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View Poll Results: Nanoha - StrikerS - Episode 23 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 18 | 34.62% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 17 | 32.69% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 12 | 23.08% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 4 | 7.69% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 1.92% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
Voters: 52. You may not vote on this poll |
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2007-09-02, 12:46 | Link #42 |
~Night of Gales~
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You know, I find it incessantly strange that the not-that-bad-but-everyone-hates-them type of guy seems to only have his nicest points shown when they're pushed to a corner after we start disliking them. It ruins the gray character tension in my opinion. Still, it's nice to see Regius being shown to once be a good man (( apparently )) and coming to acceptance of Zest's coming, as opposed to his "SPAZ and HAET" which dominated his character portrayal.
And as expected, Zest didn't go there to chop his head off... at least not yet. His voice tone shows that he still considers him a friend... somewhat.
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2007-09-02, 13:09 | Link #45 | |
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And besides, from what Zest speaks of "where had our justice gone" talk, I think it implies that he already knows he's the one, but wants to hear it from his own mouth, since he's a friend.
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2007-09-02, 13:15 | Link #46 |
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Aren't people being a little too hard on the show and its flaws? I mean, just as you don't ask pears from an apple tree, a magical girl show with an action twist isn't expected to give you flawless plot execution and super-b developed characters. If you were expecting that, not only are you looking at the wrong show, but at the wrong genre. Sure, it would be nice if the plot had been masterfuly wooven, so that it would be even possible to give it an award for that, like Seirei no Moribito, Juuni Kokki or something of the sort. Sure, it would be great if it had super-b characters whose relationships and individuality showed real growth throughtout the series, like Simoun or Higurashi. What's more, it would be wonderful if they dedicated time to delve into the intrincancies of their world on how it has an influence on our characters, like in Aria on Mushishi.
But no, you are asking for something of the sort from a show whose closest relative are those of the sort of Naruto and Bleach, but with girls. Sure, it is several notches above those, having for the most part likeable characters so that you can (more or less) feel for them, having internal consistency and being realistic on its own terms, which is a great feat already for this kind of shows. But there is a difference between that and asking a series qualities worth of a series of the year. Nanoha is a good show in its own right, considering the limitations of the genre and of the focus it had from the start. Don't ruin your own watching experience expecting something from it it was'nt even supposed to give from the start. I'll agree with you though, that the show suffered from some deep direction problems throughtout the series, but most notable between the first and second half. If there is a flaw within the show that even I recognize, it is that they had no clear idea where the show was going from the start. It almost seems they only had a sketch of the plot and they just went improvising on the run. Or in the words of my little brother: "Nanoha gives me the laughs every time someone uses some exaggerated technique or powerup, so for me Nanoha is like a magical girl action comedy." Now then, on the topic of the chapter, it's nice to see a fight where there are more brains than pure "INYOURFACEIHAVEMOREPOWERTHANYOU". So yay for Teana and the league of "I-don't-like-DBZ-type-battles" Subaru's battle conclusion and its buildup was a tad too cheesy but we had already saw that coming from leagues before, so I'll have to give it it is consistent within its chessiness. On the downside the numbers are starting to fall like flies, but I guess it is to be expected with such a big villian cast combined with such a short runtime remaining. If there is ever a fourth season they will need to define better where are they going from the start or they will run in a deeper deadend than this time around. Other than that, a decent episode, with the plus side of Teana's battle, Nanoha's exaggerated buildups and the laughter it comes with it, and some plot revelation at the end of the episode. (It seems that Regius liteneaunt is also part, albeit indirectly of Regius and Zest little circle of friends ). Last edited by Proto; 2007-09-02 at 13:26. |
2007-09-02, 13:27 | Link #48 | ||||
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And if you ask me to give Nanoha my highest standards for character development (( as in Saiunkoku/LoGH/etc )) I wouldn't even watch Nanoha to begin with. There is however, a set-in standard when compared with other characters and previous seasons. Quote:
As in a good balance of plot, character development, build-up, drama, tension and all that... As it stands, StrikerS is lacking in most departments, EVEN when compared to A's. No, I'm not pulling out names like Toward the Terra where the build-up is 3000 times better than anything StrikerS ever did. Quote:
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Erio? Caro? VILLAINS? Honestly, a lot feels flat as well. It's like character development was misdivided between important cast members. And by extension, a degree of the drama is lost, since with less character development, character dynamic and interaction loses a lot of umph as well. Like Lightning/Lutecia. Have we EVER complained on its worldly settings? In fact, most people didn't enjoy the history lessons, since rather than being shown, they're being told. Bad directing there.
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2007-09-02, 13:35 | Link #49 |
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We as viewers should wait for the entire story to unfold before acting as critics. Let the original vision of Masaki Suzuki be told before trying to view the situation from another angle I suppose might make for a more sound analysis and assessment.
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2007-09-02, 13:42 | Link #51 | |||
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Likewise, Nanoha's plot has always been more or less an excuse for the character to have something to use magic on. Nanoha's plot has always been weak from the start, and the setting was never the focus to begind with, since Nanoha was more about the characters, their relationship with the magic they stumbled upon, with the hurdles they came against with and the confrontation between ideals. For me, Nanoha is a show about the characters and about their conflicts. Sure, it is by no means a masterpiece at that, since it has many flaws (including a big one called Vivio) but for the most part it is quite a decent project (in the anime/ss/manga sense) when seen from this POV on another matter, maybe we should ask the mods for a thread about our opinion's on Nahoha's overall direction and related topics, since this is quite a recurrent topic in almost all the threads in this sub-forum. |
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2007-09-02, 14:05 | Link #53 | ||||
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... You know something's wrong. And this is not random people who had just pop in to bitch and whine, you're talking about people who watched the show from the very beginning. Hell, we've defended the show from the beginning. Quote:
The simplest of example is the Caro/Erio/Lutecia interaction Nightengale mentioned. I've demand it for the longest time, yet it's no where to be found. Nobody can Seriously believe that Caro would feel that way to a complete strange, let alone Lutecia. Quote:
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The entire Stars team has more development than anyone else in on the series, you can argue that it's because they're the main characters, but so are Lightning and Hayate... And Villains deserves developments as well.
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2007-09-02, 14:23 | Link #54 | |||||
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Again, maybe I have not stated my point clearly. My point has been that: - We are marking flaws the series have, but that are not the focus of the series, and this, while bad, they are not extremely detrimental - Inside the scope of the series, the third season still has faults, but at least on my opinion the overall balance is positive. - My opinion, as everyone else's is not absolute, it's just a recollection of my own impressions and what I like. I'm just voicing out my thoughts since, as Chaos2Frozen said, we are underrepresented |
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2007-09-02, 14:25 | Link #55 |
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Yeah when it comes down to it development got thrown to certain people (Stars squad) and others got left on the floor. Agree that the Lutecia and Erio/Caro interactions now doesn't make a whole lot of sense since they haven't done much with them to make Caro and Erio try so hard to turn her. It's not like the first few seasons where Nanoha fought Fate numerous times or going up against the knights a few times. All we had was one fight and having Lutecia nearby when Erio got smacked out of the sky.
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2007-09-02, 14:59 | Link #58 | |
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If such a thread is created, will there be enough material left for episode-specific threads to be worth creating? ~_~ |
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2007-09-02, 15:05 | Link #60 | |
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I've got nothing to complain against Strikers save that episode, I'm not really disappointed so far overall. |
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