Nanoha Manga Discussion

[ghost_zero5]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

because everyone thought Nanoha would tell her. But being the absentmind dad, Nanoha forgot

I wonder about that. I mean if she really forgot. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if Nanoha didn't tell her to see her face when she finds out

But interesting that that mode is actually achieved through Vivio's magic (after certain training). However, I guess it might be only useable combination with her device though (don't needs to be active though). Actually, I am a bit surprised that something like this is possible That is quite uncommon even for this series.
I wonder if Vivio is going to keep her promise. I guess though because it was Nanoha she made the promise with but after all she is still a teenager

Regarding "dad": She is still female though she might be more like a dad to Vivio if you compare her to Fate (btw. how is her name actually written in Japanese?).

[TheShinySword]

I'm sure Nanoha just couldn't think of how to bring it up in a conversation

Nanoha: So how's the weather over there?
Fate: Um... I'm in outer space... in a spaceship
Nanoha: riiiiiiiiigt oh by the way. Viviocannowturnintoanadultatwill.
Fate: What was that last part?
Nanoha: How's the weather again?

[Evangelion Xgouki]

I'd chalk it up to work. Nanoha being married to her work and Fate off-world for long periods as an Enforcer (plus training Teana on the duties of an Enforcer).

[ghost_zero5]

Originally Posted by TheShinySword

I'm sure Nanoha just couldn't think of how to bring it up in a conversation

Nanoha: So how's the weather over there?
Fate: Um... I'm in outer space... in a spaceship
Nanoha: riiiiiiiiigt oh by the way. Viviocannowturnintoanadultatwill.
Fate: What was that last part?
Nanoha: How's the weather again?

That is probably the most likely explanation.
I mean really: How the heck would you tell that to someone? Especially, without that person being there directly

[NorthernFallout]

A few notes
*Used Winterbraid's translation.
*First time doing this, the editing might be a bit rough and the SFX use is not consistent on the first few pages.
*I have not double-checked with someone else regarding correct translation grammar.
*They are in order (check the filenames if else)
*Differing font sizes to fit, some go outside.
*Tips and comments welcome.

http://s455.photobucket.com/albums/q...%20Scanlation/

I will go over it tomorrow and fix a few things I'm aware of.

Goddamn heat is killing me X_X

[Keroko]

Probably a case of 'putting it off until it's too late.'

You also have to remember that Fate is also working away most of the time, on patrol in a dimensional warship. So unlike the other characters, the two probably didn't have much chance to tell her at all even if they wanted to.

[itanshi1]

Or didn't know how. It's humorous how childish the parents are being made out to be. So fun and cute all around. Love the chapter ^^

[BPHaru]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

because everyone thought Nanoha would tell her. But being the absentmind dad, Nanoha forgot

She didn't tell Fate on purpose, I suppose, so she didn't have to deal with a worrysome spouse, at the moment.

Originally Posted by Keroko

Probably a case of 'putting it off until it's too late.'

You also have to remember that Fate is also working away most of the time, on patrol in a dimensional warship. So unlike the other characters, the two probably didn't have much chance to tell her at all even if they wanted to.

That doesn't seem to be this case since when Fate is away she keeps in contact with Nanoha and Vivio "as often as a father working away would like".

Originally Posted by TheShinySword

I'm sure Nanoha just couldn't think of how to bring it up in a conversation

Nanoha: So how's the weather over there?
Fate: Um... I'm in outer space... in a spaceship
Nanoha: riiiiiiiiigt oh by the way. Viviocannowturnintoanadultatwill.
Fate: What was that last part?
Nanoha: How's the weather again?

lol
That was great

Cuídense y sigan sonriendo

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by BPHaru

That doesn't seem to be this case since when Fate is away she keeps in contact with Nanoha and Vivio "as often as a father working away would like".

And there are fathers who do so with only the occasional communication. I know you're of the opinion that they keep in contact daily, but that also means they would have been lying to Fate every day. I find that rather questionable for both Nanoha and Vivio to do.

Keeping contact every day means you talk about the details. Keeping contact every other while means you can skim the details and talk globally, its much easier to keep a secret without lying that way. It also makes Nanoha's forgetting to tell Fate more reasonable, if they communicated daily then forgetting to tell her something like this after both of them had decided to let the cat out of the bag is really bordering the edges of being acceptable.

[BPHaru]

Originally Posted by Keroko

And there are fathers who do so with only the occasional communication. I know you're of the opinion that they keep in contact daily, but that also means they would have been lying to Fate every day. I find that rather questionable for both Nanoha and Vivio to do.

Keeping contact every day means you talk about the details. Keeping contact every other while means you can skim the details and talk globally, its much easier to keep a secret without lying that way.

I don't consider don't talking about a determinate subject lying, except if you're directly asked about it.
If Nanoha didn't want to worry Fate she could simply avoid the details.

Cuídense y sigan sonriendo

[Keroko]

Deceiving, then. It changes little. If they communicated daily then Nanoha forgetting to tell Fate is not something you can easily muffle away. At least having long periods of time between communications would mean they have lots to talk about, and things may get lost in conversation, giving Nanoha's forgetting some credit.

[BPHaru]

Originally Posted by Keroko

Deceiving, then. It changes little. If they communicated daily then Nanoha forgetting to tell Fate is not something you can easily muffle away.

I wouldn't call it deceiving either because she's not doing anything nor lying Fate, I don't think someone as kind as Nanoha could have that kind of values, because she never did something with bad intentions. I didn't say that she went for the route of forgetting it, but it isn't such a big deal either, or at least I think it isn't for Nanoha, but she knew that it would be for Fate, so she could avoid the details of Vivio's training.

