(L+CR) Boku Dake ga Inai Machi - ERASED [Manga comparisons forbidden]

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by xrick

But it makes people start double-guessing, doubting the quality of what they're watching and so on.

That has nothing to do with spoilers though.

Originally Posted by xrick

No matter what, I can see the logic in the mods' actions. Of course, it limits what can be discussed, but what can we do about it?

I assume there is a policy so both posters and admin know exactly what is allowed and what isn't. And again, I don't see anything specific to mentioning how many chapters have been adapted there. If this is a new rule, I would appreciate if they added it to the policy first.

[Proto]

There's no need to adopt an 'am i being detained?' attitude. The spoiler rules are meant as a general guideline about what can and can't be discussed regarding anime adaptations and such, however common sense applies and mods can apply series/threads specific rules and they have done as much multiple times in the past when the situation merits.

The rationale in the current case is also straightforward, the anime thread is made mainly and foremost for the anime watchers. I'm also guilty of this so it's also partially my fault, but if manga readers keep commenting about things that the anime-only watchers can't engage in, it will be neutral to their experience and just clutter the thread with stuff they can't participate in at best, and ruin their experience by spoiling future events or poisoning the well at worst. This is compounded by the fact that we can make the exact same comments expecting the exact same audience in the manga thread with no extra effort on our part.

[aohige]

Originally Posted by LKK

Posting how many chapters have been adapted is a common starting point for a spoiler discussion on "speculation on the pacing of the show and how many episodes will be needed to align to the source, but all that is "out" as well, because it hints at the resolution to the story" as Relentless said.

The conversation usually goes like this:

That's a made-up example pulled from my head, but it's to try and prevent these future of the show's adaptation type of conversations that statements about how many chapters have been adapted are forbidden.

I can understand why you wouldn't want the PersonC attitude to be advocated, but isn't that up to the person's judgement?
If someone thinks not being able to adapt the same content as source = guaranteed crap, I think it's a rather uneducated and rash decision.
It doesn't make the information inherently corrupt, it only reflects the perception of those viewers. And they're entitled to that, regardless of what I think of it.

I for example feel even rushed or skipped, this adaptation will be wonderful to the end simply based on the direction quality so far.

[GDB]

If you want to discuss the manga in any way, take it to the manga thread. How far the anime is in relation to the manga is also a form of discussing the manga. How is this difficult to understand? Especially for a mystery series, saying how far it is or isn't and how rushed or not the last few episodes will have to be is a huge spoiler in its own right.

[Magewolf]

Originally Posted by GDB

If you want to discuss the manga in any way, take it to the manga thread. How far the anime is in relation to the manga is also a form of discussing the manga. How is this difficult to understand? Especially for a mystery series, saying how far it is or isn't and how rushed or not the last few episodes will have to be is a huge spoiler in its own right.

At that point even saying it is an adaption is a spoiler. I mean if you mention that it comes from a manga someone might look it up for themselves thus spoiling the show. Or if you know what magazine it comes from you might be able to make a pretty good guess about what the show is going to be about and how it is going to play out, that's a big spoiler.

[Harbinger]

Originally Posted by Magewolf

At that point even saying it is an adaption is a spoiler. I mean if you mention that it comes from a manga someone might look it up for themselves thus spoiling the show. Or if you know what magazine it comes from you might be able to make a pretty good guess about what the show is going to be about and how it is going to play out, that's a big spoiler.

The key word here is "look".

I'm here to discuss with fellow "anime-watcher". If I want to go look at the original material, I can do just that. I don't need to know that character X didn't do Y or scene Z was removed which made character X less cool. I'll get to discover it myself when I check the original material. I'm well aware that Anime can't animate everything from its source material. Regardless, it's still a spoiler, even if it's not a big one.

[GDiddy]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

Since when? I don't see anything specific to that in the spoiler policy

It's always been like that here. Discuss manga spoilers in the manga thread and vice versa.

[karice67]

Originally Posted by Arya

I remember that quote (about heroes not trying to be heroes, but just doing what is right, what they can do --karice), but I don't know if it should be applied here.

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

Considering Satoru's lack of intelligence, or maybe lack of awareness, for a 29 year old in a 10 year old body, I'm not sure what to make of any themes concerning him. His powers of revival might have came about because of his desires to become a hero; hence, his revival allows him to save people.

Hm..I feel like it's as if we, as adults, are trying to explain Satoru drawing on his favourite "Wonder Guy" hero as him merely trying to be a hero. But is that what these kinds of stories are for, to inspire kids to be gung-ho heroes?

