(L) Tenjo Tenge!

[emessen]

and how long did it take you to recycle through the manga or google
TenTen to get that summary?

in my opinion... it's highly doubtful that you remember that much detail...
sorry.. but you gotta admit... it's very dubious...

Yeah, yeah, your opinion, whatever.

funny how people can blow off other people's opinions so with such a condescending
attitude when their own opinion holds no validity either...

oh and me?

i never disregarded anyone's opinion... i stated my own...
people aske dme why i said it they didnt like it... i didnt try to
enforce upon anyone my opinion

[Yebyosh]

Originally Posted by emessen

I never said to conform to my opinion... i just stated it... i was asked for reasons
why i thought what i did... i gave them... now you're telling me to back off of the
thread and shut up because i won't conform with the "rest" of this thread's
posters who like the manga and anime becuase of it's story?

Did I say that? I gave a suggestion for you to simply ignore the thread because it is irritating you. It riles you up and you become unhappy and in turn your forceful challenging replies (yes please read your previous replies, they are terribly forceful in tone) are riling up the others. This makes both you and the others unhappy. Why do something if its making you unhappy and in turn trying to force others to get as riled up as you?

I did not tell you to conform. You are welcome to hate Tenjou Tenge all you want. You can state your hate for it. But there was no need to keep replying to each and everyone's post with "I hate Tenjou Tenge" or such. You could have said it all in one post and left it for all to view neh?

Regarding whether there is a story or not from my brain...

Spoiler for Tenjou Tenge's Manga Story:

The numerous pugilistic schools banded together since the Edo Period to form the Organization. This Organization conists of 96 seperate schools and typically the heirs of each school are sent to the school depicted in Tenjou Tenge to be educated in an environment of pugilists.

The Inner Circle heading the Organization consists of 12 Families (Schools) which are the roots of most of the sub-families(12, 36, 48). The Crimson Wing deals with the 6 Forms of the Dragon which mainly falls within the physical realm. The White Wing manifests their power spiritually such that one could call what they do magic.

Practicing the Forms of the Dragon has great powers. However the benefit of such powers also has a possible feedback effect if one has not attained enough self-control and discipline, as well as skill to control the 'Dragon'. Feedback effects include the mutation of one's body or insanity.

The Natsumes were the heirs of the 'Dragon Eye'. Practitioners of this power are able to foresee the future or . In martial arts, this would allow them to 'see' the moves and unprotected regions of the opponent and move to interdict, counter or destroy the opponent. However the feedback effect of this power is that the practitioners go bloodthirstily insane if they fail to control the Dragon. Natsume Shin was gradually consumed by the Dragon. An external control was his love for his sister Maya. However as time goes by, he became more and more bloodthirsty and losing his self control. Eventually tragedy finally struck on the eve of a prognant pugilistic contest. Shin committed suicide whilst taking the life of the woman who loved him. In a balance, his position was replaced his ex-best friend Teruomi who now seemed a changed person. (see story 1 below)

Teruomi now embarked on a new quest. His desire is now to attain the "Real Strength" which was what his father had continually forced him to practice for & which the latter had set up experimentations to discover via the exploitation of Shin. His definiton of the "Real Strength" however is different from his father's. In a bloody coup, Teruomi usurped his father and assumed the positon of the head of the Takayanagi Corporation, as well as the Head of the Organisation with its Inner Circle. However the previous generation of the Inner Circle resents this tyrant and fears that his ways may bring an end to everyone. Not all their heirs (the second generation) share their views and the entire Crimson Wing heirs have thrown their support to Teruomi. Teruomi & his gang has started off hunting down families, in the belief that their styles are not pure and in conflict with the 'Real Strength' or would pose a threat to him.

Story 1 (flashback): A tale of the past in which the main players are Natsume Shin, Natsume Maya & Takayanagi Teruomi. The relationship between the brother & sister borders on incestuous. Teruomi orignally came in as the best friend & follower of Shin but fell in mutual love with Maya. This arouses the ire of big brother who coupled with his growing insanity poisoned his friendship with Shin. Whilst Shin was being used as an experiment, Maya sought to break out of her 'little sister' mold in the eyes of her brother. Teruomi learnt of his friend/boss's bloodthirsty insanity and tried to help but in the end changed to stopping him at all cost. Fumihichi, another friend did stopped Shin at one point to knock some sense into him though at a great sacrifice which till now his injuries have not totally healed.

