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Perfect 10 | 108 | 61.02% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 47 | 26.55% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 10 | 5.65% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 8 | 4.52% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 3 | 1.69% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 0.56% | |
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2009-01-24, 10:41 | Link #161 | |
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You have to be careful every word of Ami. Last edited by heppu; 2009-01-24 at 11:53. Reason: Spoilers about future events must not be posted in this thread. |
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2009-01-24, 12:07 | Link #162 |
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I realized that the word Taiga sent, while a reflection of her violence and irateness, was also the perfect apology to Sumire, because she finally realized and spoke about her feelings - she finally was also an idiot. Thanks, guys.
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2009-01-24, 14:04 | Link #166 | |
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(Also, please don't spoil - I'm not a novel reader. Do leave a comment! )
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2009-01-24, 14:48 | Link #167 | |
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While, yes, there is a certain amount of significance temporally that Amin makes such a face after making a comment to Minorin, I feel like it's too early to simply say that she feels a certain way about Minorin because of her feelings for Takasu. I think the face she made was reflecting the whole situation. Her oldest friend was just dumped by the girl he loves. As much as she hates Taiga sometimes, she's in agony over the events that unfolded. And yet the relationships between the five of them, particularly between Minorin and Takasu, are going to change dramatically, caused by an impetus that's more that plenty unpleasant. |
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2009-01-24, 17:43 | Link #169 |
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My interpretation of that, is Minorin was hesitating over Ryuji because she thought Taiga liked him. Finding out that Taiga liked Kitamura instead, Ami probed at that weakness, asking if her guilt in liking the boy that Taiga likes is gone. Since Taiga obviously likes Kitamura. And Ami stopping those other girls from seeing and realizing that the second picture must be one of Taiga and Ryuji, seems to emphasize that Ami is pushing Minorin towards Ryuji, which seems strange because my impression of her is, that she kind of likes him too. Maybe thats why she is grimacing there. Either that, or because she realizes she is about to start a conflict between Taiga and Minorin over Ryuji.
Of course thats just my interpretation of it. I suspect we'll find out more in the next episode or 2. |
2009-01-24, 18:08 | Link #170 |
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Thank you. I couldn't tell because the screen was so small, and because of the lighting. But thank you for the enlarged picture.
And Molenir. I think that that is actually a pretty good theory. Now that I understand that it was a disgusted mood, and not some kind of sick, twisted, evil smile or something; it makes a lot of sense to me. It would be odd for Ami to be pushing Minori toards Ryuji. Unless maybe your theory was correct, or maybe she wants to give Minori some kind of false hope, and steal Ryuji away at the last moment, to hurt her. Reason being that, she may hate Minori for liking someone that she likes..... Just my thoughts on it.
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2009-01-24, 18:38 | Link #171 | |||
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I don't know what you mean by transcendent friendship. How do you define a transcendent friendship in order to class it as such? I don't have a set of parameters so the usage seems a bit contrived to say the least. Unfortunately it's aiming for the poetic without meaning. I'll target a few limiting aspects as well to your post. You say, Quote:
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Question, is your usage of bold terms to signify all the elements of this "transcendent" friendship? In other words...The relationship transcends the normal bounds of friendship and closer resembles blank....You're not defining what type of friendship that their relationships is transcending to. What parameters does it meet if not friendship or what aspect of friendship if it does....I think in order for me to give you a proper analysis I need a tighter definition, although I tried my best above. As for a wild theory I can't say. I figured the aspect of friendship was fundamental in the entire show. Let's look at this through characters. 1. Ryuuji: A guy with a limited number of friends because people made prejudgements about his face so they never bothered to get to know him. He had no friends except for Kitamura 2. Taiga: A girl made out to have a severe Napoleonic syndrome and had to force herself to appear stronger and tougher than most because people didn't understand her and probably would see her as weak. She keeps up a front, ie Tsundere character, when in reality she's a softy who is loyal to her friends and is sensitive to people with a neglectful family. She also had no friends except Minorin. 3. Ami: Another character judged solely on her appearance like the first two and also who unfortunately has to put up a two-faced role in order to match what people want of her when she's nothing like that. She had no friends but Kitamura. 