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Malkuth · 2011-10-23, 17:17

I am not disagreeing in general with neither you nor Klashikari, merely pointing out that the C3 comparison has a technical basis. I also liked a lot more how F/Z did the fight, but C3 IMHO did have better animation.

hoarfrost · 2011-10-23, 17:17

Apples to grapefruit comparison here. C3's action sequences, while certainly pretty to look at, felt pretty shallow and overindulgent to me. This fight had the same kind of stylization with choreography and camera angles ufotable used in Rakkyo, except at a slower pace. While I would rather they abide more by "show don't tell", making the action more fluid, I can't say it wasn't impressive and the slow speed helps build tension. Style is just as big, perhaps even more important than technicality.

Though I really can't perceived a major difference in the animation level of both. Maybe my eyes just aren't as good.

Reckoner · 2011-10-23, 17:21

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Originally Posted by Malkuth

I am not disagreeing in general with neither you nor Klashikari, merely pointing out that the C3 comparison has a technical basis. I also liked a lot more how F/Z did the fight, but C3 IMHO did have better animation.

Well the original statement that Forsaken was talking about was "I never seen a melee fight so detailed in anime." Having characters move around on screen faster will provide a sense of "more movement" I suppose, but it doesn't exactly give that much more detail to the fight. Fate/Zero fight didn't exactly need more frames of movement either I thought.

Because of the many things I mentioned before, Fate/Zero just sort of obliterates the C3 fight in level of detail, from my POV.

Tiresias · 2011-10-23, 17:46

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Originally Posted by Reckoner

Well the original statement that Forsaken was talking about was "I never seen a melee fight so detailed in anime." Having characters move around on screen faster will provide a sense of "more movement" I suppose, but it doesn't exactly give that much more detail to the fight. Fate/Zero fight didn't exactly need more frames of movement either I thought.

Because of the many things I mentioned before, Fate/Zero just sort of obliterates the C3 fight in level of detail, from my POV.

Exactly what I'm talking about

Byakou · 2011-10-23, 19:46

This series is 10x better than fate/night was.

Knightrunner · 2011-10-23, 20:16

Pesonally, I like the fight scenes in UBW better than this episode, but it was still a good fight sequence. I like how they added strategics and other character's face expressions into the fight.

Archon_Wing · 2011-10-23, 20:22

I think Fate/Zero is far superior to UBW visually. UBW had all those faraway shots and cluttered action so much that you really couldn't get into the fights. Plus they went by way too fast and you really didn't know what was happening besides they were shooting, swinging at each other with some lights.

Then again UBW to me has as much value as dry dog turds in the street.

creb · 2011-10-23, 20:28

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Originally Posted by Archon_Wing

Then again UBW to me has as much value as dry dog turds in the street.

Well, to be fair, dry dog turds are far better than wet dog turds. Plus, there are millions of people who don't live in wonderful countries like the USA who use dry poop as fuel for the fires that they hang their crockpots over and such.

Archon_Wing · 2011-10-23, 20:32

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Originally Posted by creb

Well, to be fair, dry dog turds are far better than wet dog turds. Plus, there are millions of people who don't live in wonderful countries like the USA who use dry poop as fuel for the fires that they hang their crockpots over and such.

Yes, like I always say, there was always better... and worse.

Master_Yoma · 2011-10-23, 21:39

Well the fight is dragging on the fight should be short and sweet like in Fate Stay Night

Fome · 2011-10-23, 21:44

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Originally Posted by Master_Yoma

Well the fight is dragging on the fight should be short and sweet like in Fate Stay Night

If by short and sweet you mean lazy and derivative

ChronoReverse · 2011-10-23, 21:47

Just the first 15 seconds of the fight was already amazing.

Ultra powerful stab from Lancer, deflected full force by Saber, sliding in but then forced back again by the nimble short-spear. Saber taking the heavy risk trying to close in for the decisive advantage while Lancer maintains the same range for his greater advantage.

I love this sort of "duel" as opposed to "lol, my stats are better" or "I used a single trick and I win the duel". Even after falling for the setup, Saber is still not out of the fight.

KyriaL · 2011-10-23, 22:09

Interested to know what can Iskander actually do, and he should not have interrupted that fight! Anyway great and smooth animation, a true joy to watch.

GuidoHunter_Toki · 2011-10-23, 22:09

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Originally Posted by Master_Yoma

Well the fight is dragging on the fight should be short and sweet like in Fate Stay Night

Short sweet and boring.

This was a great meticulous fight with many moments of brilliance, like the beginning strikes between the two.

Jean Claymore · 2011-10-23, 23:05

Come on guys... Patience. We have yet to see the battle royale for the next episode and no need to spell it out... your daddy will be there soon

Man, I'll give it a 10/10 without any PVs/spoiler pics

Anyways, as for the episode itself was pretty enjoyable but dragging off the battle between wasn't very intelligent IMHO. At least I thought we'd get a decent all-action scenes despite the LN's short explanations of their fight (Jeez, you don't really have to follow as precisely as LN did ppl since you failed it from the very beginning). So, they won't tell us as to why didn't Assasin stay in his spirit form as well?

