Claymore Chapter 92

[SagaraSouske]

Originally Posted by Sordes Pilosus

Ok not read up on things yet so just posting this before i do while i stil remember it properly.

In this chapter there are really 3 Points worth looking deeper into. First is the fact that it was Clare that has been looking into Rafaella and not the other way around. Second is that there is a "big mistake" that Clare has been performing. And third, the awakening of what seams to be Rafaella.

Now, personaly, the mistake element is most interesting since it seams related to a Powerup or Big Story Devolopment for Clare. There have been many theories of Teresa stil being inside of Clare holding a vast amount of Youki at her disposal, this would seam to fit the story as Clare seams to gain a huge powerup each time she seams to be "down for the count". Her devolopment as a whole now even not releasing Youki and being pretty much on Par with Miria does suggest there are alot inside of Clare stil waiting to come out. Now if we look at the powerup posibility then Soul Link is the first that comes to mind. But who would Clare Soul Link with ? Its not like Soul Linking with the possibily now awakened Rafaella seams the best choice. Clare and her Pet Abyssal One. It sounds.. a little off as the power itself would not be in Clare. The most likly and perhaps interesting posibility is a Soul Link with herself. Or more accurate a Soul link with the Teresa inside of her allowing Clare to unlock all her inner potensial, perhaps even awaken without losing her humanity, or having the weakpoint of Alicia and Beth. However if its a Story devolopment, its likly related to Rubel, and might be the information that binds Claymore for its final chapters. Any opinions on this ?

We are not sure if it is Clare who intruded in to Racilla's mind. All we know is Clare claiming that she was drawn in by Racilla while Rafaela claim Clare invaded. As to who is right, we don't know at this point. What we do know is Rene probing Racilla is the first trigger to the awakening. So Rafaela may have thought Clare intruded due to that probe.

Now, as for Clare's youki reserve. I don't think it is Teresa in her but rather Teresa's potential is inherited through her flesh. I believe Teresa is dead in body and soul. Clare did however, inherited similar potential that Teresa had through the process of claymorization user her flesh. She has yet to reach Teresa's level because she has yet to unlock all her potential.

On the subject of Soul Link. I agree with you that Clare doesn't necessarily have to link with someone else. A technique that is similar to Soul Link can be employed to exercise control over one's awakening process and youki level. I think the knowledge passed down by Rafaela, which contains much of what she knows about Soul link, will enable Clare to create or discover a technique to harness the power of awakening without losing her human mind. I don't buy the theory that Teresa is still in her so I will have disagree with that portion of your conjecture.

[clarakiss~]

what are the odds of yagi-sensei going in direction of making clare put in control of the new awakened one? clare received raphael's memories and everything.

maybe clare will have raciella by her side and raki has priscilla by his side and when they do meet... it'll be a pretty awkward moment.

[Vulcannis]

One possibility for the mistake that Claire is making is that she is assuming the person she wants revenge against, Priscilla, is still alive. Raph said in the chapter that she would die once her body awakened. Maybe what's left is the yoma, influenced by the memories and personality of the departed human soul (like Zaki's case, but much stronger given the extended time and subordinate position of the yoma during the Claymore's life.) Perhaps she just means that the person that Claire wants to kill is already dead. This would require Raph to know about Claire's revenge goal though, and seems a tad underwhelming. I prefer to think it's something about the nature of hyridization itself, or at least Claire's particular situation.

Also it's interesting that Rene predicted Raciella's awakening would incinerate Duff, yet Claire seems to be dealing with it okay. Clenching her teeth and maybe just losing her cool outfit. Given Duff's specialization in armour, if Rene's prediction is accurate this says a lot about Claire and Duff's relative power levels.

Originally Posted by SagaraSouske

We are not sure if it is Clare who intruded in to Racilla's mind. All we know is Clare claiming that she was drawn in by Racilla while Rafaela claim Clare invaded. As to who is right, we don't know at this point. What we do know is Rene probing Racilla is the first trigger to the awakening. So Rafaela may have thought Clare intruded due to that probe.

