KanColle - Historical references and History discussion

[Ithekro]

It was early as well. The Tenryu-class didn't have seaplanes either. Though Yuubari was more a large destroyer with nice guns than a light cruiser. Built to have the firepower of the Sendai-class at roughly half the tonnage.

[panzerfan]

You can't necessary blame Hiiraga on this issue of welding. Japan had to bring in German experts and import compounds to address the welding issues. It was unfortunate that Japan only went back to welding for the Matsu/Tachibana class when it was just too late, but Japan really didn't have the maturity to deploy arc welding in the 20s and 30s.

[Ithekro]

While the Long Lance torpedo was intended a great equalizer against the more numberous Allied ships for night battles, the oxygen torpedoes probably sunk or heavly damaged more Japanese ships than Allied ships. This includes ships that had their torpedoes explode in the tubes due to fires (and possibly scuttling other ships).

The planned tactic would be to use the Long Lance at long range, outside the normal American visual range (at night) as the Japanese had excellent optics and night training. Then they might open fire with flashless powder to not give away their position to the enemy. This sort of worked, save several captains and crews did not follow procedure. There were several instances of the use of spotlights, which tended to get the ship using them blown out of the water by all the Allied ships, as it was the only clear target. Plus by the time the American radar fire control systems became more reliable, the Japanese could expect the Americans to fire before the Japanese launched torpedoes. The Americans also whiching to flashless powder helped later in the war to counter the Japanese night fighting.

When the Japanese torpedo tactics did work, the American did not know they had been attacked by torpedoes and assumed they had run into a minefield, and acted accordingly.

[bhl88]

Originally Posted by Estavali

That's if we can take the word of those who support that claim =3. In any case, I doubt Yuubari was meant to be anything but a sandbox for those two to play with. They probably just implemented everything that came to mind, like pot luck

Like not putting any space in the armor (merging the armor with the structure itself to save weight).... yeah, Yuubari looks like a science experiment...

@Ithreko: Oh I thought it was a gimped light cruiser (as opposed to Tenryuu being a destroyer+)

[Ithekro]

She was a scout cruiser. The American Omaha-class light cruisers were suppose to be scout cruisers to go with a new wave of fast destroyers (Clemson-class) and the original design for the Lexington-class battlecruisers. A 35 knot scouting fleet.

[bhl88]

I mean Madoka Melon-chan Yuubari

[Top Sergeant]

And now we have come to Truk, a major forward fleet base for the IJN, and Yamamoto's headquarters for awhile.

[Ithekro]

Originally Posted by bhl88

I mean Madoka Melon-chan Yuubari

I mean Yuubari as well. She was designed as a scout cruiser.

Tenryuu was designed as an enlarged destroyer leader, except the speed of the new destroyers was greater than expected from when Tenryuu was designed.

[Wild Goose]

As for the Abyssals breaking Kanmusu codes, that's a reference to the US Navy's codebreakers, who broke Japanese codes just prior to Midway.

[bhl88]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

I mean Yuubari as well. She was designed as a scout cruiser.

Tenryuu was designed as an enlarged destroyer leader, except the speed of the new destroyers was greater than expected from when Tenryuu was designed.

It seems they forgot to give her planes and just stacked her with weapons....

[Ithekro]

Only fit so much in under 3,000 tons.

[bhl88]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

Only fit so much in under 3,000 tons.

So the firepower of a heavy cruiser with the armor/speed of a destroyer...

[Ithekro]

More like the firepower of a 5,000 ton light cruiser on a large 3,000 ton destroyer. She had no plane, and only a fewer and lighter torpedoes compared to the other light cruiser and special type destroyers. She was fairly fast.

[bhl88]

Fairly to refer to the destroyer engine's installed into her...

They also said something about merging the armor with the structure.

[SaintessHeart]

Two Kamikaze Pilot's Reprive

Considering that the IJN lost air superiority after Midway after 1CarDiv was sunk, the Kamikaze was a desperate option.

[bhl88]

For some reason, Bismarck has less armor and firepower than the Yamato... did the builder realize that they will only fight land battles?

(Maus, part of Hitler's love for big things, could have worked as a ship than a tank...)

[Klashikari]

Considering the huge difference between the two, I don't see how they could possibily have the same stats.
Yamato had 46cm cannons and a belt armor of 410mm, Bismark "merely" had 38cm and a belt armor of 320mm.

As to why the germans didn't copy the Japanese, most likely due to how they didn't have the same technology and how Yamato is pretty much impracticable. I'm pretty sure the germans didn't share the same philosophy about the battleships anyway.

[Ithekro]

The Germans were building what is basically a large surface raider that could challenge the Royal Navy one on one. Germany was behind in naval construction due to the treaties and aftermath of World War One. So Bismarck is based somewhat on the last class of battleship Germany built in 1916.

[bhl88]

Ah okay, Germany wants 1 on 1 and Yamato is: everything vs everything....

[Sheba]

IIRC, German battleships were mostly pushed by Hitler for "prestige" reasons. And war came too early for the Kriegmarine to build a sizeable surface combat fleet.