2013-05-09, 02:59 | Link #62 |
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チェインバー(CV:杉田智和)
レドが搭乗するマシンキャリバー。パイロットと対話することでより優秀な兵士へと育成していくことを任務と する「パイロット支援啓発インターフェイスシステム」を搭載し、自律して行動できる。レドにとってかけがえ のない存在。 Chamber (Voice: Tomokazu Sugita) The Machine Calibre piloted by Ledo. It is equipped with a "Pilot Support Enlightenment Interface System" which communicates with the pilot and nurtures him into a better soldier. It can act autonomously. It is something which is irreplaceable for Ledo. -- As you can see, the mech and the AI are considered a single character. It's one complete system. The AI is equipped in the mech, and it's not the remote that Ledo carries around. That's just a communication device. |
2013-05-09, 07:42 | Link #63 | |
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The thing is it should even be clear from the actual show since Ledo has only referred to the Mecha as Chamber every time.
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2013-05-09, 09:06 | Link #65 |
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But just because he says Chamber is an AI, doesn't mean Chamber cannot also be a mecha. He is both.
In every episode he refers to the mecha as Chamber In episode 4 when the mecha gets tangled up in the wire, he yells "Chamber" In episode 4 when he is shown where is supposed to sleep he said it's convenient because it is near Chamber. In episode 2 when Amy first sees what Chamber is, he introduces it as Chamber. In this latest episode when he calls for Chamber's help, he calling for the mecha that is being used as a BBQ And so forth and so forth.
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2013-05-09, 09:40 | Link #66 |
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In the end any robot with enough intelligence can be also considered an A.I. because nothing can prevent you from taking the base program and moving it into a completely different machine.
It's not like "if it's a robot it can't be an A.I.". Even the movie A.I. by Steven Spielberg in the end is about intelligent robots. Or to put it in another way the relation between "Chamber" and "Machine Caliber" is the same that exists between "Socrates" and "Human body". There are many "Human bodies" as there are many "Machine Calibers" but there is only one "Socrates" and when you see the human body where the mind of "Socrates" dwells in you call that "Socrates" as well, even if it would be still "Socrates" if you removed the body and you just left the brain. The specific "Machine Caliber" Ledo pilots is "Chamber" because that's the "Machine Caliber" "Chamber" is installed on.
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2013-05-12, 14:58 | Link #68 |
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Certainly there will be conflict. We don't know to what level since it will be between Ledo and the Gargantians at this point. If the winding down of the violence is any indication, there is a possibility of a compromise where there is no death.
The Gargantians and fleets like it have been living with "Whalesquids" for who knows how long. It appears co-existence is possible. They might even be revered by the Gargantians ... which would cause a conflict if Ledo kills one. This leads to the thought the Hideauze might not even be so alien afterall. The space ones look like snails to us. And the octopus (never seen one with barbs before) looked like the Hideauze to Ledo. Could Hideauze be a sort of biological machine produced by a different group of space colonists? It was previously established that there have been drifters. If humans need to migrate through space, water with living things in it would be hard to store except maybe as genetic maps which could be used to clone organisms. If you can clone it, you can modify it. Given that the Hideauze and Alliance were competing for the same planet, maybe this is really a turf war between humans. |
2013-05-12, 18:31 | Link #69 |
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Here are 2 scenarios I see:
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2013-05-12, 23:54 | Link #70 |
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Further speculation to what Funkatron said at 2. It could be possible that the Hideauze invaded earth before and to drive them off the humans artificially put earth in a ice age and brought the Hideauze to space to battle them.
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2013-05-16, 14:20 | Link #73 |
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Ledo could be in the past or in the far future. He caught up in a wormhole "accident."
Ledo either... 1) starts the war with the Hideauze. Ledo went back in time and started the whole war with genetically modified nanites and squid on Earth. or 2) go thrown into the far future when the war has ended with humans surrendering, aliens restoring Earth, and humans giving up their technology. Ledo could be hundreds of thousands of years in the future. Hideauze settled down with luddite humans. or 3) Terraforming technology went to hell. Earth ended up frozen. Humans started leaving. Hideauze were created to control electrobugs, terraform. fix planets. The humans who left earth took their biotech with them and they tried to terraform planets with a different version of hideauze but their creation went bad. My guess is that the nanite electrobugs are the key to controlling, subduing, ending the war with the hideauze. |
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Humans need sun to be healthy, the less sun there is in the environment the whiter the skin must be (conversely where there is a lot of sun a darker skin protects better against dangerous UV rays). Though vitamin supplement can circumvent this problem, due to the lack of direct sun exposure in space, it was probably easier for the individuals to be very fair skinned to begin with. I guess that their level of melanin is so low that even their hair and eye colors became like that.
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2013-05-19, 14:03 | Link #77 |
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Very possibly the Alliance. That very thought came up during the first episode: who's the aggressor and who's the victim? The Alliance was the one doing the attacking in that episode. No where was it mentioned that Avalon belonged to the humans, only that the Alliance want it and Hideauze has been competing with them. We sympathize with the Alliance because they are humans like us. This bias may be incorrect.
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We know that the alliance actually wants to colonize planets and Ledo seems to suggest that they live on Avalon only because they don't have anything better. The Hideauze are likely the cause that forces them to live in space colonies.
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However, since Red hasn't said anything about the Gargantians different hair and eye colors,we can assume that he has seen others in space that don't have silver hair and violet eyes. Also, Red has mentioned that there are humans known as "drifters" that haven't joined with the Alliance and live in space to themselves. This suggests that humans have now spread among the stars and there is no longer just Earth humans and Alliance humans.
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