In the v2 translation Raph specifically mentions the initial intrusion as being someone else, with Claire coming after. It could be that Claire was just scanning Raciella but that this was enough to trigger everything. That would explain why Claire was confused and why Raph said Claire started it.

[SagaraSouske]

You were right about Rafaela making that distinction that the probe was by someone else. Rafaela said that her mind was fading away until someone (Rene) touched it. Then Clare strongly stirred up the just awakened consciousness of Rafaela. But we don't know whether the awakened consciousness pulling in Clare without knowing or Clare entered Racilla's mind by herself. From the previous chapter, it seemed like Clare just lost control of herself and then showed up in front of Racilla. She may have started to influence Rafaela after getting there, but how did she get there? I would think it was Racilla reaching out to Clare with the initiation of soul link like process thus allowing Clare to enter her mind and then Rafaela used Clare's memory to build an image of herself.

[Shiek927]

Originally Posted by clarakiss~

what are the odds of yagi-sensei going in direction of making clare put in control of the new awakened one? clare received raphael's memories and everything.

maybe clare will have raciella by her side and raki has priscilla by his side and when they do meet... it'll be a pretty awkward moment.

I was always under the assumption it would turn out that way: Claire would be mommy instead of Riful and the ghosts would have their very own super-abyssal that may help fight Priscila.

I doubt it's what you say though Vullcanus as it is underwhelming. Sides', it's going to take alot more then Raph's warning to stop Claire from getting revenge. Only someone important to her like Raki has a chance.

[clarakiss~]

Originally Posted by Shiek927

Only someone important to her like Raki has a chance.

hmm... i don't know. i think clare will just brush raki aside and will only be thinking of revenge when she sees priscilla. clare's has that kind of personality and loses her emotions far too easily and that's why miria sent cynthia and yuma along with her.

[Shiek927]

Originally Posted by clarakiss~

hmm... i don't know. i think clare will just brush raki aside and will only be thinking of revenge when she sees priscilla. clare's has that kind of personality and loses her emotions far too easily and that's why miria sent cynthia and yuma along with her.

I don't know....

We just have to see what Yagi does. Maybe he has a chance, he means more to her then any other person(except Teresa) right now, but Claire has dedicated her life to revenge long before she ever met him.

We just have to see which route he takes. However, if Claire does end up fighting, I always thought she'd never use Raciella, even if she has the best chance and helps. This is Claire's moment; everyone else is just likely to kill themselves perhaps even by Claire herself.

[MalakTawus]

No,Raki is the only one that can stop Claire's revenge.I have no doubt he'll be the one to save Claire in the end.

...and Claire vs Priscila will be a one on one.....and Raki will stop the battle.

[Shiek927]

Originally Posted by MalakTawus

No,Raki is the only one that can stop Claire's revenge.I have no doubt he'll be the one to save Claire in the end.

Perhaps; but who knows, both of them may die before the manga ends. Nobody's life is guarenteed in this manga.

I'm hoping however this whole matter is resolved....well, without the worst possible scenario chosen.

[FlareKnight]

The one thing I did like coming out of this chapter is setting up the status of Irene. I mean making note of her technique and then sending all the memories over would lead well into showing what went down. It's one of the things I've wondered about for a while. If she has hung on I have to give props for making it without any arms to speak of.

Overall wasn't really a chapter I have much to say about. The aftermath of this event should be pretty impressive though. This was an event that should really shake things up.