Item of note: Null Destruction, the sword. The Natsume's family sword that boosts/awakens their 'Dragon Eye' ability. This sword was also used by Shin to murder his parents. Natsume recalled this later in a recollection.

The relationships of the characters are now in one big tangle. Teruomi still loves Maya but she exists as an obstacle to his goals now. Likewise she still loves him but wants revenge for her brother as well as a desire to stop his tyranny. However she is also developing feelings for Shinoichi who likewise is starting to respond. Shinoichi is as of the moment playing the role of the idiotic hero. But Aya has right off declared Shinoichi as her destined and foolishly continues to do so, comdemning her sister for 'snatching her husband'. She fights for whatever Shinoichi is fighting for as well as to 'one-up' her sister. Matsataka is still infatuated with Aya (actually a more preferable final pair up IMHO) but he is filial to his father and probably is in it to punish his brother for his unfilial act. Bob is in it pretty much to be strong but also to avenge his girlfriend's rape. Her strength in remaining strong after the crime is the foundation for his current determination to grow strong.

Yeah pardon my bad recollection (since I may have left something out or recollected it wrongly)... but I think pretty much there is a story there (and no I did not read Shinova's post while posting this nor Google nor what, just a Japanese-English dictionary to translate what I remember of their Kanji names).

Originally Posted by emessen

and how long did it take you to recycle through the manga or google
TenTen to get that summary?

in my opinion... it's highly doubtful that you remember that much detail...
sorry.. but you gotta admit... it's very dubious...

Just because Shinova is able to prove you wrong, you immediatedly cast dispersion on his/her post. wow you are always right eh?

Originally Posted by emessen

well back atcha... it's well within my right to come in here and state my opinion...
if you dont like it.. dont read it, dont reply to it... because i'll state my opinion
regardless...

In that case, it seems you are not one to come seeking discussion but as originally stated you wanted people to approve your opinions. Sorry, most of the people here don't care to or found any reason to do so but you can continue to post your ire as you said.

[emessen]

Just because Shinova is able to prove you wrong, you immediatedly cast dispersion on his/her post. wow you are always right eh?.

umm... shinova didnt prove me wrong... i wasnt the one who asked if you could tell me
what was going on in the story... im the one who asked for what else besides
the action and fanservice is there to this story... what shinova gave was a summary
not an explanation or a reason... and even if they were given to me... that doesnt prove me
wrong... it just provides me with your reasoning

In that case, it seems you are not one to come seeking discussion but as originally stated you wanted people to approve your opinions. Sorry, most of the people here don't care to or found any reason to do so but you can continue to post your ire as you said.

that was a simple retaliation to you telling me to ignore this thread... for the third time
all i did was state my opinion on the anime/manga... i was asked why i though that way
and i answered...

did you expect the entire thread to just be all positive about the anime? whether i came
here to get my opinions approved of or not, i can say exactly the same thing at you
again, you don't want people like me to come in here and state an opinion different than
your own... if there weren't any dissenting views on the anime then it would make this a
very biased thread in favor of it... when it's been agreed that it will not appeal to everyone

[Crimson]

Originally Posted by Shinova

Yeah, yeah, your opinion, whatever.

You know, i'm glad you just said that. Because that means you don't care about other people's opinion so you want this thread to be all biased with morons who kiss you ass and accept everything you say about the show.

Spoiler:

Present day:

Nagi Souchirou and Bob Makihara are two delinquents who arrive at their new high school, at first to merely assert their "rule" over the school. Gradually they get pulled into Natsume Maya's personal war, starting perhaps at about the time Ryuzaki arrives.

Past:

Natsume Shin, who is dead in the present day, used to be the president of the Enforcement Group, which basically oversees and keeps all the fighting the school is famous for from going out of bounds. People call those days the "Golden Age" of the school (forgot the exact name of the school, but who cares?)