It's been years since I really sat down to read a Western comic (Watchmen), and to be honest, they strike me as being very different stories to the manga hero that Satoru loves, to the manga protagonists in the typical shonen series today, and even to their equivalents on Western TV (the only one that's coming to my mind at the moment is Captain Planet). If I think about it, the point of many of these stories isn't to suggest to children that they should try to be heroes per se, but rather to show them the real character traits that make a hero.

And that's why I brought up what some other creators said about what a hero was for another series. Because the idea that 'I just want to be a hero' just doesn't strike me as the kind of thing that a child brought up on those kinds of manga stories would think.

Also, the other characteristic I forgot to mention back then was that "heroes leave themselves out of the equation" when trying to figure out how to get the best outcome. (I was trying to remember which interview I read that in, because I seem to remember the creator in question drawing it from a literary source, but my mind is drawing a blank...)

Originally Posted by Triple_R

Even during his first revival, Satoru's focus was primarily on saving Kayo. He was certainly pleased to see his mom alive again, but it didn't take him long to focus almost exclusively on saving Kayo. Frankly, the other two potential victims were treated almost as after-thoughts.

Look, the amount of time and focus specific elements of a narrative receive does matter. It leaves a definite impression of what is most important and central to the story. If Kayo's story gets most of the anime runtime, and the other two potential victims get relatively very little time, then what does that say? Like it or not, it does say something.

I see what you're saying. To be honest, however, I feel that a lot of what's we're seeing also backs up the idea that 'saving Sachiko' as just as important to Satoru.

It's not just that he went back to the past because he wanted to save her (and saving Hinazuki is the first, most important step to him) -- in each and every episode, there are little moments where he realises just how wonderful his mother was. Like, the second time he returned to 1988 in episode 7, he tears up as he 'repents' the lie from the first episode to tell Sachiko that "the fact is, you can go to Ueno without changing trains." A lot of the things that happen with Hinazuki also drive home how lucky he is to have a mother like her. So, even if it's taken a back seat as he focuses on the people in front of him--partly because his mother is not in danger at this time--I feel like the show is presenting more and more reasons for why his desire to save his mother has brought him so far back into the past.

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I'd better stop the rambling here though...I feel like I know what I want to say, but I'm finding it difficult to put it in words.

[BWTraveller]

I take it that Satoru just wants to turn things off of the murder chain. Since Kayo was the first victim, he thought maybe by saving her he could prevent the murders. Once he was sure she'd be safe, he started turning his attention to the others to prevent their being murdered. And yes, this may tie into saving his mom too: it doesn't take a genius to piece together that Sachiko might have seen something in the past that could have made her a risk in the "present". Even if it wasn't a specific event that she saw, she was killed on account of her recognition of a murderer. If no murders happened in his hometown, there would be no reason for Sachiko to recognize the person as having a connection to any murders, and without a risk of recognition the killer would have no reason to go after her. And if she did see something specific, then if he can prevent whatever specific "something" it was she saw, she'll be safe.

Also, as for the whole manga/anime thing, is it at least alright to say that the current episode was faithful to the depicted chapters, without mentioning what chapter(s) the episode depicts? I can understand not wanting to identify how much more "story" is in the original, since that would suggest how much story is left to be put into X episodes, which would give a strong suggestion of whether the story would have to rush and truncate or stretch and fill. But I don't see how saying "they did a beautiful job translating this" or "they really worked hard to keep true to the source material" or "the added material blends in and wonderfully accentuates the original" would be much of a spoiler.

[RDNexus]

I think the major problem here is the susceptability of the "Anime-only viewers".
They are very sensitive to any kind of talk apart from the series itself that can give some kind of suggestion and end up complaining about it.
I also dislike that way of thinking but if the mods decided to go this way there isn't much more to do about it.

I started to frequent this forum precisely because there are people here who follow a story's original material and are capable of indicating how faithful such story is being adapted and so on.
That's usually useful to me when I'm not following a story's original material but want to know more, especially because I have no problems with being spoiled (and sometimes even ask for them).

[karice67]

^
If everyone doing so is careful enough to keep it to those kinds of comparisons, and remembers to put them under the appropriate spoiler tags most of the time, then I personally wouldn't mind. But I don't usually see the mods take it as far as banning all spoilers for a particular series unless people keep ignoring requests and warnings to observe those spoiler policy guidelines.

The spoiler policy is apparently more strict here than at some other forums, but one of the reasons for that is to maintain a balance between anime-only viewers and source readers. Whilst it is true that being too strict reduces discussion because e.g. simple comparisons sometimes end up being banned, being too lenient / inconsiderate does too, as anime-only viewers leave the discussion. So if you want to maintain the ability to compare, then it's up to you to stick to the spoiler policy and remind others to do the same.

