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Keitaro · 2003-12-18, 18:00

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Originally Posted by Killua4Hire

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Thats exactly what I wan't to know. Spiral was very good in the begining lots of potential then it all went downhill. I was like o shit this show is cool then the next thing you know it ends with not a single question answered which the plot seemed to rely heavily on then tells us oh it doesn't matter anymore and it ends. Piece of crap.... ended just like E's Otherwise.

boneyjellyfish · 2003-12-18, 18:09

Killua4Hire - Those are three questions that nobody knows the answers to. I don't think even the manga readers know the answers :\

NoSanninWa · 2003-12-18, 18:37

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Originally Posted by Killua4Hire

ok, I just finished watching Spiral in import DVD...and I'm confused like hell. It didn't help that the sub was horrendous. Can someone who has seen the whow clarify the following points for me? Thanks!

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Thelastguardian · 2003-12-19, 00:54

the manga version has not even finish yet...

Killua4Hire · 2003-12-19, 01:49

Thank you so much guys! It doesn't really clear up much, but it feels good to know I wasn't the only one being utterly confused by this show

. BTW, sorry about not using the spoiler tag, I'm new to the forum, I didn't know that thing existed, I'll make sure I use it from now on

. Well...now I guess I'll go to watchign something a lil less damaging to my poor brain...like Yu Yu Hakushi

drvtech · 2003-12-19, 02:14

To answer 2,

Spoiler:

at the time there was explosions and fire in the factory. When an object explodes, it usually releases a tremendous pressure as a compressed wave radiating outward. Normally when something explodes, it won't cause a chain reaction. But, the items that were exploding were made of gunpowder, which also generates tremendous amounts of heat, and as gunpowder is naturally unstable (hence the need to touch copper plates before entering a facility with gunpowder to remove all excess static electricity) so a little heat from a little fire, would cause the chemical make-up to change, causing an explosion. Okay, that's the background for that part. Now in the beginning, I believe dynamite was used (which is a different formulation) so it also generates a lot of heat and sets things close to it on fire, this fire then can give enough "activation energy" to gunpower (in the fireworks) causing it to explode which then forces the fire even further out. This heat and the rapid expansion of the fires generating the heat causes the massive chain reaction. But it requires excess fireworks to keep it expanding. Now imagine that I took a chain of those red chinese fireworks and added a length of string in the middle without any fireworks. The explosions will continue to the point where the string was attached, but afterwards, there will be a lull as the spark burns towards the next set of fireworks. The string is similar to what Ayami did by tossing in the bomb. Now there could be questions of why didn't the bomb also create a chain reaction? That goes to chemistry as a certain amount of energy input is needed to cause gunpowder to go unstable and explode. So therefore, the bomb Ayami threw probably didn't contain enough of this energy to further the momentum of the explosions. But since there were many fires and such in the warehouse, eventually enough energy would be transfered to cause the reaction to start again. Think of a forest fire, the firemen sometimes will burn a ring of trees around the forest fire in hopes of containing the wild fire. Similar though process used by Ayanami. Remove the fuel and you buy time.

Fronzel · 2003-12-19, 14:30

You should get s fansub version, if you can. The Kraze and Empire versions are good.

Can someone please license it and the manga? It's one of the few things I've seen in fansub I'd want to buy, weak ending or not. And at least the ending wasn't like Sakura Diaries or Kare Kano (or so I hear for the latter), which is just "Stop. No More."

I like the irony that Rio is the sterotypical cute anime girl, but she also kills people, and the fact that Hiyono and Ayumu are adorable togerther, even if Ayumu is a wet blanket.

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Originally Posted by drvtech

Similar though process used by Ayanami. (empashis added)

Wrong show, friend. Hah! I mock your minor mistake!

drvtech · 2003-12-19, 23:03

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Originally Posted by Fronzel

Wrong show, friend. Hah! I mock your minor mistake!

Hehe, I apologize for the mistake. I should know better given that I at least followed and translated an episode of Spiral. But it was quite a while ago. ^_^.

kamij0 · 2003-12-28, 01:20

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Originally Posted by Killua4Hire

ok, I just finished watching Spiral in import DVD...and I'm confused like hell. It didn't help that the sub was horrendous. Can someone who has seen the whow clarify the following points for me? Thanks!

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just finished watching spiral too,

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PocariSweat · 2003-12-28, 17:05

Spiral is just one giant "Psyche!" of an anime. It sets itself up to be a mystery style show, but then just gets utterly lost in it's pointless bomb fetish and silly overwrought Batman style traps.

The fireworks factory is good example: First no one would generate *that* much static electricity without a Tesla coil strapped to their back. Even so, all Arumi had to do was touch a slightly non conductive object (like a cement wall, wood, or the floor) which will discharge you slowly enough not to spark (try it yourself sometimes). Taking off his shoes would do it too. Second, the whole "fight fire with fire" idea is probably based on using explosives to put out stuff like oil well fires. That doesn't make sense here though. The only way his bomb could be of any use would maybe be to blow a hole to escape through before the main bomb went off. That's hard enough to do without setting off the whole mess, but the show implies the bombs somehow canceled each other out long enough for him to escape.