Anyway, Shin also heads a group called Katana during the beginning of the past arc, along with Tawara Bunshichi, a fellow junior. During that time, Maya and Takayanagi Mitsuomi are new freshmen at the school. Lately it turns out that someone's been beating up Katana members. The perpetrator turns out to be Maya, but this isn't revealed until later.

Anyway, what's going on behind the scenes is that master Dougen (forgot his full name. Takayanagi Dougen?) wants to create the "ultimate warrior" who he intends to be Mitsuomi. To create this ultimate warrior, the ultimate warrior must first have an absolute darkness to overthrow, to quote Dougen, and that darkness is Natsume Shin and his Dragon's Eye, which allows him to know exactly what his opponent will do before they actually do it. It also puts him in an uncontrollable murderous rage as well.

This ability was first unlocked when the magical katana known as "Reika" was first handed down to Maya for safe-keeping. Because she had no innate powers like the Dragon's Eye, Reika could not affect or corrupt her in any way. She was told to not let anyone touch it, but she lets Shin touch it anyway. Shin goes nuts and has to be kept in a cell---from that point on his sanity is more or less doomed as he sees apparitions of dead people inside his cell on and off. Later on, he murders his parents with Reika. The katana has the power to "trigger" the Dragon's Eye ability inside Shin and is the source of much of the suffering that goes on in the manga.

Now, to keep an eye on Shin, Dougen and his organization employs Mana to act as his "girlfriend." On a special note, Mana is an expert with acupuncture arts. At one point, she seduces Mitsuomi. Her reason for this can be summed up with her words, "Are you afraid of Shin too?" Shin probably knew for a long time that her real job was to keep tabs on him, not as a genuine girlfriend.

Anyway, to go a bit further on, the Enforcement battles are approaching, which is held annually to determine who will comprise the Enforcement group. At least five members must be in each team. And since the Katana group wearing down due to the constant Katana-hunting being done by Maya (a sort of rebellion against her brother, I suppose) Katana was scrapped and Shin proposed the creation of a brand new group for the Enforcement battles.

Hence forms the Jyuukenbu, made up of: Natsume Shin, Tawara Bunshichi, Natsume Maya, Takayanagi Mitsuomi, and Sugano (forgot his full name. Nickname, "Asshat-kun").

Fu'Chien, that arrogant Chinese dude, decides to take matters into his own instead of following Dougen's plan and moves in to draw Shin out. He doesn't get why anyone needs to fear Shin (an untrained teen from this something-something country, he says) So, he takes Maya hostage (stripping her in the process) during the Enforcement battles. Shin arrives and totally annihilates Fu'Chien and his group.

Isuzu (that knife-throwing girl who's really a super-fat chick who uses her spirit to hide all those knives within her fat) tries to stop Shin from going any more out of control but gets nailed to the floor with her own knives. As Shin is about to kill her, Mitsuomi enters the room and rushes toward Shin. Maya cries out Mitsuomi's name and regrets it, since Shin wants to get rid of everyone close to Maya (sister complex mwahaha) So, Shin puts his hand to Mitsuomi's chest and blasts his heart with a load of chi.

What follows is that as a result, Mitsuomi only has a few more years to live, but his heart pumps more blood than usual. As a result for short periods of time he is capable of far more strength, speed, and reflexes than is normally possible. Hence during the final Enforcement battle, Mitsuomi totally wipes out the last opposing team within three minutes, after which he leaves the scene, finds Mana, and throws up a ton of blood. As Mitsuomi says, his life as a martial artist has ended (not actually dead yet, of course).

By this time Maya already loves Mitsuomi and Mitsuomi in return (I think). Mitsuomi comes to Maya's house to get her to explain everything about Shin and what had been going on. Maya's about to say something when she sees Shin behind Mitsuomi, holding a sword against Mitsuomi's back. Maya begs for Mitsuomi to go home. Mitsuomi sees Shin's reflection in Maya's teary eyes. Her tears tell the whole story to Mitsuomi, quoted from Mitsuomi, and Mitsuomi promises that he will beat Shin after two months.

