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Dnakata · 2006-01-08, 11:01

Hey there long time reader never posted.

Finished up to ep. 62 and after watching the Ichigo v Byakuya fight there was one thing I was disappointed about. As Ichigo and Byakuya were duking it out all the while I was waiting in anticipation for another of those flashbacks- this time where Ichigo is with Zangetsu and Yoruichi back at the training ground and he achieves bankai. It never happened.

How exactly did Ichigo beat Zangetsu to achieve bankai? Did he figure out something profound or was it just too mundane to show?

I haven't read the manga either so was there something in the manga not shown in the anime?

aoi_zip · 2006-01-08, 12:21

they did "rock paper scizors"

jk jk, i donno, i think he managed to get zangetsu to listen to him, he talked him down

Komataguri · 2006-01-08, 12:22

It will all be revealed in time, I would believe.

Souzouryoku · 2006-01-08, 12:22

They didn't show Renji achieving Bankai either. So either it's not important, or the creators really have no idea how to animate or illustrate it.

Grees · 2006-01-08, 14:13

I missed that part too, im sure there's a reason why it is left out and its not because of the lack of creativity, maybe they are planning to do the flashback when Ichigo reach the next stage or something.
Judging by the look of Zangetsu, i say Ichigo threatened to play the Spice Girls' third album Forever all day that made Zangetsu decided to give up.

Souzouryoku · 2006-01-08, 14:20

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Originally Posted by Grees

I missed that part too, im sure there's a reason why it is left out and its not because of the lack of creativity, maybe they are planning to do the flashback when Ichigo reach the next stage or something.
Judging by the look of Zangetsu, i say Ichigo threatened to play the Spice Girls' third album Forever all day that made Zangetsu decided to give up.

Next Level? Does one exist?

If one does I'm sure they are saving it for when Ichigo needs a power up.

Taylor-- · 2006-01-08, 15:29

This is turning in to Dragon Ball Z

Anyways, I agree with the others in saying that it will probably be a flashback sometime in the future.

Komataguri · 2006-01-08, 16:52

Well

Zangetsu said everyone of those swords was a piece of ichigo that was weak and relied upon Zangetsu to much, or something [ I forget the exact wording ]

So, with the risk of loosing Rukia, maybe he just...Broke all the swords and pulled the real one out of his chest, or something o_O;

KaneDragon · 2006-01-08, 17:09

There is no spoon. o_O

Arti · 2006-01-08, 18:20

It's really not important how. He may have just grabbed the right sword (unlikely) but I think it was some spiritual awakening. But we've seen that several times before.

DrunkenRyder · 2006-01-08, 18:51

Ichigo: Look man...we all know im not gonna beat you and achieve buoki in 3 days..

Zangetsu: Its..."Bankai"

Ichigo: Oh yeah right, right..So just give me the damn thing and we'll call it a day

Zangetsu:...eh fare enough.

And that is how Ichigo achieved Bankai.

Komataguri · 2006-01-08, 19:23

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Originally Posted by DrunkenRyder

Ichigo: Look man...we all know im not gonna beat you and achieve buoki in 3 days..

Zangetsu: Its..."Bankai"

Ichigo: Oh yeah right, right..So just give me the damn thing and we'll call it a day

Zangetsu:...eh fare enough.

And that is how Ichigo achieved Bankai.

You fail to mention where Yoruichi offered Zangetsu a special scabbard in return for giving Ichigo bankai

Anh_Minh · 2006-01-08, 19:36

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Originally Posted by Komataguri

You fail to mention where Yoruichi offered Zangetsu a special scabbard in return for giving Ichigo bankai

Is that an euphemism for sexual intercourse?

Komataguri · 2006-01-08, 19:37

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Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Is that an euphemism for sexual intercourse?

No, she had a special mahogony, ray skin covered scabbard made for Zangetsu's shikai

DrunkenRyder · 2006-01-08, 21:08

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Originally Posted by Komataguri

You fail to mention where Yoruichi offered Zangetsu a special scabbard in return for giving Ichigo bankai

Thats part two, I left it up to you

Dnakata · 2006-01-08, 22:45

Some people may think it's not really that important how Ichigo got bankai but I just feel the way they built it up in the anime it was pretty anti-climatic not to show it.
I mean, Ichigo had 3 days to achieve bankai and if he didn't there were going to be some serious consequences to his health (which Yoruichi didn't even explain) and the deadline to Rukia's execution had just been shortened. And here was Ichigo plugging away at Zangetsu for several episodes with a seemingly hopeless task of finding the "right" sword. With all the tension building up on whether he would achieve bankai in time suddenly he gate-crashes the execution donning a new spiffy suit and this all-powerful aura. How exactly did he make the transition? You can't really say it could have been down to pot luck in finding the right sword. For him to get bankai would have surely required something more than that.

Mr. DJ · 2006-01-09, 01:44

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Originally Posted by Taylor--

This is turning in to Dragon Ball Z

you know you're gonna die right?

