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Perfect 10 | 6 | 14.63% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 15 | 36.59% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 11 | 26.83% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 3 | 7.32% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 5 | 12.20% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 2.44% | |
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2011-10-07, 05:58 | Link #21 | |
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And I also really loved the call back to Ringo's speech on fate at the end of the episode, obviously she is no longer talking about Tabuki and it was nice to frame it with Shouma's speech about fate in the beginning (now I understand why he would say all we knew is we would never amount to anything). It seems a lot of people didn't like the flashback of the Takakura's but I am glad they showed us more of what happened that day. Although it was only one episode later, I did like how Sanetoshi used the same lines as the black bunnies "Don't Give Up the World Didn't End/Stop Turning Just Yet". And finally Momoka being the hat....things have gotten more interesting (although it does make Himari less compelling, but oh well!)
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2011-10-07, 07:32 | Link #22 |
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Has anyone noticed that 2 pieces of apple on a dish in Masako's room are practically identical with that Student Council meeting scene in episode 5 of Utena where there was a whole apple lying on a chair in one shot and in the next one, the apple was shown being cut into pieces that resembled rabbits?
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2011-10-07, 08:58 | Link #23 |
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Hmm, I wasn't really feeling this episode. After such a big buildup last week, this one was just a lot of exposition. It wasn't bad, just kind of anti-climatic I suppose.
Edit: I'm leaning towards the hat being the girl who was with Sanetoshi (Momoka.) He loved her but she didn't love him back. When he put the hat on Himari in episode 9, he tried to kiss her and she rejected him yet again.
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2011-10-07, 11:03 | Link #26 |
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Interesting that it seemed like Mario died at the same time Himari did. Would explain why Natsume was thanking him for the serum. So Momoka is the hat that Himari has, but i wonder who is in the hat that Mario has. I wonder who has the other half of the diary.
Tough news for kids to have to deal with, felt bad for them, ut at least we got to see how they came to know about it. Seems like Ringo has given up on Tabuki now. So i wonder what the scars on his hand are from, looked like he got them before the incident happened.
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2011-10-07, 11:56 | Link #28 | |
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I also think this episode implies that Momoka = Princess of the Crystal. I have only one problem : If so then she's Ringo's sister. Why has she never shown any sign of recognition? Not to mention that she always called Ringo bad names too. I can accept that she maybe tomboyish but did she really have to go that far towards her own sister? Just wondering. |
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2011-10-07, 11:58 | Link #29 |
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I didn't enjoy this episode as much as last week's but it was still good.
I just had a question about the flashback when the siblings are at the hotel. Shouma says: Spoiler for -:
So... Spoiler for -:
EDIT: I agree with you, pessimstic_freak. Shouma's eyes seem to be a mixture between Chiemi's and Kenzan's anyway (even if the Takakura brothers where not siblings, I actually think it would make more sense to say Shouma was the real son because of that). |
2011-10-07, 12:28 | Link #30 |
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9/10 for this episode.
The plot has become a little bit confusing in this anime, but the artwork, animation, style, characterization, drama, suspense, bgm, etc... was all excellent in this episode. I also have to agree with Kazu-kun on Ringo. She took a major step forward this episode, and her character is more likable for it, imo. I also think that Ringo's character ironically became more important in this episode in spite of the fact that she hasn't been a focal point for awhile now. Prior to this episode, I wasn't sure where Ringo fitted into the overarching conflicts of this anime. She seemed to be off pursuing her yandere destiny while the other three major protagonists were the only ones directly involved in the main overarching conflicts of the anime. But I think that's changed now, and I also get a sense that Ringo is being developed as the antithesis to Kanba. This anime talks a lot about fate. It primarily does that through two characters: Kanba (who hates it) and Ringo (who loves it). I think that the theme of this anime will likely come back to the concept of fate. In Kanba, we see someone who fights against it, and who refuses to succumb to it. In Ringo, we see someone who adores it, and seeks to force it. But Ringo has changed a bit here. Ringo has taken on the approach that there are things in life that can't be preserved forever (much as Tabuki said to her), and hence it's best to accept that and make the most out of what you have in the here and now. I had initially thought that Ringo's belief in destiny/fate would be crushed by her not fulfilling her goal to become Momoko, but that doesn't appear to be the case here. Ringo appears to be adapting remarkably well. Now... Is this anime saying that Himari's life can't be preserved forever (just like Ringo can't preserve or 'bring back' the exact sort of family life she once had), and that Kanba's struggles to keep her alive by any means necessary are misplaced? Is it saying that Kanba should be more like Ringo, accepting of 'fate' and what it means at a practical level? I would find that interesting given how many viewers have thus far suspected that this anime is attempting to subvert the concept of fate. In any event, Kanba and Ringo have been setup as philosophical rivals, although neither is aware of it. It'll be interesting to see if they ever come to direct conflict due to that. Ultimately, the anime will either agree with Kanba's perspective, or agree with Ringo's perspective, or land on some sort of synthesis between the thesis and antithesis. All of this will likely be tied to the results of the experiment of sorts that Sanetoshi is running. Thematically strong episode, as difficult as it can be too see where the plot is going next.
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2011-10-07, 13:24 | Link #31 | |
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I agree that Shouma was the main instigator here. When Ringo talks about how she loves fate because happy chance encounters can happen, I think it's meeting Shouma that she's talking about. I was very interested in the one, two, three black kittens in the playground watching that conversation with Tabuki.