Two months pass and Shin and Mitsuomi finally fight. Mitsuomi is totally beating the hell out of Shin, primarily cause Shin is resisting against the temptation to use the Dragon's Eye, sort of like resisting the temptation to use the Dark Side of the Force, in other words.

Shin's Dragon's Eye had been giving him this vision of a person who delivers death to Shin. For a long time Shin has had that vision, the last thing he sees before death being the fist of that person, the final punch delivered that will end his life.

Mitsuomi is obviously that person. Anyway, at one point Shin tries to take down Mitsuomi with him by trying to smash Mitsuomi's head against the floor with his elbow, but Mitsuomi knocks Shin off. You see Mitsuomi in that fighting stance, smiling, looking at Shin falling down towards the floor. That very scene is shown in the first volume (or the second) as well, except that Mitsuomi is all blacked out. A minor note, really.

Anyway, as Mitsuomi is closing in for the final hit, Mana stops him by getting between the two. Mitsuomi backs off, and Shin sees an opening for the first time in the battle. His Dragon's Eye manifests and he unleashes the Forged Needle Attack against Mitsuomi, THROUGH Mana. Mitsuomi is effectively KO'ed, while Mana has had about half of her midsection blown away.

Shin and Mana have this little tender moment together where Shin takes one of Mana's acupuncture needles and drives it into his ear and the two die together.


Fast forward back to Present Day:


Mitsuomi is now president of the Enforcement Group. Fighting in the school has changed from honorable to one in which anyone with overwhelming resources can win. Mitsuomi's younger brother (I forgot his first name. He will be referred to as Takayanagi for now ^_^) and the father have been run out of the family, and Mitsuomi has taken over the organization and company.

Anyway, Souchirou, Bob, Aya and Maya have a run-in with Mitsuomi and his Enforcement group, consisting of Isuzu, that staff guy, and that other girly-looking dude. Bob almost joins the group but does not after his girlfriend (forgot her name too) convinces him not to.

Souchirou and Mitsuomi, after their first round, almost go at it again when Bunshichi stops Mitsuomi by pouring water all over him. It looks, at this point, that the whole conflict is nothing but a lover's quarrel between Maya and Mitsuomi (to quote Bob's girlfriend). Bunshichi later on tells the past story to Bob and Souchirou.

*geh, my hands are getting tired now*

To really shorten what follows, Aya now has Reika. Souchirou can use the Forged Needle Attack. Bob feels as if the others are leaving his behind in power. The Jyuukenbu finds Asshat and brings him back into the group, along with that weird UFO-looking guy.

Group F, who were loosely working for Mitsuomi (but mostly just for themselves) will be fighting the enforcement battles. Mataza, one of F, kills off most of the Enmi family (those weird spirit, shrine maiden people). The heir escapes to the Natsume house, where the Jyuukenbu hang out most of the time.

Now, by volume ten, Souchirou has already fought one of F and is now fighting Mataza himself along with Aya, Takayanagi, Bob, and that little Enmi kid.

I'm sure I missed some, but I've covered the important stuff

Anyway Crimson, if you're going to bet that someone doesn't know what they're talking about, make sure that person really doesn't know before mouthing off like that, hmm?

I noticed how long it took you to actually answer my question which means you most likely went back into the manga to come up with this summary. I know and you know you didn't remember all of this.

Originally Posted by brightman

Simple. It's interesting. That's what's great about it. If the story is boring, then its bad. Simple as that.

To be more specific I like the whole complexity of the story. The relationships between the characters, the conspiracies, the hidden pasts. Of course, there's also the excellent art of the manga.

Yes the story is boring thats why its bad. simple as that.


complexity of the story = Terrible story

relationships between the characters = sex, sex, and more sex

exellent art = the only good thing in the manga

I can tell you where to post or what to do however I want. If you don't like what I say then that just sucks for you.

You can tell me what to do or where to post however you want, but i don't give a rats ass because you can't make to do any of them.

[Youko Recca]

.....angst overload.....