Cuídense y sigan sonriendo

[Keroko]

Not talking about details in daily conversations?

... You know what, forget it. If you want to believe Nanoha is so heartless towards Fate that she doesn't even take the effort to remember telling her about Vivio in their 'daily' conversations, then be my guest.

[itanshi1]

Well, its comedic affect? I mean it went over well the first time, its not like fat e vanished between chapters nor did much time pass by. Maybe in the second scenario she let Vivio explain it.

But yeah it doesn't bode too well for family cohesion if Nanoha and Fate aren't communicating that often. They don't have a 'bad' relationship', it's just not marriage. It appears with fate gone for long amounts of time even being a few months here and there and even with video chatting etc, nanoha and vivio are much closer together.

I'd even wonder about 'their' relationship. Shopping together, they are not quite mother and daughter, its peculiar. How would Nanoha rationalize this? That's without Vivio's take, of course.

Another thing comes to my mind, I recall mothers and daughters both dressed up as pat benatar or something liek that, basically one looking younger while the other looks older. Such a thing might read to me as 'ugly' and 'sickly humorous', but not necesarily. That scene wouldn't make me wonder about 'their' relatipship, but it does continue my wondering about Nanoha's rationalization. She has what, 13 years on her? and when she transforms its more like 10? That is a margin with only a 1 generation gap.

So, they wouldn't just like the same kind of tv shows, music, books, etc. They'd enjoy hunting for the same kind of boyfriend (for example) with only marginal differences. I could even see them hunting the same 'tail' (for example). This is with transformation.

[Keroko]

I don't know about you, but Fate is looking more than a tad hurt in page 10 of this chapter when she finds out even Erio and Caro knew about this. I doubt this was Nanoha's intent, so I can only conclude that it was indeed an accident.

[BPHaru]

Originally Posted by Keroko

Not talking about details in daily conversations?

... You know what, forget it. If you want to believe Nanoha is so heartless towards Fate that she doesn't even take the effort to remember telling her about Vivio in their 'daily' conversations, then be my guest.

It isn't about not telling Fate about Vivio, but about a certain detail of her current training that may be meaningless to Nanoha, but she knows will worry Fate. And it's not heartless either, actually it's the oppose, it's being considerate about a person she loves.
I have daily conversation with my mother too for at least half hour, and I don't tell her about things that I know will worry her. And that's not because I'm heartless, but because I love her.

Originally Posted by itanshi1

But yeah it doesn't bode too well for family cohesion if nanoha and fate aren't communicating that often.

Well, according to the author they are communicating "as often as a father working away would like", so you could suppose that it's daily, or at least often.

Originally Posted by Keroko

I don't know about you, but Fate is looking more than a tad hurt in page 10 of this chapter when she finds out even Erio and Caro knew about this. I doubt this was Nanoha's intent, so I can only conclude that it was indeed an accident.

You can't always predict how others will react, even if they are very close to you, or this may be just a thing that was carried away as you proposed earlier.

Cuídate y sigue sonriendo

[itanshi1]

I'll reply here, others relax please.

Spoiler for haru quote and responces:

Originally Posted by BPHaru

It isn't about not telling Fate about Vivio, but about a certain detail of her current training that may be meaningless to Nanoha, but she knows will worry Fate. And it's not heartless either, actually it's the oppose, it's being considerate about a person she loves.
I have daily conversation with my mother too for at least half hour, and I don't tell her about things that I know will worry her. And that's not because I'm heartless, but because I love her.

>>>>Intentional omission is not consideration of the other. It shows you do not trust their reaction or ability to cope with it. But, it must be said that intentional omission is a Japanese way of looking at things, like saying so and so is doing fine when in fact they died. This is a conflict of culture. It also depends on the severity of the topic.

Well, according to the author they are communicating "as often as a father working away would like", so you could suppose that it's daily, or at least often.

>>>> see link below

You can't always predict how others will react, even if they are very close to you, or this may be just a thing that was carried away as you proposed earlier.

Cuídate y sigue sonriendo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salaryman

I'll take keroko's updated POV, its a comedic accident of omission. Fate was gone so long she missed everything. I do not know if they had many if any communication via video transmissions etc.

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by itanshi1

I'll take keroko's updated POV, its a comedic accident of omission. Fate was gone so long she missed everything. I do not know if they had many if any communication via video transmissions etc.

Oh they had them, but the used words were the rather vague 'as often as a father working away from home' which, really, could mean anything from every day to maybe once a month depending on the job.

Haru's 'not telling Fate in order to avoid worrying her' argument would make sense, if not for Vivio's surprise in the former chapter concerning Fate's surprise, indicating that they did have every intent to tell her, but just never got around to do it. This is rather questionable when communicating daily.

[itanshi1]

It helps my view that they are all still 'childish'. I mean at 25, she is college age like myself and everyone I know. I know well how childish my friends can be from drama llamas to backstabbing, to raunchy humor. Even so, this childishness is of a level akin to the rest of the cuteness Vivio conveys. It fits in with the atmosphere the comic gives off.

So, yeah of course its not quite the same sort of childishness from my college to their lifestyle.

Spoiler for My opinion as of now as to their relationship:

They aren't a couple, they are two women placed together like a couple because of a myriad of agreeable and complicated circumstances. Overall, this is bizarre as heck and I'd love to call it a cop out, but I give up. I'll sit back and enjoy the cute show.

Plus, Fate looks like she loves her own adopted children more than vivio even if such a comparison is meaningless. Chapter 2 did convey this.

[Evangelion Xgouki]

There's also factoring in that when a description is given comparing to a job or role, it is being compared to the Japanese equivalent.