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In episode 20? That was only after Alto and Sheryl put her up to it. She didn't want to sing there. Or somewhere else? Ep 21... can't watch, so the details are a bit foggy. Not really a danger situation, and I can't recall Alto or anyone else 'getting her out' of that one. I agree that he certainly feels protective of her, he admits as much in episode 23, but he felt that way all the way back in episode 3 (arguably episode 2), so I don't think it was meant to be as a result of 'always getting herself in trouble' (no more so than any other characters, anyway), and I don't think it's a paternal or fraternal sort of protectiveness. There's just a connection there. That's part of what makes it a triangle. (Yes, that's a whole different can of worms, but you have to admit that, like just about any other Macross series, a love triangle was the intention of the creators) |
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2009-07-20, 23:25 | Link #1782 | |
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2009-07-20, 23:26 | Link #1783 | |
Alto x Ranka :)
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Likewise, I didn't really see anything wrong with Ranka trying to reach Alto through her songs. In my opinion, I think the songs did reach Alto but he was just too hard-headed for his own good.
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2009-07-20, 23:39 | Link #1784 | |
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I got a PM from someone earlier today saying, essentially, "I'm sick of this. If this is how they are, I'll go elsewhere." And this was a relatively benign conversation on the topic, compared to previous ones. Still, nothing new was said, all the points are old points. What's to be gained from continuing it? |
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2009-07-20, 23:45 | Link #1785 | |
Catholic = Cat addiction?
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2009-07-20, 23:55 | Link #1787 |
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I can understand the frustration, and I'm sorry if the discussion upset anyone. O.o
I just jumped in because I find the constant negativity about the character... well, frustrating (hate using the word again so soon), so I felt compelled to challenge some of it. I have no problems with people not liking the character, that's fine, but the partisanship here seems... extreme... sometimes. o.O What can I say, I like balance. |
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2009-07-21, 00:40 | Link #1790 | |
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But get this, me saying that all of this is a waste of time will not convince anyone, afterall this is another opinion. hahah |
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2009-07-21, 00:53 | Link #1792 | |
Alto x Ranka :)
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Anyways, I heartily agree with you here. My first experiences in this sub-forum was new because I honestly never got into a "shipping war." I actually just came into the Ranka thread and posted my opinion on Ranka's character, a very general statement at that and I was bombarded with responses Let's just say it wasn't the best of my experiences Well it's disappointing to hear that someone left this sub-forum because of discussions as these, but these type of arguments will happen from time to time, it's inevitable. Well in the beginning, after I realized how redundant these arguments became, I just wanted to reach a consensus at the very least but it never happened. Some are just more passionate about this than others. Either way, you're right. There is nothing to be gained from this.
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2009-07-21, 01:13 | Link #1794 |
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Let's put it this way. It's hard to argue here and to get a confirmation you have to clarify every single posting you do. It's extremely hard and mostly it ends ups ending in wall of texts just like Snowblind currently.
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Wow, one night goes by and suddenly this subsection implodes.
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And nowhere did I say that they were not friends... I think you are interpreting things into my answers which are not there. I don´t know if you´ve convinced yourself that I somehow hate Ranka and don´t believe that Alto truly was her friend... that is not true. I do not hate Ranka per se, I hate that she didn´t grow up like the others did and still can keep being a competitor for Alto( I won´t get into my way of thinking that she only is that in her own mind... that´d open a wholly other can of worms ). I think Alto truly was her friend in the end... but only that. Quote:
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I said Ranka is why he joined the military. Which is 100% correct, if you remember that from episode one ( Yack Deculture Edition ) he was not sure how we would go about piloting, only that he wanted to be a pilot. He was not sure at that time that he wanted to be a military pilot. Quote:
And, yeah, she did evolve until a certain point, which is about to the half-way of the series. It is at episode 19 where she begins to backslide in a BIG way. She leaves the president hanging to chase after Ai-kun, decides that EVERYTHING IS ABOUT ALTO, totally loses it because she finds Alto holding Sheryl ( which couldn´t have been because Sheryl had fainting spells... oh, wait, it was! ) and suddenly she just cannot sing anymore for the people of Frontier... although she herself had said before that she wanted to do just that. She has a total null-reaction to her best friend being injured in front of her. How exactly is that not self-centered? How does that not lack empathy? Grmbl. I see I still got a lot rage points left, I better make a willpower check before going into a wyrm frenzy. <obscure roleplaying reference inserted > Quote:
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As for Sheryls motivations, I´d say she first liked that Alto didn´t treat her like a celebrity. They both developed a deeper both in episode six, when they both found out that they didn´t like their respective homes. Sheryl did interest herself for Alto to find out that he was a kabuki actor, as evidenced in episode 10. She remembered that Alto wanted to fly in a real sky, which is from where she got the idea to take him with her to Gallia IV, she exhausted herself almost into fainting, wanting to give him his present in episode 12.... it´s simply that she cares about his feelings and desires. I´m sure Ranka wants him to be happy, too, but I think she approaches it from the wrong perspective, i.e "Alto would be most happy by being with me!". Quote:
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Ranka simply stands out as the most fallible of the characters. Since her decisions negatively affected so many people on Frontier and since the series in the end doesn´t clean up her act ( as notably, it does with all the other main characters ), she receives a great share of negative scrutiny. The triangle ending is just the dessert on top of that, although a hugely irritating one for me, personally. BTW, people, the whole "texting" sillyness has really gone on long enough. The point Gubaba was making is "Hey, I remember she and Alto were texting each other all the time during the early episodes". To which I responded "There were a total of three text messages between over the early episodes and none of them were Alto telling her anything about himself.". I really don´t know what more there is to argue about that. Quote:
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Not very likely, I know. I´ve been in internet discussions for the last thirteen years, and it is very seldom that someone really changes someones else mind during such a discussion. The last time it happened to me here was when Father Hentai came up with a second workable hypothesis on how pre-planned Rankas flight from Frontier was. What then is the point of such futility? Exchange of information, of ideas... the simple fun of discussing a series and characters we all like ( or dislike... also a motivation ) very much, with people who also care about our passion. Quote:
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Look, nobody here should attack someones statement of "I like Ranka". But if someone comes in and says "I like Ranka and I think she totally understood what makes Alto tick!" ( just a random example ), then this person sets her/himself up for an argument, because quite a lot of people disagree with this.
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2009-07-21, 04:51 | Link #1796 | |
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The example you make does fit more to a person like Sheryl who has a lot of self confidence but as Rankas characteristics is more passive and introvert until episode 21 (I refer now to Star date where she confessed to Alto and what she really desired but was never to reach him (because he was dull)) it does not match to the green haired moe of the series. Quote:
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2009-07-21, 06:14 | Link #1800 | |
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What bothers me moreso is the meta-discussion in this thread. Some of these generalizations are getting increasingly tiresome, especially when they don't even apply to the majority of fans. If you've got a problem with specific posts or a specific poster, I'd much rather you resolve things with the person(s) in question instead of blasting everyone who has a vaguely similar preference in characters. Check your soapbox in at the door. I may be abstaining from the present discussion, but that doesn't mean that I concur with what's being said. I think the same holds true for many of us. |
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