[brightman]

Originally Posted by Crimson

Yes the story is boring thats why its bad. simple as that.


complexity of the story = Terrible story

relationships between the characters = sex, sex, and more sex

exellent art = the only good thing in the manga

Well judging from your replies so far it's obvious that you have no idea what the manga is about, so we might as well stop arguing here. From the list you posted earlier it seems you only like simpler shounen manga stories like Naruto and HXH which are aimed at a younger audience. So maybe a story like Tenten's is just too mature for you to comprehend.

You can tell me what to do or where to post however you want, but i don't give a rats ass because you can't make to do any of them.

You think I care? It's not like I expected you to listen to me anyway.

[Crimson]

Originally Posted by brightman

Well judging from your replies so far it's obvious that you have no idea what the manga is about, so we might as well stop arguing here. From the list you posted earlier it seems you only like simpler shounen manga stories like Naruto and HXH which are aimed at a younger audience. So maybe a story like Tenten's is just too mature for you to comprehend.



You think I care? It's not like I expected you to listen to me anyway.

I listed three fighting manga's to show you how much better they are compared to Ten Ten. Now you are using those three to say i'm only into manga's thats targeted at kids? Oh please, you have no idea how much other manga's i've read so don't even bother to assume. I'm not even going to bother arguing with you about what i read.

Ten Ten story is not too mature for me, the story is just to weak and its not well written.

[jennwenn]

Originally Posted by ACE2003

Before I post, I would like to send a shout-out to my Animeboards alumn jennwenn. I am under the screename ACE2001. Probably don't give a rats crap huh! ^_^

Wow, good memory! Yeah Animeboards is dead. We all had to go somewhere hehe.

Well, I watched the opening and closing of the first episode. (I make it a rule to watch at least part of whatever show I bash hehehe.)

The opening wasn't bad but I really hate most Japanese rap, so I didn't like the song. It fits the series more than most J-pop songs would though. The animation in the opening was nice with the rundown of the characters (but they left out some major ones!), the manga panels, and the breakdance scene.

Why were the names in Western style and not Japanese? Hmm...

The closing credits were bland. But yeah, its funny how almost ALL the names are Korean. Was any of Tenten made in Japan?!

Hmm, didn't Geneon license Ikkitousen and now Tenten both? Looks like they're trying to steal the title of fanservice king from ADV hehe. They better release Ikkitousen first, or it'll look like crap in comparison. Or maybe they should release Tenten, get people addicted to fanservice'n'fightin, then feed them Ikkitousen because they're desperate for anything more before the withdrawal symptons kick in.

[Yebyosh]

Originally Posted by jennwenn

Well, I watched the opening and closing of the first episode. (I make it a rule to watch at least part of whatever show I bash hehehe.)

Why were the names in Western style and not Japanese? Hmm...

Because Geneon USA is part of the production staff and plans to bring it over to the USA?

Originally Posted by jennwenn

The closing credits were bland. But yeah, its funny how almost ALL the names are Korean. Was any of Tenten made in Japan?!

The animation is done totally by Dr Movie, a Korean production company. All other stuff (sound/editing/acting) is done by the Japanese.

[daimonth]

Heh hopefully the anime will be as good as the manga. I strongly disagree with the opinion that this series is all about fanservice. One of the things I love about this series is the depth of characters. Shin with his struggle to find himself, Mitsuomi with his reliance on power and warped ideal of order, Maya with her conflict of love, hate and guilt toward Mitsuomi, Souichiro with his fight or die ideal, Aya, Masataka, and Bob each caught in their own conflict of loyalty, desire and a sense of inferiority. Heck, most of the 'villains' in this manga make you feel sympathetic toward them on some levels.

[ACE2003]

Just to let you guys know....Tenjo Tenge episode 1 has been subbed....That is all.

[Gold_Rogers]

Originally Posted by Yebyosh

The animation is done totally by Dr Movie, a Korean production company. All other stuff (sound/editing/acting) is done by the Japanese.

Dr. Movie...

it sound SO KOREAN! I dunno why hehehehe

Just so...Korean...