Must admit, if what TLR said about reddit users actually being more careful about spoilers is true, than I do find it incredibly ironic...

[sikvod00]

Originally Posted by Kanon

A good ending to Kayo's story. At first, I was annoyed that Kayo's mom was painted as a victim, then I felt relieved when I saw neither Satoru nor Kayo felt any pity for her. There are no excuses for what she did to her daughter.

Well, her mother was a victim of domestic violence. That’s a fact and nothing changes it. Now whether people take pity or not is an entirely different thing. I don’t believe the story was trying to go for that angle anyways, at least going by the kid’s reactions. Instead I think it wanted to show the link between domestic abuse and child abuse. They wanted to paint a sad reality that was preventable.
It’s entirely possible that a good social worker, friend, or relative could have stepped in and intervened from the start to stop this cycle of abuse. They alluded to this with the grandmother. It does say something about the mother’s character and other victims of domestic violence who decide to take out their anger and frustration on those more helpless than them: their children. They should be rightfully judged. No excuse, as you said.

Originally Posted by karice67

It's not just that he went back to the past because he wanted to save her (and saving Hinazuki is the first, most important step to him) -- in each and every episode, there are little moments where he realises just how wonderful his mother was. Like, the second time he returned to 1988 in episode 7, he tears up as he 'repents' the lie from the first episode to tell Sachiko that "the fact is, you can go to Ueno without changing trains." A lot of the things that happen with Hinazuki also drive home how lucky he is to have a mother like her. So, even if it's taken a back seat as he focuses on the people in front of him--partly because his mother is not in danger at this time--I feel like the show is presenting more and more reasons for why his desire to save his mother has brought him so far back into the past.
I'd better stop the rambling here though...I feel like I know what I want to say, but I'm finding it difficult to put it in words.

Yes. I totally agree. Satoru’s mother is his foundation; he’d do anything to save her even before the first time leap. He just thinks she is relatively “safe” so there is less focus on that.
As a son who lost their mom just a few years back, this show and

Spoiler for Just playing it safe":

Kiseijuu: Sei no Kakuritsu

have moments that can get me a little emotional. Parent\child relationships in anime are a treat because of how rare and underused they are. Nothing makes a child appreciate their parents more than meeting kids with really terrible ones. The difference between the two mothers is like night and day, and Satoru is painfully aware of that. Kayo being brutally murdered is one thing. But also being a victim of child abuse? What a miserable existence: save her from a serial killer so she can continue to be brutally beaten by adults. Ugh.

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by BWTraveller

Even if it wasn't a specific event that she saw, she was killed on account of her recognition of a murderer. If no murders happened in his hometown, there would be no reason for Sachiko to recognize the person as having a connection to any murders, and without a risk of recognition the killer would have no reason to go after her.

That's not true. Sachiko didn't recognize a murderer, she recognized a person she knew in the act of kidnapping a child. She was sure it was a failed kidnapping attempt before she realized who was that person and therefore before connecting it to the serial murder case of the past.

Nishizono would have killed anyway considering that he tried to kill Airi simply because she recognized him as an unusual client going to their pizza delivery service.

[Beobachter]

Jut caught up with the last three episodes. It's very good, really like how it portrayed difficult real life issues in delicate and graceful manner, while at the same time not sugar-coating them. Not a lot of series out there that breached this kind of thing with the seriousness it deserves. Agreed with sikvod above on the parent-child parallel, I think this whole segment really helped to enrich Satoru's character (in regards of the relationship with his mom) beyond "I need to save them! What's the murderer going to do??".

Oh right, the mystery. Kind of forgot about it for majority of these episodes, but at this point I'd be very surprised (or trolled) if:

Spoiler for pure speculation, but just to be safe:

The murderer isn't the teacher. I was torn 50:50 between him and Yuuki before these episodes, but the candy scene (and that seemingly innocuous question "where did you guys hide her?" in the teacher's room) sealed the deal, I think. Way too many clues and nudges toward him, especially compared to the other remaining suspects, who got little to no screen time for these episodes. The fact that Satoru doesn't seem to suspect him at all (*you can see he ALMOST connect the dots when the candies fell out, but then the teacher comes up with the rather weak-sounding excuse) further convinced me for some reason. I don't know how he relates to the Nishizono dude at all, though. Feel like I'm missing some pieces somewhere...

Well, either that, or they come up with something bonkers like it's an Alternate Future Satoru, or that the whole thing's just a plot of Satoru's upcoming manga I doubt it's the kind of story that would pull off something like that, though.

By the way, have they addressed at any point what happened to Satoru's father?

[Iron Maw]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

I feel kinda horrible, but when Hiromi said he'd do "anything to help", I couldn't help but think "maybe get a haircut?".