[blacktail fox]

although most people believe that this chapter is about clare having a soul link to an entity, i believe it is something more. if you people saw the title of the chapter it says SOUL SEAL and from my experience a seal is meant to contain and retain something, while a link is just to establish a connection. from what i saw from the chapter 92 it shows raphaela giveing her all probably including her yoki and sealing it inside clare. if you all recall raphaela told clare carve everything she(raphaela) was into clare, i believe she wanted clare have her power sealed insde clare for a particular purpose, probably to rectify the mistake clare made.

once again chapter 92 is called "SOUL SEAL" everyone

[Ryus]

Originally Posted by clarakiss~

what are the odds of yagi-sensei going in direction of making clare put in control of the new awakened one? clare received raphael's memories and everything.

maybe clare will have raciella by her side and raki has priscilla by his side and when they do meet... it'll be a pretty awkward moment.

Spoiler for Mature content:

Yeah because Luciela was a seductress so logically when Priscilla and Clare go at it Luciela will prevent Raki from breaking it up by seducing him. Which as we all know Raki doesn't know how to respond too. This will set off Priscilla who will now change targets and poor Clare will be in a state of shock that her sister just tried to steal her man. However this is only the beginning of the drama.

You see, Clare will the join in of the fight against Luciela. However Priscilla will be shocked at this and look at Clare who will return the gaze, both quickly realizing they have to finish each other off first. Luciela who will be stunned at Clare's betrayal of raising her sword against her, will attack Clare. Giving Priscilla a quick reprieve from the fight, however she will quickly decide this is her chance to eliminate to two trying to steal Raki.

However Poor Raki watching the fight can't help but get a hard on watching three chicks fighting over him. Especially with all of them losing some of there clothing. However Raki has sadly already made his fatal mistake, he's wearing tights with a hard on... Well Luciela being the seductress that she is will spot this and yell "WTF!"

Clare and Priscilla will quickly spot this too. All of them, Even Priscilla, will understand that it means that Raki is more attracted to the prospect of them fighting him (and in Priscilla's case that she no longer has what he desires) then anyone of them individually. Priscilla, with there boiling Blood, will race in for the kill. Raki's prophesy of Priscilla killing him by quenching her hunger on his guts and a bit more. Priscilla will then turn to look at Clare and Luciela and blame them for Raki's death.

Well as you can imagine Clare will not handle watching Raki die very well and fly at Priscilla with everything she's got. Luciela will realize Clare might awaken in her rage and descides to join, hoping to kill priscilla before Clare goes to far. Priscilla will fall very quickly to an enraged Clare and to Luciela desperation for a quick kill to save her sister from awakening. The fight will end with Clare cutting of Priscillas head after Luciela takes off her limbs.

Clare will run to raki's corpse, but Prisclla ate too much for one to tell that was Raki. Luciela will make a grave for Raki as Clare says her goodbyes. Clare will really appreciate the kindness Luciela is showing especially since she gave her the opening to her kill Priscilla. However Clare is still very mad at Luciela for making out with Raki. She charges at Luciela and knocks her to the ground with Clare landing on top of her. Clare starts pounding on Luciela's Chest with the little strength she can summon in her sorrow and attempt to mutter words as to why she hates her. Luciela at this point finally realizes what she did to upset Clare. Luciela just hold on to Clare as tightly on to Clare as she can while saying "sorry I didn't realize what he meant to you" over and over until Clare losses the energy to pound on Luciela anymore. Luciela kisses Clare on the forehead and tries to says "I'm sorry" one last time, however she's too stunned by the fact that Clare is kissing back. Luciela kisses Clare with all the passion Clare is giving her, realizing that Clare can't think straight will all her mixed emotions and is just trying to escape the pain of her loss. At that moment Luciela gets a great Idea... She looks at Clare and says "She really did give you all her memories" and gives Clare a huge smile.

This instantly causes Clare to have a flash back of some wild things Raphaela and Luciela did to each other for the soul link training, to help them to better merge there minds. (The MiB told them it would help them to open up to each other, not realizing they make sound effects when doing it...) Clare just stares at Luciela, with her huge smile. Clare returns it.

Clare and Luciela return to the ghosts a bit later, totally forgetting to put Raki in the dug out grave... Clare never realizes this mistake for as long as she lived. However both realized right away from her grin that Galatea was watching them. They return the smile.

