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View Poll Results: Suzumiya Haruhi Episode 9 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 75 | 35.71% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 56 | 26.67% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 26 | 12.38% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 30 | 14.29% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 15 | 7.14% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 3 | 1.43% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 3 | 1.43% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.48% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 0.48% | |
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2006-06-01, 17:13 | Link #201 | |
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2006-06-01, 17:32 | Link #202 | |||
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and maybe a different spin on it... Mikuru is basically Haruhi's Barbie doll. Her squeals and overall door-mattedness would probably activate a guy's "Knight in Shining Armour" mode in less than a second. Is it then abnormal for Kyon to harbour tender thoughts of Mikuru? Not in the slightest, and you'll see that not many people (if at all) would fault him for being...well...a guy. However the detail in the relationships between members of the SOS団 isn't very common in shows in general. Quote:
But it is a very viable material for debate. Is the focus of the show on the character that experiences the story as it unfolds or is it on the character that puts them in those situations in the first place? |
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2006-06-01, 17:33 | Link #203 | |
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2006-06-01, 18:45 | Link #204 | |
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Do you think that Haruhi was trying to kiss Kyon before he woke up? I wonder if she was influenced by that crazy dream she had a while back... |
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2006-06-01, 18:53 | Link #205 |
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As I was re-watching episode 9 for my 5th time I had this thought...
Everytime Nagato looks into the bookshelf she's actually staring out of the screen at us the viewers just like the insect did in episode 7, trying to tell us 'what are you looking at? What do you want to see?' Another thought came up: When Kyon was in the clubroom notice Nagato's stance for holding the book is different---she alwayse used to have the book lying on her lap. But when Kyon's sleep she held her book up. Could that be her peeking at Kyon over the book? |
2006-06-01, 20:24 | Link #206 | |
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those are some very good points, if it were anyone aside from nagato you would be reading too much into it; but it does seem that every move she makes is well thought out. also the second cardigan thing too would fit well into the peeking at kyon thing. Haruhi's reaction was somewhat drawn out. If she were merely looking down upon him as he woke up i doubt she would have been <-- but moreso a (oh ur up) kind of deal. She must have been doing something suspicious...whether it was a kiss or preparing to draw on kyon or whatever her twisted yet lovable character could have done - for her to be rendered speechless and emoting like she did to mikuru in the baseball episode... well ya and so the ending was tender but i really hope a season 2 comes out cuz there's just so much more potential! |
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2006-06-01, 20:38 | Link #207 |
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Argh, awesome discussion guys. Good enough to pull me away from Ever 17, hehehehe. Nin! Nin! XD
My 2 cents on the love theory. First let's eliminate two contenders... Oh yeah, there's Itsuki-->Kyon, which I firmly believe is there. I mean, Itsuki has moved his face way too close to Kyon's far too many times for me to believe otherwise. Too bad this couple won't happen, unless Kyon happens to be bisexual. There's always doujins for you yaoi fans. XD Then there's Yuki-->Kyon. Honestly, no clue at all. Apart from being Kyon's 'yes-woman' as much as Kyon is Haruhi's 'yes man' and the second cardigan mystery, there's really no clue at all as Yuki is more Ice Queeny than most other characters. Sadly, even if it exist, I don't think it will ever be reciprocated, as he considers her as something mysterious rather than something romantic. At least, I haven't heard him say or thought something about Yuki that could even remotely be considered as romantic. Now for the true debate, KyonXMikuru vs. KyonXHaruhi. If one just looks at the obvious clues, then one can only see that Haruhi-->Kyon-->Mikuru. We've seen what looks like jealous spurts of Haruhi over Kyon, and we know that Kyon is yet another victim of Mikuru's moeness. I don't think these are disputable, but we all know that it takes two to tango, so... What about Mikuru-->Kyon? It can be argued that it does exist, because: 1) Mikuru did ask if Kyon would take her in