Flawfinder · 2011-10-23, 23:33

The fight scene went on way too long due to the anime cliche of "overusing far-away shots and talking heads). While I like Saber and that...homunculus woman she's with, when are Waver/Rider going to take center stage (apparently next episode)? I consider them the most interesting duo due to their dynamic relationship.

Solafighter · 2011-10-23, 23:53

Best fighting scene I have ever seen in an anime. I watcher it twice.

FlareKnight · 2011-10-23, 23:56

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Originally Posted by giorno

servants are spirits, they can't die of blood loss...it's not even a real hindrance, in fact...

as for the assassin part, if you want an explanation that makes sense: the gust of wind was generated by his movement(he just arrived on the scene), hence why kiritsugu(who was already keeping tabs on the crane) looked in that direction...

btw: magical barrier--->boundary field, basically it's a barrier put over the whole area to keep normal people away...like what kaori and styil put up in toaru the first time kaori attacked touma...

Personally I think Saber trying to escort Irisviel in the future while heavily bleeding from an arm that isn't working well is somewhat of a hindrance

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bhl88 · 2011-10-24, 00:05

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Originally Posted by Kokukirin

Who is LN?

Assassin cannot spy on them in spirit form. But he/she can rely on his/her ability to conceal his/her presence. Emiya was just lucky to spot him/her.

By LN... I think Light Novel.

For me: Fate/Zero >= UBW > Fate/Stay Night (despite my only favorite episode: 14, where Archer fought and died)

Kokukirin · 2011-10-24, 00:07

Ah ok, suddenly that post makes more sense to me.

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2011-10-23, 20:16	Link #146
Knightrunner Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: United States--- California	Pesonally, I like the fight scenes in UBW better than this episode, but it was still a good fight sequence. I like how they added strategics and other character's face expressions into the fight. __________________ Credit to grylsygaeger

2011-10-23, 21:39	Link #150
Master_Yoma Nekokota Festival Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lost in the Fairy Forest	Well the fight is dragging on the fight should be short and sweet like in Fate Stay Night __________________

2011-10-23, 23:05	Link #155
Jean Claymore Former #9 Join Date: Jul 2010	Come on guys... Patience. We have yet to see the battle royale for the next episode and no need to spell it out... your daddy will be there soon Man, I'll give it a 10/10 without any PVs/spoiler pics Anyways, as for the episode itself was pretty enjoyable but dragging off the battle between wasn't very intelligent IMHO. At least I thought we'd get a decent all-action scenes despite the LN's short explanations of their fight (Jeez, you don't really have to follow as precisely as LN did ppl since you failed it from the very beginning). So, they won't tell us as to why didn't Assasin stay in his spirit form as well? __________________

2011-10-23, 23:33	Link #156
Flawfinder Loves the Experience Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Earth...hopefully	The fight scene went on way too long due to the anime cliche of "overusing far-away shots and talking heads). While I like Saber and that...homunculus woman she's with, when are Waver/Rider going to take center stage (apparently next episode)? I consider them the most interesting duo due to their dynamic relationship. __________________ My Awesome Anime Blog: Standing On My Neck

2011-10-23, 17:17	Link #141
Malkuth Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: London Age: 43	I am not disagreeing in general with neither you nor Klashikari, merely pointing out that the C3 comparison has a technical basis. I also liked a lot more how F/Z did the fight, but C3 IMHO did have better animation.

2011-10-23, 17:17	Link #142
hoarfrost Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Age: 31	Apples to grapefruit comparison here. C3's action sequences, while certainly pretty to look at, felt pretty shallow and overindulgent to me. This fight had the same kind of stylization with choreography and camera angles ufotable used in Rakkyo, except at a slower pace. While I would rather they abide more by "show don't tell", making the action more fluid, I can't say it wasn't impressive and the slow speed helps build tension. Style is just as big, perhaps even more important than technicality. Though I really can't perceived a major difference in the animation level of both. Maybe my eyes just aren't as good.

2011-10-23, 19:46	Link #145
Byakou Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008	This series is 10x better than fate/night was.

2011-10-23, 21:47	Link #152
ChronoReverse Senior Member Join Date: May 2004	Just the first 15 seconds of the fight was already amazing. Ultra powerful stab from Lancer, deflected full force by Saber, sliding in but then forced back again by the nimble short-spear. Saber taking the heavy risk trying to close in for the decisive advantage while Lancer maintains the same range for his greater advantage. I love this sort of "duel" as opposed to "lol, my stats are better" or "I used a single trick and I win the duel". Even after falling for the setup, Saber is still not out of the fight.

2011-10-23, 22:09	Link #153
KyriaL You are Reading this! Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: In the study room	Interested to know what can Iskander actually do, and he should not have interrupted that fight! Anyway great and smooth animation, a true joy to watch.

2011-10-23, 23:53	Link #157
Solafighter Hige Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: God only knows	Best fighting scene I have ever seen in an anime. I watcher it twice. __________________

2011-10-24, 00:07	Link #160
Kokukirin Shadow of Effilisi Join Date: Oct 2011	Ah ok, suddenly that post makes more sense to me.