A few days later Miria catchs on to why the three of them keep disappearing and follows them to confirm her suspicions. However Galatea has already told them that Miria is feeling left out so they all corner and and say "All you had to do was ask"

[Shiek927]

Originally Posted by Ryus

Spoiler for Mature content:

Yeah because Luciela was a seductress so logically when Priscilla and Clare go at it Luciela will prevent Raki from breaking it up by seducing him. Which as we all know Raki doesn't know how to respond too. This will set off Priscilla who will now change targets and poor Clare will be in a state of shock that her sister just tried to steal her man. However this is only the beginning of the drama.

You see, Clare will the join in of the fight against Luciela. However Priscilla will be shocked at this and look at Clare who will return the gaze, both quickly realizing they have to finish each other off first. Luciela who will be stunned at Clare's betrayal of raising her sword against her, will attack Clare. Giving Priscilla a quick reprieve from the fight, however she will quickly decide this is her chance to eliminate to two trying to steal Raki.

However Poor Raki watching the fight can't help but get a hard on watching three chicks fighting over him. Especially with all of them losing some of there clothing. However Raki has sadly already made his fatal mistake, he's wearing tights with a hard on... Well Luciela being the seductress that she is will spot this and yell "WTF!"

Clare and Priscilla will quickly spot this too. All of them, Even Priscilla, will understand that it means that Raki is more attracted to the prospect of them fighting him (and in Priscilla's case that she no longer has what he desires) then anyone of them individually. Priscilla, with there boiling Blood, will race in for the kill. Raki's prophesy of Priscilla killing him by quenching her hunger on his guts and a bit more. Priscilla will then turn to look at Clare and Luciela and blame them for Raki's death.

Well as you can imagine Clare will not handle watching Raki die very well and fly at Priscilla with everything she's got. Luciela will realize Clare might awaken in her rage and descides to join, hoping to kill priscilla before Clare goes to far. Priscilla will fall very quickly to an enraged Clare and to Luciela desperation for a quick kill to save her sister from awakening. The fight will end with Clare cutting of Priscillas head after Luciela takes off her limbs.

Clare will run to raki's corpse, but Prisclla ate too much for one to tell that was Raki. Luciela will make a grave for Raki as Clare says her goodbyes. Clare will really appreciate the kindness Luciela is showing especially since she gave her the opening to her kill Priscilla. However Clare is still very mad at Luciela for making out with Raki. She charges at Luciela and knocks her to the ground with Clare landing on top of her. Clare starts pounding on Luciela's Chest with the little strength she can summon in her sorrow and attempt to mutter words as to why she hates her. Luciela at this point finally realizes what she did to upset Clare. Luciela just hold on to Clare as tightly on to Clare as she can while saying "sorry I didn't realize what he meant to you" over and over until Clare losses the energy to pound on Luciela anymore. Luciela kisses Clare on the forehead and tries to says "I'm sorry" one last time, however she's too stunned by the fact that Clare is kissing back. Luciela kisses Clare with all the passion Clare is giving her, realizing that Clare can't think straight will all her mixed emotions and is just trying to escape the pain of her loss. At that moment Luciela gets a great Idea... She looks at Clare and says "She really did give you all her memories" and gives Clare a huge smile.

This instantly causes Clare to have a flash back of some wild things Raphaela and Luciela did to each other for the soul link training, to help them to better merge there minds. (The MiB told them it would help them to open up to each other, not realizing they make sound effects when doing it...) Clare just stares at Luciela, with her huge smile. Clare returns it.

Clare and Luciela return to the ghosts a bit later, totally forgetting to put Raki in the dug out grave... Clare never realizes this mistake for as long as she lived. However both realized right away from her grin that Galatea was watching them. They return the smile.

