The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya - Episode 15 Discussion / Poll [2009 added ep. 5]

[W-General]

Originally Posted by Takamura Mamoru

Why make the first Season with so much love only to give us the finger after that?

Something has gone utterly wrong here. I realize it isn't KyoAni's fault really, I just wonder what exactly happened.

We can look at it two ways:
1) We don't know why, but whatever it is, it upset Yamakan so much that he quit KyoAni.
or
2) It sucks exactly because there's no more Yamakan to be the creative mind behind Haruhi. The rest of them at KyoAni doesn't know how to make Haruhi good again and they mistook trolling as creativity when there's no correlation between the two.

[Ithekro]

but, still, WHY?

Why not? It is the repeating episode, so no matter which group did the work they could still get it shown on screen no matter how many they actually made. And it would still be "correct". The only thing that need to be changed would be the dialogue of what loop it is. Aside from the first time and the last time the remaining X number would be the "art test reels", for all practical accounts. Thus they could get a lot of material "filler" if they ever needed it.

I'm not sure who's pulling the strings, but when it comes to Haruhi, whoever is pulling knows the material and uses it to their full advantage. Using specific days for marketing stunts (7/7/07 and 12/18), waiting "three years" before reairing the show. Listing Haruhi as the "Ultra Director". Looping "Endless Eight" into a 5 or more episode arc to increase the amount of despair. Pulling some things in Haruhi-chan. One wonders what else they will try to do.

[jonli]

Originally Posted by W-General

We can look at it two ways:
1) We don't know why, but whatever it is, it upset Yamakan so much that he quit KyoAni.
or
2) It sucks exactly because there's no more Yamakan to be the creative mind behind Haruhi. The rest of them at KyoAni doesn't know how to make Haruhi good again and they mistook trolling as creativity when there's no correlation between the two.

Wait what? I'm oblivious to this Yamakan thing.

Can you elaborate?

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by W-General

2) It sucks exactly because there's no more Yamakan to be the creative mind behind Haruhi. The rest of them at KyoAni doesn't know how to make Haruhi good again and they mistook trolling as creativity when there's no correlation between the two.

Yamakan had little to do with Haruhi other than Episode 00, Live Alive, although those were easily some of the best and most creative episodes. And the ED, but we all know how awesome that was.

Originally Posted by Ithekro

I'm not sure who's pulling the strings, but when it comes to Haruhi, whoever is pulling knows the material and uses it to their full advantage. Using specific days for marketing stunts (7/7/07 and 12/18), waiting "three years" before reairing the show. Listing Haruhi as the "Ultra Director". Looping "Endless Eight" into a 5 or more episode arc to increase the amount of despair. Pulling some things in Haruhi-chan. One wonders what else they will try to do.

I'm still convinced they actually have no idea what they're doing.

But I can still hope. Barely.

[Roger Rambo]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Two possibilities exist: Either they'll end this season unceremoniously and that'll be the only conclusion we can come to, or they'll do something incredible that explains everything and we'll be all "...oh".

The only way I can see something like this happening is if it turns out this season is longer than they originally implied, in order to make room for other arcs when considering all the endless 8 episodes.

...but that still doesn't really explain why their doing this. All the endless 8 episodes don't make them money on broadcast. The best the endless 8 episodes could do is not hurt DVD sales...so why bother increasing the overall series expense by producing 5+ profitless episodes?

[Dakota]

Update on subs: Mazui is dropping Haruhi, and picking up Spice and Wolf. Goddamn.

[Roger Rambo]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Update on subs: Mazui is dropping Haruhi, and picking up Spice and Wolf. Goddamn.

Not that surprising, since each episode is essentially the exact thing over and over again.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

...but that still doesn't really explain why their doing this. All the endless 8 episodes don't make them money on broadcast. The best the endless 8 episodes could do is not hurt DVD sales...so why bother increasing the overall series expense by producing 5+ profitless episodes?

Like I said, the "...oh" factor.

If I'm right and not being too optimistic (SHOCK ) there's something we're overlooking and that they're going to do, and it will be awesome.

Or they could just be idiots. We'll see in a few weeks.

Actually, let's see. Broadcast for this would be ending early October, right? And they still have the last four originals to do. So, we'll see in at most early September.

[Thingle]

This must be the time someone must decapitate that God wannabee with a left high kick and snap those guys out of her evil loop.

[Roger Rambo]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Like I said, the "...oh" factor.