It's quite a joke to have a mystery series where not ONE of the central questions are answered. Instead we have a fuzzy "I'm ok - you're ok" ending trying to convince us the real answers don't matter. It's kinda like a bad magician shouting "hey, look over there" to distract the audience as he stuffs a bunny down his trousers.

Adamjt · 2004-01-15, 00:34

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good anime but i waited the hole time just to find out what the Blade Children were and they never tell YOU!

what the hell

kamij0 · 2004-01-15, 06:25

ahh .. seems like the blade children aint important in the 1st place

chamelean75 · 2004-03-13, 22:57

Maybe the reason why so many questions were left unanswered was because there may be a season 2? Anyone know if there will be a season 2?

wao · 2004-03-13, 23:10

I think the case with Spiral is as it is with a lot of other anime; the manga simply hasn't finished and they decided to just stop there first. Damn you J.C. Staff. I WANT MORE SPIRAL!

I really really really really really want the manga to see how it continues. Gee... I agree the "ending" was one of the shittiest ever...

Hehe, despite the ridiculous parts of the show and other really erk parts, I still love it. XP It's one show I can truly say is love-or-hate... either you hate it to bits or you love it.

dkellis · 2004-03-14, 04:37

To echo what most people have already said, I was also quite disappointed in the ending.

Spoiler tags just in case.

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azndragnz2k · 2004-04-04, 21:43

In the anime Spiral, i have just recently finshed it, but i;m somewhat left hanging. I don;'t understand what kiyotaka's purpose was and what Ayumu had to do, adn why were the blade children so unfortunate.

Can someone explain to me the ending of this anime or what's this whole thing suppose to mean?

suguru · 2004-04-04, 21:56

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Originally Posted by azndragnz2k

In the anime Spiral, i have just recently finshed it, but i;m somewhat left hanging. I don;'t understand what kiyotaka's purpose was and what Ayumu had to do, adn why were the blade children so unfortunate.

Can someone explain to me the ending of this anime or what's this whole thing suppose to mean?

Unfortunately, I'm not sure anyone can do that, the anime was left *very* open-ended. I understand the manga is still running, so maybe more is explained there, but the anime explained virtually nothing. After 26 episodes, you still don't know who the Blade Children are, why they need to be exterminated, etc.--it's the kind of "ending" that made me delete Spiral off my HD pretty quickly...

boneyjellyfish · 2004-04-04, 21:58

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Originally Posted by azndragnz2k

Can someone explain to me the ending of this anime or what's this whole thing suppose to mean?

I promise you that we'll tell you as soon as we find out.

Village Idiot · 2004-04-04, 22:55

Spiral was one of those anime series that started while the manga was just beginning, then had to end before the manga was no where close to finishing, hence no one but the writer of the manga knew what the hell was going on.

The manga is being scanned/subbed already, though it is being released very slowly.

Last I heard, the manga is at around vol 7 or so.

baka · 2004-04-05, 14:22

if you were paying attention to it i will say you had to pay attention to almost every world of it to understand but i called this my overachievers anime . Well worth the time In my opinion. I wont give spoilers because I don't i believe it ruins it for the future enjoyment of anime fans who have not seen shows.

2003-12-19, 01:49	Link #25
Killua4Hire Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Age: 41	Thank you so much guys! It doesn't really clear up much, but it feels good to know I wasn't the only one being utterly confused by this show . BTW, sorry about not using the spoiler tag, I'm new to the forum, I didn't know that thing existed, I'll make sure I use it from now on. Well...now I guess I'll go to watchign something a lil less damaging to my poor brain...like Yu Yu Hakushi

2004-01-15, 00:34	Link #31
Adamjt Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Greenwood, Nova Scotia Age: 44	Spiral! Arg! Spoiler! Spoiler good anime but i waited the hole time just to find out what the Blade Children were and they never tell YOU! what the hell

2004-03-14, 04:37	Link #35
dkellis illusion control Author Join Date: Mar 2004 Age: 41	To echo what most people have already said, I was also quite disappointed in the ending. Spoiler tags just in case. Spoiler: From what I can see, the Blade Children started killing people because they were being hunted. They were being hunted because they killed people. It's a circular argument, that did not get answered in the end. For all we know, the hunters (I think the term was) were religious fanatics who wanted to kill the Blade Children "just because". For all the impressive mysteries the show presents us, it's kind of depressing to see that the story itself got nothing more than a token effort.

2004-04-04, 21:43	Link #36
azndragnz2k Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004	Spiral anime questions Spoilers In the anime Spiral, i have just recently finshed it, but i;m somewhat left hanging. I don;'t understand what kiyotaka's purpose was and what Ayumu had to do, adn why were the blade children so unfortunate. Can someone explain to me the ending of this anime or what's this whole thing suppose to mean?