A few days later Miria catchs on to why the three of them keep disappearing and follows them to confirm her suspicions. However Galatea has already told them that Miria is feeling left out so they all corner and and say "All you had to do was ask"

You should make a fanfiction out of all that

[SagaraSouske]

Originally Posted by blacktail fox

although most people believe that this chapter is about clare having a soul link to an entity, i believe it is something more. if you people saw the title of the chapter it says SOUL SEAL and from my experience a seal is meant to contain and retain something, while a link is just to establish a connection. from what i saw from the chapter 92 it shows raphaela giveing her all probably including her yoki and sealing it inside clare. if you all recall raphaela told clare carve everything she(raphaela) was into clare, i believe she wanted clare have her power sealed insde clare for a particular purpose, probably to rectify the mistake clare made.

once again chapter 92 is called "SOUL SEAL" everyone

The title of this chapter is:

"Tamashi no Kokuin"

Tamashi is Soul. Kokuin is Seal or Engraving, Carving. It is a noun. So it is more like Engraving of the Soul rather then an action like sealing the soul. The title is prob referring to Clare receiving memory from Rafaela as those memories become carvings to Clare's mind and soul.

[clarakiss~]

Originally Posted by Ryus

Spoiler for Mature content:

Yeah because Luciela was a seductress so logically when Priscilla and Clare go at it Luciela will prevent Raki from breaking it up by seducing him. Which as we all know Raki doesn't know how to respond too. This will set off Priscilla who will now change targets and poor Clare will be in a state of shock that her sister just tried to steal her man. However this is only the beginning of the drama.

You see, Clare will the join in of the fight against Luciela. However Priscilla will be shocked at this and look at Clare who will return the gaze, both quickly realizing they have to finish each other off first. Luciela who will be stunned at Clare's betrayal of raising her sword against her, will attack Clare. Giving Priscilla a quick reprieve from the fight, however she will quickly decide this is her chance to eliminate to two trying to steal Raki.

However Poor Raki watching the fight can't help but get a hard on watching three chicks fighting over him. Especially with all of them losing some of there clothing. However Raki has sadly already made his fatal mistake, he's wearing tights with a hard on... Well Luciela being the seductress that she is will spot this and yell "WTF!"

Clare and Priscilla will quickly spot this too. All of them, Even Priscilla, will understand that it means that Raki is more attracted to the prospect of them fighting him (and in Priscilla's case that she no longer has what he desires) then anyone of them individually. Priscilla, with there boiling Blood, will race in for the kill. Raki's prophesy of Priscilla killing him by quenching her hunger on his guts and a bit more. Priscilla will then turn to look at Clare and Luciela and blame them for Raki's death.

Well as you can imagine Clare will not handle watching Raki die very well and fly at Priscilla with everything she's got. Luciela will realize Clare might awaken in her rage and descides to join, hoping to kill priscilla before Clare goes to far. Priscilla will fall very quickly to an enraged Clare and to Luciela desperation for a quick kill to save her sister from awakening. The fight will end with Clare cutting of Priscillas head after Luciela takes off her limbs.

Clare will run to raki's corpse, but Prisclla ate too much for one to tell that was Raki. Luciela will make a grave for Raki as Clare says her goodbyes. Clare will really appreciate the kindness Luciela is showing especially since she gave her the opening to her kill Priscilla. However Clare is still very mad at Luciela for making out with Raki. She charges at Luciela and knocks her to the ground with Clare landing on top of her. Clare starts pounding on Luciela's Chest with the little strength she can summon in her sorrow and attempt to mutter words as to why she hates her. Luciela at this point finally realizes what she did to upset Clare. Luciela just hold on to Clare as tightly on to Clare as she can while saying "sorry I didn't realize what he meant to you" over and over until Clare losses the energy to pound on Luciela anymore. Luciela kisses Clare on the forehead and tries to says "I'm sorry" one last time, however she's too stunned by the fact that Clare is kissing back. Luciela kisses Clare with all the passion Clare is giving her, realizing that Clare can't think straight will all her mixed emotions and is just trying to escape the pain of her loss. At that moment Luciela gets a great Idea... She looks at Clare and says "She really did give you all her memories" and gives Clare a huge smile.