NoSpoon · 2006-01-09, 02:27

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Originally Posted by KaneDragon

There is no spoon. o_O

Someone say my name?

ranchan13 · 2006-01-09, 03:17

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Originally Posted by Dnakata

Some people may think it's not really that important how Ichigo got bankai but I just feel the way they built it up in the anime it was pretty anti-climatic not to show it.
I mean, Ichigo had 3 days to achieve bankai and if he didn't there were going to be some serious consequences to his health (which Yoruichi didn't even explain) and the deadline to Rukia's execution had just been shortened. And here was Ichigo plugging away at Zangetsu for several episodes with a seemingly hopeless task of finding the "right" sword. With all the tension building up on whether he would achieve bankai in time suddenly he gate-crashes the execution donning a new spiffy suit and this all-powerful aura. How exactly did he make the transition? You can't really say it could have been down to pot luck in finding the right sword. For him to get bankai would have surely required something more than that.

Actually, if you recall, There was a scene in which he flashed back to firing his Shikai's special ability at will. Now, any sword other then Zangetsu would have proven incapable of doing that. Zangetsu then explained that knowing the name would increase the attack's power. I would assume that using that attack at will is what Zangetsu meant by defeating him, as he is now able to control Zangetsu's ability with his own will.

budak · 2006-01-09, 09:35

I think, to my knowledge, (same view as ranchan) he had achieved bankai when he learnt the ability and is able to summon it as his own will.. i don't remember where but i think there is one part where they say that you must be able to summon the soul in the zanpaktou and able to controll him, thats when you achive bankai.

Am i talking crap ?!?

2006-01-08, 11:01	Link #1
Dnakata Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006	Ichigo's Bankai Lesson Hey there long time reader never posted. Finished up to ep. 62 and after watching the Ichigo v Byakuya fight there was one thing I was disappointed about. As Ichigo and Byakuya were duking it out all the while I was waiting in anticipation for another of those flashbacks- this time where Ichigo is with Zangetsu and Yoruichi back at the training ground and he achieves bankai. It never happened. How exactly did Ichigo beat Zangetsu to achieve bankai? Did he figure out something profound or was it just too mundane to show? I haven't read the manga either so was there something in the manga not shown in the anime?

2006-01-08, 17:09	Link #9
KaneDragon (RAWR)&rawr Join Date: Dec 2005	There is no spoon. o_O __________________

2006-01-08, 18:51	Link #11
DrunkenRyder Segundo Arrancar Join Date: Dec 2005	Ichigo: Look man...we all know im not gonna beat you and achieve buoki in 3 days.. Zangetsu: Its..."Bankai" Ichigo: Oh yeah right, right..So just give me the damn thing and we'll call it a day Zangetsu:...eh fare enough. And that is how Ichigo achieved Bankai. __________________

2006-01-08, 12:21	Link #2
aoi_zip Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	they did "rock paper scizors" jk jk, i donno, i think he managed to get zangetsu to listen to him, he talked him down

2006-01-08, 12:22	Link #3
Komataguri Reverend K-Rist Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: America's Wang. Age: 40	It will all be revealed in time, I would believe.

2006-01-08, 12:22	Link #4
Souzouryoku The Insomniac Join Date: Dec 2005	They didn't show Renji achieving Bankai either. So either it's not important, or the creators really have no idea how to animate or illustrate it.

2006-01-08, 14:13	Link #5
Grees Ehhh Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Strange-ville	I missed that part too, im sure there's a reason why it is left out and its not because of the lack of creativity, maybe they are planning to do the flashback when Ichigo reach the next stage or something. Judging by the look of Zangetsu, i say Ichigo threatened to play the Spice Girls' third album Forever all day that made Zangetsu decided to give up.

2006-01-08, 15:29	Link #7
Taylor-- ! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Canada	This is turning in to Dragon Ball Z Anyways, I agree with the others in saying that it will probably be a flashback sometime in the future.

2006-01-08, 16:52	Link #8
Komataguri Reverend K-Rist Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: America's Wang. Age: 40	Well Zangetsu said everyone of those swords was a piece of ichigo that was weak and relied upon Zangetsu to much, or something [ I forget the exact wording ] So, with the risk of loosing Rukia, maybe he just...Broke all the swords and pulled the real one out of his chest, or something o_O;

2006-01-08, 18:20	Link #10
Arti Senior Member Join Date: May 2004	It's really not important how. He may have just grabbed the right sword (unlikely) but I think it was some spiritual awakening. But we've seen that several times before.

2006-01-08, 22:45	Link #16
Dnakata Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006	Some people may think it's not really that important how Ichigo got bankai but I just feel the way they built it up in the anime it was pretty anti-climatic not to show it. I mean, Ichigo had 3 days to achieve bankai and if he didn't there were going to be some serious consequences to his health (which Yoruichi didn't even explain) and the deadline to Rukia's execution had just been shortened. And here was Ichigo plugging away at Zangetsu for several episodes with a seemingly hopeless task of finding the "right" sword. With all the tension building up on whether he would achieve bankai in time suddenly he gate-crashes the execution donning a new spiffy suit and this all-powerful aura. How exactly did he make the transition? You can't really say it could have been down to pot luck in finding the right sword. For him to get bankai would have surely required something more than that.

2006-01-09, 09:35	Link #20
budak Member Join Date: Dec 2004	I think, to my knowledge, (same view as ranchan) he had achieved bankai when he learnt the ability and is able to summon it as his own will.. i don't remember where but i think there is one part where they say that you must be able to summon the soul in the zanpaktou and able to controll him, thats when you achive bankai. Am i talking crap ?!?