra Sacred Gears. And Vritra's consciousness fully awakened. We can't accurately compare him with someone who only has one of those Sacred Gears.

[DragonOsman]

It's quite possible that Saji has all of Vritra's abilities. Even if there are other types of the abilities, according to the LN, those types each fall under one of either Absorption Line, Delete Field, Black Flare or Shadow Prison. Saji's Balance Breaker is also referred to as "Dragon King Mode", and he might already have all of Vritra's power in Balance Breaker without needing Breakdown the Beast.

[Lucidrago]

Well basically 'Vritra Promotion' was his Breakdown the Beast. And Malebolge Vritra Promotion is his Balance Breaker where he's able to use all the abilities at once.

He might have all of Vritra's abilities but not all of the Vritra Sacred Gears. The other Vritra Sacred Gears might be slight variations of the Sacred Gears that Saji already has that are completely different not subspecies like Siegfried's Twice Critical. I'm talking about in the case of Asia's Twilight Healing and Deethelm's Holy Resuscitation. Where they both have the ability to heal others but in different ways. While Twilight Healing is indiscriminate in who it heals, Holy Resuscitation only heals those related to the Church or Heaven. That might just be the case with the other Vritra Sacred Gears instead of them being subspecies as it wouldn't change the name of the Sacred Gear.

[DragonOsman]

He merges his consciousness with Vritra's and their voices meld together when they speak, as if they're both speaking together, too. So Malebolge Vritra Promotion is a Balance Breaker but it acts kind of like Breakdown the Beast (but without the drawbacks). I think it's okay to say he's as strong as Vritra in his prime in that form. And if so, does it seem like the other Vritra Sacred Gears are important? Especially if Saji already has all of Vritra.

[Darksider555]

Well even if he doesn't need more Sacred Gears he could still try to evolve his Balance Breaker. Gaspers Sacred Gear evolved into a Longinus since he has a piece of Balor inside him.

—The original meaning of Balance Breaker referred to a forbidden move of the Longinus. Azazel proposed that the possibilities of a Balance Breaker could be roughly divided into three types. The majority of Balance Breakers, including subspecies, could be classified as strengthening, evolving to a point of transformation. By pursuing the arrogance of themselves and the Sacred Gear, one would fuse together with their Sacred Gear to produce the Abyss Side. This was the type that Vali and Ikuse Tobio belonged to. Finally, there were those that couldn’t be categorised by this system due to their sudden variation, and those were the exceptions among exceptions. This was Hyoudou Issei, Kiba Yuuto’s Holy-Demonic Sword, Gasper Vladi, and Saji Genshirou; something had happened in relation to the Gremory peerage. In particular, Hyoudou Issei, Gasper Vladi and Saji Genshirou had also reached the Abyss Side. It could be described as an extremely abnormal generation. The phenomenon that was originally impossible began to occur frequently around Hyoudou Issei. Azazel was also quite intrigued by this.

It seems that Saji's BB is already an Abyss BB but he could still make it stronger. Even without a new form his Sacred Gear & Balance Breaker have the most amount of abilities among the Sacred Gears we have seen. Maybe we just need to see Saji use them more skillfully.

[Bennia Lover]

So Loki's eldest daughter Hel first appears in the SS Pavilion Kingdom where she attacks Issei and Issei uses Dress Break on her, making her the first goddess to be touched by Dress Break. She is a tall beautiful woman with long hair that is blue and red.

[Darksider555]

Originally Posted by Bennia Lover

So Loki's eldest daughter Hel first appears in the SS Pavilion Kingdom where she attacks Issei and Issei uses Dress Break on her, making her the first goddess to be touched by Dress Break. She is a tall beautiful woman with long hair that is blue and red.

So Pavilion Kingdom has the Rookies Four & Vali team in Asgard for diplomatic reasons & they are attacked by Hel?
This story sounds amazing! I need to read it!

Do we know Hel's motivation for attacking them? And how does every one react to her getting stripped?