This instantly causes Clare to have a flash back of some wild things Raphaela and Luciela did to each other for the soul link training, to help them to better merge there minds. (The MiB told them it would help them to open up to each other, not realizing they make sound effects when doing it...) Clare just stares at Luciela, with her huge smile. Clare returns it.

Clare and Luciela return to the ghosts a bit later, totally forgetting to put Raki in the dug out grave... Clare never realizes this mistake for as long as she lived. However both realized right away from her grin that Galatea was watching them. They return the smile.

A few days later Miria catchs on to why the three of them keep disappearing and follows them to confirm her suspicions. However Galatea has already told them that Miria is feeling left out so they all corner and and say "All you had to do was ask"

what... the... heck? you lost me half way through all of it. lol but hey... if it works for ya, not a problem if it goes that way. ^^;

[Ryus]

Originally Posted by blacktail fox

although most people believe that this chapter is about clare having a soul link to an entity, i believe it is something more. if you people saw the title of the chapter it says SOUL SEAL and from my experience a seal is meant to contain and retain something, while a link is just to establish a connection. from what i saw from the chapter 92 it shows raphaela giveing her all probably including her yoki and sealing it inside clare. if you all recall raphaela told clare carve everything she(raphaela) was into clare, i believe she wanted clare have her power sealed insde clare for a particular purpose, probably to rectify the mistake clare made.

once again chapter 92 is called "SOUL SEAL" everyone

Soul Seal could also refer to the Soul Sealed minds of Raphaela and Luciela being intruded upon by Clare.

After all the fight took place in a soul seal that eventually crumbled giving birth to a Super AO (whether it be Clare or Luciela/Raphaela whatever you choose to call her, I believe the letter though.)

New Topic I'm kinda confused with how much of Clare's memories Raphaela got, since she knew Clare had trained for 7 years but didn't know about Quicksword... So I can't figure out what this mistake Clare made is, because I can't make any assumption as to how much about Clare Raphaela knew. So how can any of use figure this out... Is the mistake about revenge, the Org, Partually awakening, a missed fact...

[Ryus]

Originally Posted by clarakiss~

what... the... heck? you lost me half way through all of it. lol but hey... if it works for ya, not a problem if it goes that way. ^^;

Sorry, I was distracted by a RL conversation I was having at the same time as typing... I couldn't avoid the conversation but I was desperate to get the idea on paper (so to speak) before I lost the idea.

Originally Posted by Shiek927

You should make a fanfiction out of all that

I just might!

[Shiek927]

New Topic I'm kinda confused with how much of Clare's memories Raphaela got, since she knew Clare had trained for 7 years but didn't know about Quicksword... So I can't figure out what this mistake Clare made is, because I can't make any assumption as to how much about Clare Raphaela knew. So how can any of use figure this out... Is the mistake about revenge, the Org, Partually awakening, a missed fact...

We don't know - Considering how dramatic Rapahela was, I'm assuming she got all of them, every moment in her entire life. No problem with that since the new being is something new entirely, so Raciella probably won't have much but vague flashbacks about her "past life"(in this case, only Luciella)

As for the mistake, your guess is as good as mine. It can be just about anything.

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Before we start making claims about "Soul Seals" and such, it would be wise to ask Cyclone-sama if that is the proper translation for the title.

[Tom Bombadil]

Originally Posted by clarakiss~

what are the odds of yagi-sensei going in direction of making clare put in control of the new awakened one? clare received raphael's memories and everything.
maybe clare will have raciella by her side and raki has priscilla by his side and when they do meet... it'll be a pretty awkward moment.

There is that possibility, but I hope it does not go down that direction. Miyazaki did something similar in his manga Nausicaa the Valley of the Wind . Not exactly the best part that I enjoyed.