If I'm right and not being too optimistic (SHOCK ) there's something we're overlooking and that they're going to do, and it will be awesome.

Or they could just be idiots. We'll see in a few weeks.

I suppose they may at the very least be hoping to pull off some kind of giganto mind fuck that will blow everyone else way. Because quite frankly, greed is a much stronger force than evil.

The world would be a terrifying place if the desire to do evil became stronger than the desire to acquire wealth.

[jonli]

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

The only way I can see something like this happening is if it turns out this season is longer than they originally implied, in order to make room for other arcs when considering all the endless 8 episodes.

...but that still doesn't really explain why their doing this. All the endless 8 episodes don't make them money on broadcast. The best the endless 8 episodes could do is not hurt DVD sales...so why bother increasing the overall series expense by producing 5+ profitless episodes?

Well from my study of animation. The Endless Eight episodes cost a lot less to produce.

They use a lot of still shots, and the storyboards and everything else are literally the same.

So it is actually still a risk they're taking, but not as big and wasteful as you think it is. Companies take risks all the time, a recent example would be Sony and the Playstation 3. Each Playstation 3 is selling at a loss still and they STILL haven't dominated the market yet. What they're doing isn't stupid, it's a risk of investment that they take.

KyoAni here is taking an unusal risk, seems like they're doing this for creativity, publicity and fame. Just to get themselves back on the "wow it's them!" state.

[bhl88]

lol the new poll should be:

How long will the Endless Episode 8 end? (well after the discovery of Kyon that it will not end ever)

3-
4-
5-
6-
7-
8-
Never ever-

But I guess people now here will vote "never ever"...

KyoAni, we cannot wait until September... you too Kyon.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

I suppose they may at the very least be hoping to pull off some kind of giganto mind fuck that will blow everyone else way.

See. If they're abusing the loops like this, they need to do something like the last two episodes of Eva.

They totally need to have next episode involve Yuki killing everyone. And it still not ending the loop. THAT'S how you do a time loop story. GRIMDARK.

What I would have done is started off happy, like they did, and gotten darker and darker and more violent until the last episode. That would have been glorious and I doubt anyone would be complaining.

But no. They give us this instead.

Sigh...

[DJLowrider]

Forgive me if I don't read through the rest of the thread, but I must be in the minority here, if not utterly alone. To be quite honest, I'm kind of enjoying the different takes on the Endless Eight story. Sure I'd like to get on to the other stories that are yet to come, but I'm certainly not in any hurry to do so. As has been said, at least they're not recycling animation to do this. They're not even recycling recorded voice acting either.

As for those concerned about episode count, I'm betting this all counts as one episode in the final analysis. If I end up being wrong, though, I'll gladly admit it.

The episode definitely had a K-ON! feel to the animation. Haruhi's facial expressions made her look like Yui. And I really liked the kimonos Haruhi picked out for herself, Mikuru and Yuki this time around. 8/10 episode for me.

[bhl88]

Probably this episode will become the new internet meme:

From Nice Boat

to

Nice Episode or Nice Endless Eight Trolling (N.E.E.T.) and I Hate Kyon Fandom

[Eak]

I'll stick around when it comes to watching Haruhi.. by this series lost me in terms of DVD sales.

[Roger Rambo]

I kinda of thought the same thing to...but I think they're dragging this way beyond good taste.

[Voitan]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

See. If they're abusing the loops like this, they need to do something like the last two episodes of Eva.

They totally need to have next episode involve Yuki killing everyone. And it still not ending the loop. THAT'S how you do a time loop story. GRIMDARK.

What I would have done is started off happy, like they did, and gotten darker and darker and more violent until the last episode. That would have been glorious and I doubt anyone would be complaining.

But no. They give us this instead.

Sigh...

I would've gone with sexier, and sexier. Give those Yuki/Mikuru/Haruhi shippers something to pee themselves happy with.

Originally Posted by bhl88

Probably this episode will become the new internet meme:

From Nice Boat

to

Nice Episode or Nice Endless Eight Trolling (N.E.E.T.) and I Hate Kyon Fandom

I claim "Nice Airplane".

[Kaioshin Sama]

Huh, what happened? 79 painful votes. I'm mortified......

[DJLowrider]

Originally Posted by Kaioshin Sama

Huh, what happened? 79 painful votes. I'm mortified......

Spoiler for Spoiler'd just in case, since it still hasn't been subbed yet:

Long story short, next week is Endless Eight version 5. Time loop still unbroken. Most fans of the series are, to some degree, butthurt over it.