2003-12-18, 18:09	Link #22
boneyjellyfish Evangelist of the Kazoo Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: AnimeSuki Forums	Killua4Hire - Those are three questions that nobody knows the answers to. I don't think even the manga readers know the answers :\

2003-12-19, 00:54	Link #24
Thelastguardian ... Join Date: Nov 2003	the manga version has not even finish yet...

2003-12-19, 02:14	Link #26
drvtech Member Join Date: Apr 2003	To answer 2, Spoiler: at the time there was explosions and fire in the factory. When an object explodes, it usually releases a tremendous pressure as a compressed wave radiating outward. Normally when something explodes, it won't cause a chain reaction. But, the items that were exploding were made of gunpowder, which also generates tremendous amounts of heat, and as gunpowder is naturally unstable (hence the need to touch copper plates before entering a facility with gunpowder to remove all excess static electricity) so a little heat from a little fire, would cause the chemical make-up to change, causing an explosion. Okay, that's the background for that part. Now in the beginning, I believe dynamite was used (which is a different formulation) so it also generates a lot of heat and sets things close to it on fire, this fire then can give enough "activation energy" to gunpower (in the fireworks) causing it to explode which then forces the fire even further out. This heat and the rapid expansion of the fires generating the heat causes the massive chain reaction. But it requires excess fireworks to keep it expanding. Now imagine that I took a chain of those red chinese fireworks and added a length of string in the middle without any fireworks. The explosions will continue to the point where the string was attached, but afterwards, there will be a lull as the spark burns towards the next set of fireworks. The string is similar to what Ayami did by tossing in the bomb. Now there could be questions of why didn't the bomb also create a chain reaction? That goes to chemistry as a certain amount of energy input is needed to cause gunpowder to go unstable and explode. So therefore, the bomb Ayami threw probably didn't contain enough of this energy to further the momentum of the explosions. But since there were many fires and such in the warehouse, eventually enough energy would be transfered to cause the reaction to start again. Think of a forest fire, the firemen sometimes will burn a ring of trees around the forest fire in hopes of containing the wild fire. Similar though process used by Ayanami. Remove the fuel and you buy time.

2003-12-28, 17:05	Link #30
PocariSweat ポカリが？どんな動物ですか？ Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: あんたの頭の中	Spiral is just one giant "Psyche!" of an anime. It sets itself up to be a mystery style show, but then just gets utterly lost in it's pointless bomb fetish and silly overwrought Batman style traps. The fireworks factory is good example: First no one would generate that much static electricity without a Tesla coil strapped to their back. Even so, all Arumi had to do was touch a slightly non conductive object (like a cement wall, wood, or the floor) which will discharge you slowly enough not to spark (try it yourself sometimes). Taking off his shoes would do it too. Second, the whole "fight fire with fire" idea is probably based on using explosives to put out stuff like oil well fires. That doesn't make sense here though. The only way his bomb could be of any use would maybe be to blow a hole to escape through before the main bomb went off. That's hard enough to do without setting off the whole mess, but the show implies the bombs somehow canceled each other out long enough for him to escape. It's quite a joke to have a mystery series where not ONE of the central questions are answered. Instead we have a fuzzy "I'm ok - you're ok" ending trying to convince us the real answers don't matter. It's kinda like a bad magician shouting "hey, look over there" to distract the audience as he stuffs a bunny down his trousers.

2004-01-15, 06:25	Link #32
kamij0 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003	ahh .. seems like the blade children aint important in the 1st place

2004-03-13, 22:57	Link #33
chamelean75 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004	Maybe the reason why so many questions were left unanswered was because there may be a season 2? Anyone know if there will be a season 2?

2004-03-13, 23:10	Link #34
wao OK. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Fields of High Attus Age: 34	I think the case with Spiral is as it is with a lot of other anime; the manga simply hasn't finished and they decided to just stop there first. Damn you J.C. Staff. I WANT MORE SPIRAL! I really really really really really want the manga to see how it continues. Gee... I agree the "ending" was one of the shittiest ever... Hehe, despite the ridiculous parts of the show and other really erk parts, I still love it. XP It's one show I can truly say is love-or-hate... either you hate it to bits or you love it.

2004-04-04, 22:55	Link #39
Village Idiot Fate/ Stay Night Join Date: Jun 2003	Spiral was one of those anime series that started while the manga was just beginning, then had to end before the manga was no where close to finishing, hence no one but the writer of the manga knew what the hell was going on. The manga is being scanned/subbed already, though it is being released very slowly. Last I heard, the manga is at around vol 7 or so.

2004-04-05, 14:22	Link #40
baka Apathy Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Shinjuku Society Age: 42	if you were paying attention to it i will say you had to pay attention to almost every world of it to understand but i called this my overachievers anime . Well worth the time In my opinion. I wont give spoilers because I don't i believe it ruins it for the future enjoyment of anime fans who have not seen shows.