Kill La Kill - Episode 22 Discussion / Poll

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by chrno

I was. Ryuko is the protagonist for this show. Just like any main character in any Go Nagai film. What I was saying that you do see the "sukeban" character as a side character. With the exception of shows like Sukeban Deka (I have yet to see the anime, but I'm sure I can find it somewhere). But we're talking about a "hot blooded" female in the same vein as everything that ever came out of a Go Nagai series. All those characters were male, the guy in Getta Robo, Koji Kabuto in Mazinger-Z. Funny thing is Go Nagai is probably one that pushed the whole rough edged hero. The delinquent hero, etc... from the 70's to the 80's. Godannar was close but not close enough. GGG harkens back to that era. Which is probably why Kill la Kill also harkens back to the whole screaming hot-bloodedness. But Ryuko has that deliquent attitude but again she's is the protagonist. It started with her but it's finishing with her and Satsuki. Satsuki is pretty "hot-blooded" herself but her's is a case of finesse and authority. But it's the vernacular of the streets, that's often found in banchou's and sukebans that I like.

We were talking about whether the protagonist from Sukeban Deka was the first "hotblooded female". GGG, Godannar, and KLK are fine and all, but irrelevant as far as the question goes.

Originally Posted by J the Drafter

No, outside of Satsuki's apology (which I've already talked about). The show has made the Honnouji Faction more sympathetic, but the Devas have never once demonstrated any regret over what they did. They'd show little to no hesitation attacking Ryuko and Nudist Beach on Satsuki's command even now. (And by "little to no hesitation", I mean that Gamagoori would be bothered by such an order but he'd still do it. The other three wouldn't bat an eye.) The Devas haven't become any better. The show just stopped looking at their nastier traits.

I think it's safe to say all the Devas would at the very least "bat an eye", and at this point Gamagoori would probably disobey if ordered specifically to attack Mako (though I can't see him ever attacking Satsuki, even at Mako's behest). I never suggested they would have any regret over what they did under Satsuki, or that they wouldn't still obey her. That's not a requirement for change.

[chrno]

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

We were talking about whether the protagonist from Sukeban Deka was the first "hotblooded female". GGG, Godannar, and KLK are fine and all, but irrelevant as far as the question goes.

Ah, so the first goes to Sukeban Deka. I'l have to check that out. Thanks for that.

[SeijiSensei]

I recommend the live-action at Dailymotion.

[J the Drafter]

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

I think it's safe to say all the Devas would at the very least "bat an eye", and at this point Gamagoori would probably disobey if ordered specifically to attack Mako (though I can't see him ever attacking Satsuki, even at Mako's behest). I never suggested they would have any regret over what they did under Satsuki, or that they wouldn't still obey her. That's not a requirement for change.

They're no longer ruling over Honnouji Academy because a) that's now impossible and b) post-apology!Satsuki wouldn't want them to. The Devas are still unquestioningly loyal to their master. That has been a constant in their characterization.

[Kazu-kun]

This argument is pointless when the show itself it's obviously not interested in dealing with the moral issue.

I understand that you think the Elite 4 did something wrong, but the show doesn't seem to agree with that. I already said that even Satsuki's apology was framed in the context of her realizing that her methods weren't working, not that they were morally wrong. That considering, you really shouldn't expect any serious moral judgment from this show.