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Perfect 10 | 12 | 26.09% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 15 | 32.61% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 17 | 36.96% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 2 | 4.35% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2014-01-11, 16:15 | Link #62 |
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I really wasn't expecting THAT of all things to happen. Yeah, I was expecting something to de-power the main character early on in the show but now I was thinking that it would be relatively safe until the end. That teaches me to doubt this team. In Imaishi we trust
I also love how they are making Satsuki out to not be clearly a "good guy" working under the "bad guys". She, to me, looks more like a Lawful neutral character that just happens to have her mothers objectives work somewhat in line with her own. For now I wouldn't really bet on any outcome. I'm pretty sure she will go up against her mother but I'm not feeling like I can pin down how all the factions will stand in the end of the story. Loving it so far.
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2014-01-11, 18:47 | Link #64 | |
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2014-01-11, 19:43 | Link #65 | |
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Ryuko is Chaotic Neutral Mako is Chaotic Good Gamagoori is the very personalization of Lawful; I'd argue he's a Lawful Neutral too seeing how he can be good or cruel towards the same people depending on the context. He bears no grudge against Mako or even Ryuko on a personal level, he's just doing his job. Nui is as Chaotic Evil as they get. Ragyo imho is going to end up either Lawful Evil or Evil Neutral. We know too little about her though yet.
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2014-01-11, 22:05 | Link #67 | |
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Sanageyama: True Neutral (just likes to fight) Inumuta: Neutral Evil Nonon: Neutral Evil (maybe True Neutral but overly focused on Satsuki, who makes her do evil things—haven't seen enough to say for sure, but doesn't seem to be overly lawful or chaotic)
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2014-01-12, 00:01 | Link #68 |
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I'd say Satsuki is Lawful Good, but disguised as Lawful Evil to hide her true motives.
I think she sees Ryuuko as the one person who challenges her views and keeps her from becoming like her mother. Ryuuko "humbles" Satsuki with her brash words and her disregard for Satsuki's ranking system. Nobody should be allowed to talk to Satsuki that way, but Ryuuko does. She won't admit it, but Satsuki sees her as an equal or a possible ally in the future.
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2014-01-12, 06:38 | Link #69 |
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so right now Ryuko is on losing streak...
I thought Satsuki got some kind of respect toward Ryuko.. but seeing her taking most of Kamui scraps means she didn't consider Ryuko as potential threat or rival anymore can't get enough of Harime Nui.... Yukarin's voice <3 |
2014-01-12, 11:20 | Link #70 |
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Coming out of this episode, I loved it alot. That said, I think alot of that love is simply just excitement for next episode. the prospect of Mako going to war, while Ryuko getting the biggest shock to her system of the entire series too much too miss. I know this episode was supposed to be the one that set the new status quo for the second cour, but let's just say I agree with the decision wait an episode or two before changing the OP. (I hear the change will happen soon).
As for what I thought about the ideas of this episode? Well, I believe that Rainbow Road's speech this episode might just be the most interesting speech in an anime in a long time. I mean, there is left field and then there is left field.
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2014-01-12, 22:30 | Link #71 |
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As soon as the newspaper guy appeared, I figured it was Nui just because he kept being shown with one eye. Also knew that Ryuko would be saved at the last moment...but not by Satsuki.
Anyway, Satsuki continues to be interesting. I love everyone(especially Mako and Sexy Sensei), but these last few episodes got me more interested in Satsuki's story for now. She's definitely one of the more intriguing villians in recent anime anyway...and I like the Four Devas. Gama/Mako =OTP. Now I wonder what she's going to do with Senketsu. As for Ryuko.....I'm sure she'll bounce back somehow. It's powerup time.
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2014-01-14, 15:29 | Link #72 |
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problem i always see when people try tag alignments on characters is good= heroes evil = villains. Satsuki could easily be "lawful Evil" and turn out to not be a villain despite that. Doesn't need to be so black and white >_>
Anyways, my prediction is given the look of the squares, Ryuko's gonna need to figure out how to defeat uniforms and take back the pieces to remake senketsu. |
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Oh, and of course there'll be the little matter of defeating (at least) three better-than-three-star SenGoku Uniforms with an incomplete (or no) Senketsu. No pressure...
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2014-01-14, 20:05 | Link #75 |
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What about Satsuki makes people think "evil"?
She can be rather harsh, but she doesn't strike me as sadistic. In fact, she's displayed a fair bit of mercy in recent episodes. Her plans of conquest certainly have a touch of megalomania to them, but in Satsuki's mind, this could very well be for the greater good (rather than, say, just personal self-aggrandizement, which would at least border on evil). Regardless of whether or not Satsuki is an antagonist or a villain, she strikes me as more Lawful Neutral than Lawful Evil.
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2014-01-14, 20:41 | Link #76 | |
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2014-01-14, 21:54 | Link #77 | |
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I'd say Alucard is more Neutral Evil than Chaotic. He's quite chaotic in battle, but it was his predictability (a lawful trait) that ultimately brought him down. Twice.
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Good + Neutral + Evil = Neutral Neutral + Evil = Evil At this point. But it seems fairly obvious that she also—and not too surreptitiously—is opposing Ragyo, a clear Big Bad who Ryuko will be facing as soon as she finds out Ragyo exists, and that Nui works for her. That's an obvious enough development that I already consider Satsuki at least a deuteragonist (if not secondary protagonist), whatever her moral alignment.
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2014-01-14, 23:02 | Link #78 | |
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2014-01-14, 23:03 | Link #79 |
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If you take a cynical view of her, sure.
But you can easily flip it around. If you take a less cynical view of her, what evil has she done? She's pretty harsh in her seemingly meritocratic worldview, and she certainly likes being in a position of power and control, but these two elements alone don't constitute "evil" in my view. Rather, they constitute "lawful", if anything. Given the lack of clear-cut good and clear-cut evil, I would think she fits "Lawful Neutral" the best. At least for now, until the show reveals more about what Satsuki's ultimate goals really, truly are.
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2014-01-15, 09:54 | Link #80 |
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Her biggest "crime" has been the enforcement of a rigid class system in the school and surrounding area based on performance through the star uniform system. This is one of the reasons why Mako's Fight Club episode was deeper than it looked (I mean it was more than a "power of friendship episode"). It gave insight into Satsuki's views, yes, but it also showed the power of class on the student population and their families. It's a bit cliche since Mako rejects it and subjects herself and her family back to their lower standing...yet at the same time, there is a clear difference in how Satsuki and the student council treat her in later episodes.
It's a criticism/reflection of the current human social structures. Not terribly mind blowing, but it helped build to things like the meeting between Satsuki and her mother, among other things. And yes, I still think Mako's ground punch in that episode was foreshadowing.
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