I see where you coming from though. It's hard to not mistake him as girl with his overlook.

That aside, I must say that if the teacher is truly the killer, from in-universe perspective I can totally understand why those who knew him would find it hard to believe when it comes to light. He seriously comes across as a genuinely good and well balance person. A top actor if ever saw one.

Originally Posted by Magewolf

At that point even saying it is an adaption is a spoiler. I mean if you mention that it comes from a manga someone might look it up for themselves thus spoiling the show. Or if you know what magazine it comes from you might be able to make a pretty good guess about what the show is going to be about and how it is going to play out, that's a big spoiler.

Huh? Isn't that extreme? Is an individual poster responsible for whether another poster looks spoilers on wikipedia or TV Tropes now?

Most animes made today are adaptations, in fact that is a selling point which is promoted to anime only watchers in Japan where the source is readily available. You would just be denying reality rather curbing spoilers by going that far. An adaptation may eventually end up being it's thing, but doesn't change the fact it is based off an existing work, there is no reason to hide that.

I don't find that "noting the x amount of chapters that had been adapted" as an issue either since it is too vague to inference anything on. If someone request more info than manga/LN reader should either not respond or PM the person in question. The rules are clear that one cannot talk about the source directly in anime thread beyond comparison on what's already been animated in spoiler tags, and miscellaneous past-tense things like that sound like they fall under that scope.

[orion]

Originally Posted by Beobachter

Jut caught up with the last three episodes. It's very good, really like how it portrayed difficult real life issues in delicate and graceful manner, while at the same time not sugar-coating them. Not a lot of series out there that breached this kind of thing with the seriousness it deserves. Agreed with sikvod above on the parent-child parallel, I think this whole segment really helped to enrich Satoru's character (in regards of the relationship with his mom) beyond "I need to save them! What's the murderer going to do??".

Oh right, the mystery. Kind of forgot about it for majority of these episodes, but at this point I'd be very surprised (or trolled) if:

Spoiler for pure speculation, but just to be safe:

The murderer isn't the teacher. I was torn 50:50 between him and Yuuki before these episodes, but the candy scene (and that seemingly innocuous question "where did you guys hide her?" in the teacher's room) sealed the deal, I think. Way too many clues and nudges toward him, especially compared to the other remaining suspects, who got little to no screen time for these episodes. The fact that Satoru doesn't seem to suspect him at all (*you can see he ALMOST connect the dots when the candies fell out, but then the teacher comes up with the rather weak-sounding excuse) further convinced me for some reason. I don't know how he relates to the Nishizono dude at all, though. Feel like I'm missing some pieces somewhere...

Well, either that, or they come up with something bonkers like it's an Alternate Future Satoru, or that the whole thing's just a plot of Satoru's upcoming manga I doubt it's the kind of story that would pull off something like that, though.

By the way, have they addressed at any point what happened to Satoru's father?

Or...

Spoiler:

You could think that with contact lens to change eye color and a name change, the teacher could still be the killer. He's the only male left in the title that we've been exposed to that fits what the killer/abductor looks like. We already know it's not Yuuki as that's one of the premises for the title. That was explained in the first 2 episodes.

[Marina2]

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[BWTraveller]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

That's not true. Sachiko didn't recognize a murderer, she recognized a person she knew in the act of kidnapping a child. She was sure it was a failed kidnapping attempt before she realized who was that person and therefore before connecting it to the serial murder case of the past.

Nishizono would have killed anyway considering that he tried to kill Airi simply because she recognized him as an unusual client going to their pizza delivery service.

A woman saying "I glimpsed this person walking/talking with a little girl once" is not something likely to raise police suspicion, especially if it's just some guy she knew long ago who's never had anything to do with a crime or even to her or anyone else's knowledge been in the same town when such crimes took place. Thus, if he had not committed any of those crimes in their hometown, he would have far less reason to consider her a threat. Additionally, with Airi I'm pretty sure he tried to kill her because he thought she could identify him as someone who may have known Satoru's schedule. It was already established that he took care to establish that schedule to set Satoru up, so if a girl says someone she's not sure about was looking at that schedule without a clear reason to, it might at least give someone incentive to look into him. That's why he only went after her after Satoru had escaped for a while and she'd contacted him, because he didn't want his scapegoat to have too much arming information, just like he didn't want a determined young adult keeping her eye on him.

[Stark700]

Episode 10:

Spoiler:

Oh boy...the real kidnapper reveals themselves this episode. I won't say who it is but it's explained in both words and reconstructed events in the second half of the episode. 2 episodes left.

[revive4563]

At last...
I felt like it was 2min, in spite of episode 10.