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Isn't it weird to explain that you little sister is dying because your parents did terrible things years ago and as their children, you've to payed the price. What is that, some kind of inter-generational repayment? I've said it already, but even if one believe in karma and destiny, shouldn't those be tied to your actions only? Why believe your relatives acts, even your parents, would influence drastically your own destiny? IMHO, the siblings reasoning is flawed, baseless... crazy? Most certainly the result of despair (mixed to self-pity?). But still not ok. Ringo realized she was wrong. How long will it be before the brothers do the same. Probably too late... Quote:
Whatever the reason, her harsh treatment toward Himari was weird, she clearly has a personal grudge against her. Tends to reinforce the idea Momoka=PofC for me.
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2011-10-07, 16:08 | Link #33 |
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I started out liking Ringo, then didn't care about her, and now I like Ringo again. Perhaps I'm just as bipolar as she is .
I really got hit hard for whatever reason by Ringo's speech about fate being spliced into he episode again. It fit so well, and was actually really beautiful and touching. Wonderful directing this episode. I really love this ED, much more so than the last one. Penguindrum has successfully reclaimed my interest in it back to where it was at the beginning. Lets hope I don't lose it a little bit like I did before. Really looking forward to how this all turns out for the cast. I'm liking them more and more. Rating is irrelevant, I threw a 9 but could've very well have given a 10 to this episode. I'm just going to sit back and enjoy for now.
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2011-10-07, 16:54 | Link #34 | |
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I think Ringo changed in the sense that before she wasn't willing to accept the bad things that happened to her. She said she believed in fate, but every time things wouldn't come out as she hoped for, she would try to force them to happen, try to force "fate" into what she wanted. So even though she was always talking about fate, in the end she was just trying to subvert it. Overall, she was just running away from her fate, running away from reality. But now it's different. The fact that she's able to accept her father's marriage, and even come to appreciate her encounter with Shouma even though it has brought her painful memories, means that she's willing to face reality. She calls it fate, but that's irrelevant, because she's not running away from it anymore. EDIT: OH, this little spoiler about Ringo seems relevant: Spoiler for Ringo's fate:
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2011-10-07, 17:17 | Link #35 |
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My take on Ringo and the twins vis à vis fate:
Kanba is angry, defiant and a schemer – he wants to find a way to beat the system and refuses to accept the (seemingly) obvious truth about his parents. Ringo embraces fate, or pretends to – first as regards becoming Momoka, then in terms of meeting Shouma. When I say she’s kidding herself I mean she clearly needs to believe things happen for a reason or else her head just can’t process reality. And Shouma seems to be something of a fatalist, with a hint of self-loathing. He sees the dark side of things, embraces not just his parents’ guilt but his own complicity in it just by nature of his birth, and assumes that the terrible events in his life are a result of divine punishment and things will only get worse. Ringo's POV is needed as a point in the triangle with the brothers, which is interesting because in theory, Himari should be the third point. But she’s still more a plot device than a character, someone who acts as a catalyst for events in the lives of Ringo and the boys but doesn’t actively participate or display a distinct perspective very often. Given all the speculation that the sibling relationships in this series may not be all they seem, I wonder if there might be something even deeper here that we’re not privy to yet.
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2011-10-07, 17:45 | Link #36 | |
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IMO the important thing is that Ringo's not running way from her reality anymore. She calls it fate, but that's besides the point. Shouma and Kanba, on the other hand, are still running way from reality. Kanba is still trying to subvert it, and Shouma has given up on it all together.
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2011-10-07, 17:47 | Link #37 | ||
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I mean, let's say your father was a notorious criminal mastermind like Al Capone. You don't think that would influence how your classmates treated you at school? Speaking personally, my father was a teacher at the same school I attended. In fact, I was even in his class once (Grade 4). For good or for ill, this definitely had an impact on how my classmates treated me. I do think that the brothers are taking this to a bit of an unhealthy extreme, but sociologically speaking, it really can sometimes be difficult to escape character presumptions based on what your parents were like (this is particularly true for teenagers, I think). It can feel like you're being punished for the crimes of your parents, or have lofty expectations thrust upon you based on what your parents are like. With that in mind, I wouldn't be surprised if Kanba and Sho have faced some ostracization from their peers given how their parents were behind a terrorist act. Quote:
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2011-10-07, 17:57 | Link #38 |
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As always, I'm a bit late to the party. I always enjoy reading the impressions in these threads, though.
One thing I didn't see mentioned; when Tabuki talks about the last time he saw Momoka, we see the two of them part hands, and Tabuki's fingers are already scarred. Before that, one might assume that "the incident" would be where he might have suffered such an injury. Whatever caused it is probably important, if only to understand his character. Ringo's character development might seem overdue to some, but it's a beautiful thing to watch. I wonder if the parents were ever caught. I assume they're still on the run, but I don't think it's been said outright. Are Satanoshi's Oompa-Loompas the bunnies? They look similar. Nice touch with the two rabbit-shaped apple slices while Satanoshi is on the phone. The new ED gets a big thumbs-up. |
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As an aside, it's kind of amusing how they've only seemingly gone to school...once? twice? this season. I admit to knowing next to nothing about the Japanese school system, but my own highschool flunked anyone absent more than five days a quarter. Quote:
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2011-10-07, 18:14 | Link #40 |
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I'll stick to my guns on Ringo, because for her entire life she's felt the need to use the crutch of believing that her decisions were unimportant, that she was just following a chosen path. For most of that time it was the Momoko fantasy, and now - rather than try and face an uncertain future - she's transferred that faith to something else (Shouma). There's nothing wrong with faith or belief, but I think she's also afraid of anything she can't explain away.
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