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View Poll Results: Macross Frontier: Sayonara no Tsubasa Movie Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 40 | 42.11% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 33 | 34.74% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 12 | 12.63% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 5 | 5.26% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 3 | 3.16% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 2.11% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2012-08-31, 08:16 | Link #3841 |
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backread a little.
did a marathon with the TV series then watched the 2 movies. didn't really like False Diva, Wings of Goodbye was a good enough ending. makes me really wonder a lot how they'll explain where the Vajra and Alto folded to.... and Sheryl will wake up.
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2012-08-31, 09:09 | Link #3842 | |
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Aya Endo said, "Well, Sheryl was still in a coma at the end of the movie, right? So maybe she'll still be asleep in ten years."
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2012-09-06, 02:50 | Link #3844 | |
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Though so, looking at the official art she got, she seems to be a lot younger than (let's see: 18[Was it?] + 10 = 28) 28 years old. Macross inconsistency. Deal with it. Though I would like to say this ending for the second movie looked very rushed to me, and was sort of segregated from the story, and too sudden. Epic, yes, but the ending was like flying a valkyrie at top speed into an iron wall.
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2012-09-08, 16:10 | Link #3845 | |
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I find myself remembering so many lovely Alto and Ranka moments right now. I haven't re-watched MF again yet due to school and work but I plan to soon. I don't feel like reviewing much of the movie, so I'll just say two things: 1. finally, Alto got to act like a true main male character and hero! And it's a shame that he picks the wrong girl and takes a death nap for the rest of the movie. 2. the movie... is almost 90% Sheryl-induced. What a waste of screen time. We needed more time to explain the enemy and deal with the war and all they could think to do is center on the woman who's dying. We get it: she loves him, she's dying, and she wants to sing; end of story. Let's move on the others like Michael and Ozma who get kicked aside. Seriously, I hated that. Ozma is one of the most badass characters in anime.
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2012-09-08, 23:05 | Link #3850 | |
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In the movie, it is much the same. Let me highlight the details. Ranka--important plot device, grows from a child-like personality to one who shoulders the responsibility of both the well being of the Vajura and Humanity. She gets character depth, and growth. Alto--the pilot of the VF, he is the fighter of the series, and the center of the love triangle, 'nuff said. Sheryl--the big brother/sister mentor of Ranka, and overall supporting the development of Alto and Ranka. Gets little plot development, if you want a literary analysis I would say static, since she mostly stays the same, because she does not need it as the role of the supporter This is purely my opinion though... Though be my guest if you want to continue taking Sheryl as the protagonist, I seriously have no idea how you got to that conclusion.
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2012-09-09, 00:38 | Link #3853 |
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@Kags: I don't get why a romance story would spend so much time on that kinda stuff either. I mean, we aaaaaaall get it: boy loves girl, girl loves boy, stuff pushes them apart, hijinks ensue, pent-up feelings they spew. Wasn't this meant to be a documentary on the tech specs of mecha?
Ozma would have made for a much better plot. He loves Cathy. Cathy loves him. Stuff pushes them apart. Hijinks ensue... oh wait, scratch that. Er... Michael! He loves Klan. Klan loves him. No she doesn't. Yes she does... oh, I give up. @Ozuma: Ah literal analysis. Super important. There's a top secret code that the director uses to tell you who the real protags are, and nobody else knows the code ('cept for me ). But all the posters can do deep analyses to figure it out. Mirror mirror on the wall, who is the complexest character of all? If you win you get unlimited cookies and everyone else admits that your character is really the bestest i mean, the most protagonistly-acting protagonist. Or they don't admit it. But then you can just use more analysis to figure out that they're just being tsundere about it. PS Sheryl's not a protagonist, she's a brotagonist. And Alto is his woman. |
2012-09-09, 02:54 | Link #3854 |
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And erfine takes first price, as always.
But, seriously for a moment, the films have some narrative weaknesses, many of which come because ( it seems to me ) Kawamori wanted to use them to correct the character flaws which were evident in the series, small as they may have been in some cases. And he overshot that mark on some accounts. Sheryl had a likeability problem for some viewers, because it seems that some people form all of their impression of a person by their first impression. And Sheryl came off pretty poorly to some people in that regard. So movie!Sheryl starts as an awesome character and stays that way. She has little character development but is clearly front and center of the movie. Although Kawamori made a ( IMO ) pretty big mistake in having her seriously consider Graces proposal in movie two, about harvesting Ranka for organs. Her really considering such an offer that late in the movie did her no favors, compared to series!Sheryl. Ranka made such stunningly bad decisions in the second half of the TV series, that she ended up one of the most hated characters in the Macross franchise. Evidently Kawamori felt that she needed to be redeemed ( and I think that may have been one of the deciding factors in doing a movie reboot instead of a series continuation: Ranka as in the TV series was unsalvageable with a lot of fans ) and he did a very fine job with that, showing us that movie!Rankas reaction to immenent danger was not to yell "Save me Alto-kun!" and later walk away from protecting her home, but to throw herself into deathly danger and try to sacrifice herself for her people. Oh, and she took Altos decision to choose Sheryl quite gracefully, which is more than I can say about her other version. Overall the most improved character and happily so. Alto had the problem in the series of being too private about his feelings, making him unrelatable for a lot of viewers. While I was perfectly fine with most of that ( him being too coy with his feelings toward the end was more due to the chosen narrative device of letting the viewers hang about his feelings until the last episode.... only that the writers then chickened out and let that unfinished, too ), Kawamori obviously thought that he needed to air his feelings more as to elevate him as a protagonist. Sadly, he also chose to focus Altos inner struggle away from "I pretend to hate my life here on Frontier, but I really love my home, my friends and my family. I need to overcome this and accept my inner feelings" towards "I have gender issues". Which really is not the path I would have chosen myself, but then again I am just a viewer, not the writer. So, for me personally, the character also did not compare favorably to his series counterpart.