[JubeiYamazaki]

Tenjo Tenge is about fanservice? That's wierd, I never thought about it that way. I mean I hate that type of fanservice in anime, that's why I didn't like Ikkitousen, it was all about fanservice in almost every other frame. Tenjo Tenge seems like to have it on the side, like "Here's the major points... Oh! And heres some fanservice for ya." and that's why I like it.

And I like its simple story, if every anime was as deep as Evangelion or Perfect Blue, even Naruto, I'd stop watching anime all together. Nothing wrong with variety, and nothing wrong with a good ole' fashion bullrun story, like Tenjo Tenge.

The way I found the manga/anime was through a friend of mine, he's like "Man you gotta check this shit out, the way d00d draws is too bomb." And I was hooked, I love the way he draws, I love the fighting scenes, and I love the character designs, so that's why I keep watching/reading it.

Btw, its about damn time there was an actual black guy as one of the main characters, and not some dark colored asian, with a bad afro.

[Lost World]

Originally Posted by JubeiYamazaki

Btw, its about damn time there was an actual black guy as one of the main characters, and not some dark colored asian, with a bad afro.

Hell Yeah.

[masteranime]

I just saw the first episode and I really like it ^_^ since I am really addicted to the manga and they did't change a lot of thing in the Anime I just hope it's not gonna be like Ikkitousen. I really like the opening, it's quite orginal. What do you guys think?

[SwiftStar]

I havent seen it yet but I have heard tons about it and I am excited about seeing it. Isnt it licensed though?

[Mr.Minou]

well it's licensed...

[masteranime]

oh I did't know that which company licend it?

[Mr.Minou]

geneon USA. But I think that since both threads were merged together, we're a bit off topic now ^^;

[kujoe]

Originally Posted by emessen

tell that to the people in this thread who are trying to sell the story as something deep
and profound... that has good character development and actual plot

Not to further fan the flames, but I think you somewhat misunderstood me here. My apologies--I should've been clearer from the start. I should've underlined 'coherent' and 'clear' rather than the word, 'demand'.

What I meant was that the story of TT doesn't have a clear and coherent storyline that's structured in the conventional way. The plot is practically comprised of interconnecting layers of sidestories that make up what TT is all about. That's why I said, "it just is." In fact, some readers were confused with regard to who the main character really is. Some characters are arguably at least as prominent as the protagonist. It may not also go anywhere really significant in the end. For all we know, it could probably just end in having won the last battle and that's it, but no way is the plot totally worthless.

I guess you can compare this to, let's say the movie Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon--wherein you have interrelated stories placed along with another to form the basic plot. In this movie, you have a love story, a story of revenge, some drama, martial art philosophy and action--all the while the movie seeks to attain an adventurous vibe by having a broad range in setting. (the city, mountains, desert, etc.) Can you then tell me where the climax of the story is? From where does it really begin and where does it really end in relation to the main conflict? More importantly, can you trace the rising action and the falling action of the plot? And what is the main conflict of the movie anyway?

I think it's almost the same for Tenjo Tenge. I'm not saying both are absolutely comparable to one another. TT isn't even remotely as 'deep' as this movie. It's from a manga and I'm also aware that this is being made purely for entertainment--fanservice and all. (In fact, it's on a 'lower level' compared to a movie which has won a few awards.) But I feel the stories of both share a certain manner of showing the way things are. There is a story, and it does have a plot that actually goes somewhere. The story and character development may be messy and badly written for some, but saying that there's no sense in the story at all is just too much. They're there, but not everybody will like the way they're presented. With regard to stereotypes on the other hand...hmmm. I don't think there are that many so far.

On another note, I think I'm also stretching the comparison a bit too far. Heh, I don't think I'm making much sense anymore. This is just my opinion on this matter.

Originally Posted by masteranime

I really like the opening, it's quite orginal. What do you guys think?

I liked it too. Especially the part where Bob dances and where Nagi rushes to the group of thugs who were portrayed like bowling pins. Oh, and the very first part as well. It's like trying to be self-referential by showing, that this is an anime adaptation of the manga.