if she were ever be unfit for marriage 2) Mikuru did look mighty disappointed when Haruhi said she can't go with Kyon to get the heater However, the better question is whether or not she would act on her feelings if she did have them. IMO, the chance of that happening is very slim because if Mikuru was a D&D character, she would be a lawful one... to the extreme. I mean, apart from her complete subservience to Haruhi, she can't give Kyon details about the future because it's classified information, let alone break the 'no romance with past people' law. Until she does the former, I find the latter highly unlikely. Now Kyon-->Haruhi, that's a tricky subject. As far as we know, we have complete interiority of Kyon's thoughts, thus the ONLY reasonable assumption we can all make is that Kyon has only eyes on Mikuru. Thus if we were to argue for Kyon-->Haruhi as of now, we would have to say that he subconsciously likes Haruhi. Which, I admit, is guesswork that in the end might be all wrong even though when everything seems to point in that direction. Still, we do know that: 1) he finds her attractive enough (striking beauty remark in eps. 1) 2) For someone who claims he isn't interested in her, he thinks about Haruhi and her actions more than he does about the rest of the cast combined. Seems like she's always in his head for some reason 3) He himself admitted that he didn't know what came over him when he started to converse with Haruhi for the very first time. Wonder what the reason can that be? 4) KyoAni did wonderful work in showing Kyon tightly grasping Haruhi's hand last episode, all without him noticing it. And if I'm not mistaken, he was the one who initiated the hand hold, since he was pulling his arm up while Haruhi held hers at more or less the same level. 5) While he would've done it for anyone else, his lack of complaint after falling from the cliff with Haruhi is mighty interesting indeed when that's all he does whenever Haruhi does something dangerous 6) He actually was looking for recognition of his deeds in this episode, which would lead us to believe that he isn't as unwilling as his thoughts might otherwise suggest So yes, it's still a stretch to say that Kyon feels more than friendship for Haruhi at this point. But if he ever does explicitly say so in the future, we can all look back and say that the signs were indeed there. Now my thoughts on KyonXHaruhi, let me say that I do not feel they are the bickering couple at all because a) I don't think I've seen Kyon to be the initiator of the verbal arguement and b) Kyon only really speaks up when Haruhi is wrong, stepping over the line, or the matter is a life and death situation. In other words, Kyon rarely gives as much as he gets, he and Haruhi don't argue about trivial stuff, and they don't argue just for the sake of arguing. If he actually voiced his thoughts all the time then that's another matter, but so far all he's been doing is being Harhi's voice of reason, which is hardly what I would consider as bickering. And yes, I find HaruhiXKyon to be the most probable couple ending. This is mainly because in the end of the anime series, the KyonXHaruhi dynamic is changing and evolving, while KyonXMikuru is pretty much stagnant so far. Plus, I get the nagging feeling that Kyon's attraction to Mikuru would just be physical infatuation, nothing more. I still like KyonXMikuru better, because it provides better drama as not only are they going up against a futuristic race and their laws, but they are up against fate/God herself. But for reasons I have stated before, I find it very unlikely, and considering the mystery/sci-fi theme of the novel/show, I doubt that it would ever switch direction to heavy drama.
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2006-06-01, 21:47 | Link #208 | |
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somehow ur quote here reminds me of the last ep in onegai sensei when mizuho argued with her gov't about saving kei Question: So is Haruhi basically a genius or something? I mean she knows how to play baseball, juggle, do well in school and i believe a lot more things... |
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2006-06-01, 22:03 | Link #209 | ||
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The MikuruxKyon is only there I think because Kyon is physically attracted to Mikuru. Plus, when haruhi uses her as a plaything it brings out Kyon's need to save her. Any guy would. I don't think there's anything more than that between them. |
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2006-06-01, 22:33 | Link #210 | |
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I'd just call her someone who taps into all the potential that most people ignore, waste, or don't think they have.
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2006-06-02, 01:23 | Link #211 |
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here's the game that the Kyon+Koizumi's playing apparently...
http://ejf.cside.ne.jp/review/dragonallstars.html Well on that, Haruhi academically is very, very well rounded and quite elite.