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2012-09-09, 03:02 | Link #3855 | |
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Yeah, but you must admit Alto did learn to man up at the end... And, just saying, at least the proportion i.e. ratio between plot and romance is more balanced, and we were given generally more information about the Vajura. But in the movie, all I saw was a futile attempt by the staff to re-write the story by having Sheryl as the main focus, and the fights as garnish on a badly cooked dish. Seriously, if they wanted to make amovie, they should balance it like the tv series: there were the many moments that they show the data and research process on the enemy. It is better than a certain skimpily dressed pink haired impersonator of my loli hogging all the screen time. Heck, even I would hate if Ranka hogs the whole screen. At least when they show Ranka, it usually has lots of plot significance even in the TV series (which ranka pubstomped Sheryl into the curb harder that ramming a ghost v 9 into an iron wall IMO) There, just my two cents. Perhaps next time I might give a dollar or two (lame joke, I know) Btw, are we violating the rules by (almost) starting a shipping war?
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2012-09-09, 03:04 | Link #3856 |
Heya~ I am a Ranka-addict
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Aha! Gotcha on my turf, magnuskn!
Again with the episode 21! I would like you to review Ranka's character. Do you know that she left to protect frontier? Do you know that she was responsible for both races, the Vajura and the Humans's survival? Heck, if I wereher, I would make th same decisions. Note that in episode 21, she left on part that she could communicate with the vajura, and that she was also a human, making her the bridge between humanity and the vajura. If you are the hybrid of both race, and you see both races at war because of misunderstanding,would you just leave one race to die? You forget, I say, the importance and gravity of this question on the 16 year old ranka. The fact that she made the decision to attempt to save the frontier and the vajura by doing so is the turning point of her character development, showing how she was maturing and that she was no longer the kid that threw pans at her brother for something stupid. She was willing to forsake herself being with Alto to protect frontier. And, don't go all SDF over me. While Ranka grew. Kawamori did the right decision from square one, but because of fan pressure he had to change it. The fans did not understand how this made her grow. Whereas, Sheryl, whom they view to have not betrayed humanity, "takes the center stage" for two episodes. In further episodes, you would find that it is not that Ranka made bad decisions, it is that she was being human. She still suffers emotional trauma, she still is being controlled by Grace. She is not some Mary-sue Messiah like character where she will always make the right choices. So of the "choices" you perceive to be are Grace's coerceing and exploiting of Ranka's emotional weakness. So, there. No hard feelings, guys.
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2012-09-09, 03:25 | Link #3859 | |
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And while I go hang myself over you thinking that the movies and the TV are the same continuity. And relentlessflame, for all of our sanity we shall not be as rabid as a certain Ranka fan was once. I do not mean Kags.
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2012-09-09, 04:41 | Link #3860 | ||||||
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I wasn't trying to start a shipping war. I simply wanted to express my dislike for one character stealing the screen from other non-main characters that I'd love to see. I even gave a few in general: Ozma, Michael, and Klan is another, Grace, Brera, and even Luca... poor Luca.
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But still, I am not delusional. I wanted to see more of Klan especially. She attracted my attention in the series for being the most daring female character in the show. Do not forget that she is also the one to make Michael shine. Her missing as a character that assisted greatly in the movies depressed me. She was downplayed to just being a random person who shows up and has connections to the main characters via the military. Michael really had an interesting background with his sister's death and how he came to fall in love with Klan, even how he met Alto (drama CD); but they downplayed all of this to him being just an insight character with some support to the protagonists. However, his friendship with Alto then became questionable because they never gave any background information about whether they were friends or just comrades (at the base), since the story is altered from the original series version. Their interaction time to justify their exact relationship with one another is very little. The closest scene to friendship between them is almost at the movie's end, in which Michael tries to slap Alto and they have a bro moment. That's it. And I felt that Michael was truly an inspiration to Alto in the series but they felt that wasn't important at all, never mind that Alto grew with the help of Michael. Shall I even approach poor Luca in this matter? He was one of the few characters we barely saw enough of in the series and knew very little, if anything, about him. Given that his sister is dating Mishima, that gives a very interesting plot but they all but slapped it aside. Take notice that we are left unaware if his sister ever survived the Vajra war. Also, his relationship with Nanase is torn apart completely. They never actually meet in the movies. I felt that it was Nanase who helped Luca mature into a man in the series and they slapped that aside completely. Nanase was the worst of the side characters. She got a total of two scenes in the movie and only one line. Her friendship with Ranka that was so nice was gone completely. This downplayed her role and also severed her tie with Luca. They really screwed up there. Ozma is one of the most badass male characters in anime. The series proves it. But his role in the movies is very little. He is used as a plot device to be lost with Sheryl, one whom in the series he didn't care for a lot, and doesn't get to even show his feelings for Catherine one bit besides the date. They avoided all of his character development to allowing Ranka to grow. Plus, there is very little interaction time between Ozma and Ranka, thus destroying the bond they had for new viewers. I won't state any others but a good story builds from the secondary characters up to the main characters, working in their relationships with one another and how that secondary character can help improve on the main character. The movies did no justice to this at all. Quote:
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But regardless of that, this is not about a shipping war. I simply dislike that secondary characters were downplayed for the ridiculous idea that Sheryl was a more interesting character when she was the one with the smallest background story, the simplest plot development, and the easiest to solve character flaws. I seriously dislike that. So I stated my aggravation. It doesn't mean I wouldn't want to see Sheryl, I think she is a good role model to Ranka, but honestly; when she pushes great characters like Ozma, Klan, and Michael out, that is where I draw the line. - Forgive the length but I didn't feel like compressing it down...
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