4. Kitamura: A guy who devoted his life to the school council or school activities in order to heal a broken heart. He had no real friends besides Ryuuji and maybe Ami and the President who was older than him. So for most of his life his close friend was really Ryuuji. Remember Ami had moved away. 5. Minorin who seems to have good relationships but only a real friendship with one person, Taiga. Basically they bonded it seemed because there were binding ties and they were seeking something from everyone else. Ami was introduced through Kitamura and was using him to escape her world. Added to that Ryuuji gave her the reasons to say, inadvertently. Taiga found someone she was close with and provided that close and UNDERSTANDING family and friendship unit she was lacking. This was the same for Ryuuji. Between all of them it is Ryuuji who understands Taiga the best and vice versa. Kitamura joined in because it was his friends that lessened his own burdens in life or his need to refocus his energies---because they were his outlet. This was seen at the beach house episode when Ami specifically asked him why he dumped his school activities to go with them. Minorin<---unfortunately is the least developed character for me to really see why she needs them. I know from episode 4 (the ep where she and Ryuuji were stuck in the shed) or so she does hide herself behind a mask in order to protect herself. Maybe it's through them she can put the mask away and Ami has the same response as well. So is their bonding fundamental and goes beyond the normal frame of friendship? Define for me the normal framework of a strong friendship and maybe I'll be sure. |
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2009-01-24, 20:57 | Link #172 |
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I dont know falling in love with your friend either end up bad or good....speically if your really good friends ( like Ryuuji and Tiaga ) its a gamble if u decide to confess to your friend you like he/her cause afterwards your friendship be totally different
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2009-01-24, 23:11 | Link #173 | |
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I appreciate the time and effort spent in typing up that intelligent response. Thanks, once again.
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2009-01-24, 23:49 | Link #174 |
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i'm pretty sure Sumire always knew that Kitamura liked her, but she was putting her feelings on hold for his sake. she said something along the lines of "if i responded to his feelings he would give up everything to be with me." or she would give up her dreams to be with him. for the sake of both of them, she had to reject his feelings. which makes her a stronger character than Taiga takes her for. Taiga assumes she's running away from his feelings, but i think she's getting them loud and clear and has the will power to stand up against the urge.
and it makes me sad at the inevitableness of the slow phaseout of Ami.. such a better character than Minorin. Last edited by germanturkey; 2009-01-25 at 02:42. |
2009-01-25, 04:26 | Link #176 | |
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2009-01-25, 04:52 | Link #177 |
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Despite my continuing to be annoyed by Taiga, I was kept mildly interested by other things, particularly keeping hope that Ami and the president would get further development. Myself attracted to strong composed characters, I've always liked Sumire. This episode was great, with just the right amount of drama and violence. And it showed how much stronger and composed Sumire had been. She has become my favorite character, even surpassing Ami. I loved her strange confession. It was a powerful moment, a counterpoint to Taiga's idiocy. Her kendo's pretty tight too.
I also like the contrast between their loves. Taiga's is possessive, and desires to win over Yusaku, even going so far as to try and beat up the object of his affection w/out even so much as his consent to do so (which she probably wouldn't get). That will never be something to be compared to that of Kano, who considered first the reality of their very different futures and acted in the best way she knew how in order to preserve them. That is a character who has got her priorities in order. It's no wonder Yusaku fell in love with her. Heck, I'm in love with her. Hopefully, Taiga has learned a valuable lesson, and the baka post card is really code for "Thanks for helping me sort out the kind of person I ought to be for Yusaku". Last edited by khryoleoz; 2009-01-25 at 05:14. |
2009-01-25, 05:13 | Link #178 |
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... *tear trickles down her cheek* ...
Where The Hell are all these tears coming from!!?! I swear ive cried all my bodily fluid out by now... *thirstyyyyy~* ... IT WAS BREATH-TAKING! I am... I felt... Such empathy with their situation, especially Kitamura. It's scary, and, I'm kind of annoyed he was the first character in this series to seriously jerk some tears out of me. T,T - But then again he is becoming more and more of an awesome character, and... what are you people complaining about for MORE Ami... *sigh* Only 8 more episodes? I can sort of see how it's all going to wrap up now. ^0^ Ahhh- Happy Endings to shine out and dry up the tears... *well, I don't know what kind of ending it will be... 0.o actually)- Spoiler for The Awesome Bonds of Friendship - <3:
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2009-01-25, 06:20 | Link #179 | |
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only 8 eps lift till the end i wonder is 8 eps i enough to decide or it will be a open ended series?? ( to make the viewer read the novel ) |
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