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2006-06-02, 01:58 | Link #212 | |
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2006-06-02, 02:09 | Link #214 |
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Makes me wonder why doesn't Haruhi's subconscious powers affect Kyon instantly and make him fall for Haruhi instantly Or maybe Yuki is concentrating on cancelling any such small effect on Kyon, so he remains relatively unaffected.
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2006-06-02, 03:05 | Link #215 |
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I prefer the theory that subconsciously she may be aware of her effect and the idea that she could just will Kyon to like her terrifies her.... hence all the force shields, roadblocks, tossed herring, and other debris to see if Kyon really does like her.
As usual, all predictive models are tentative as more data arrives
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2006-06-02, 03:31 | Link #217 |
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I think of it as the "rich girl's dilemma" ... does he like *me* or my wallet? In Haruhi's case, if she can simply will Kyon to like her, it doesn't really have the meaning that it would if he likes her independently.
I realize this treads really close to various metaphysical issues but I'm averting my eyes. Also keep in mind that I'm speculating about Haruhi's subconscious where most bets of rationality are off.
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2006-06-02, 03:39 | Link #218 |
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Eh, well, Haruhi didn't give me the impression of someone who is as calculating when she wants something. She reminds me of a girl I'm playing with sometimes. She's always hyper, and when she wants something, she just states so and takes it. Like how Haruhi acts with everyone in her club, especially Mikuru
The same is apparent when Kyon talks with Yuki and Itsuki about Haruhi. The theory is that if Haruhi gets bored, monsters and all sorts of calamities appear, so we have to keep Haruhi pleased. This adds to my impression that Haruhi really doesn't hold back when she wants something. What seems to be the case however is that she doesn't actually WISH for something to happen if she feels the current situation can be handled as it is or is interesting enough to keep her occupied. Which means that if at some point, Haruhi gets frustrated because Kyon doesn't reciprocate her feelings, she'll probably wish for something drastic.
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2006-06-02, 04:44 | Link #219 |
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Personally, to me it does seem like Haruhi has some sort of internal roadblock or what-have-you when it comes to Kyon. I mean, like in episode 5 with the random drawing of the toothpicks Kyon did end up going with Mikuru and Yuki alone instead of with Haruhi (who seemed pretty annoyed about it). With her powers it should have been pretty easy to alter chances so either it 1) didnt work or 2) it did work and it was intentional except it was due to something with her subconscious. Well, theres another idea but it has something to do with my own personal theory between the true relationship between Haruhi and Kyon.....so Ill just leave it at that
About the whole Kyon ---> Haruhi thing, my whole take on it is that Kyon is deep down drawn to Haruhi. Not to say romantically exactly, but that it basically makes life interesting being around her. He used to be a fantasizer/dreamer until the cold hard facts of reality became apparent and he gave in to boring normality. Haruhi is like the child that he left behind, so while on the surface of his mind he fights her off deep-down he cant help but cling on to her. Also, to a guy like Kyon (and probably to a lot of guys in general), a girl like Haruhi would really seem like a lot to handle (regardless if shes cute or not). Being with her romantically would need quite a lot of energy. This is pretty much the opposite when considering Mikuru, who acts and seems much more submissive. So in regards to Kyon's romantic view on the two girls it pretty much boils down to the question of wether he prefers to be on top or not By the way, was I the only one who thought it felt odd to see scenes in episode 9 where Kyon wasn't in the vicinity? I mean, most of the anime has been pretty much shown with his point-of-view in mind so it felt kinda jarring to have the first-person narrator be out of the picture.... |
2006-06-02, 06:49 | Link #220 |
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Does anyone has a clue why Yuki tilt her head towards the radio at the end of the talk show?
To me, nothing short of anime conquered mars would captivate her attention from whatever shes reading, apart from Kyon. My mind has been running the likes of yuki turn up to the clubroom in a brown bear suit handing a pot to Kyon: "Pot, lend it to u. Use it. As soon as u get home(dont ask me y at home)" Kyon: ???? |
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