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Guardian Enzo · 2014-02-05, 21:25

I think the signs were kind of there. I mean, he knew pretty early that Killua was a mass murderer and he wasn't freaked out by it.

Dengar · 2014-02-06, 02:14

I like to see murder and assassination as separate things, but I guess what you're trying to say still holds.

Goty · 2014-02-06, 03:29

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I really like this dark side of Gon. It is a change from the usual always happy and innocent MC from other shounen series.

I can't remember a shonen mc who was always happy and innocent. And Gon can be happy and innocent. In that sense he's actually not different from other shonen mains, who always show a different side of them when they're pissed off too.
What's different in Gon is that he has a very peculiar sense of judgement. He's not always interested in "justice", but he certainly is if it's for himself.

And while it's true that he wasn't freaked out by Killua being a hitman, we can't forget Gon went to help Killua after he saw him snapping and killing a person, and that's the reason Killua's been changing into a better person. That's also probably why Killua is worried about Gon now, he's been there.

derps · 2014-02-07, 18:58

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Originally Posted by Goty

I can't remember a shonen mc who was always happy and innocent. And Gon can be happy and innocent. In that sense he's actually not different from other shonen mains, who always show a different side of them when they're pissed off too.
What's different in Gon is that he has a very peculiar sense of judgement. He's not always interested in "justice", but he certainly is if it's for himself.

And while it's true that he wasn't freaked out by Killua being a hitman, we can't forget Gon went to help Killua after he saw him snapping and killing a person, and that's the reason Killua's been changing into a better person. That's also probably why Killua is worried about Gon now, he's been there.

In this case it's in-character and looks like actual, progressive development from start up till now.

As far as other shonen MCs go, it's just a phase they go through triggered by an event like a Nakama being hurt or insulted or the like.

Goty · 2014-02-09, 10:10

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As far as other shonen MCs go, it's just a phase they go through triggered by an event like a Nakama being hurt or insulted or the like.

Likewise, Gon's current behavior was triggered by what happened/is happening to Kite. I don't think there was any actual build up to his condition before those events. He was always unbreakable, only two things that got to him were Hisoka's beatdown (unrelated) and now this.

Reckoner · 2014-02-09, 20:30

^

You must not remember the Heaven's Arena arc when Gon got really angry after Zushi's safety was threatened.

He also broke Illumi's hand when he found out what happened to Killua after he passed out in the hunter exam.

He also grew extremely angry at the spiders when he found out that they cared for their own but not the lives of innocent people they murdered.

Gon has always had this scary side, a pure sense of justice that is unique to him. It's come out multiple times in the series.

Plus the kid has always had a screw loose, the fight with the bomber was just pure insanity on his part.

Goty · 2014-02-10, 09:03

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You must not remember the Heaven's Arena arc when Gon got really angry after Zushi's safety was threatened.

He also broke Illumi's hand when he found out what happened to Killua after he passed out in the hunter exam.

He also grew extremely angry at the spiders when he found out that they cared for their own but not the lives of innocent people they murdered.

I said the things that 'got to him" in the long run. Those were typical mc reactions to things that pissed him off.

It's different from Hisoka's payback - which he didn't get over until he punched him - or his current behavior. Things that need to be solved for him to get over it, like avenging Kite.
Before the whole Kite incident, Gon was perfectly fine while they were travelling together. Even the Bomber fight was typical shonen mc craving for a fight, even if it's seemingly unwinnable.

MCAL · 2014-02-11, 14:38

I only have one word for that and that word is FANTASTIC!!!

ookamigirl · 2014-02-11, 16:00

#116

Spoiler for plot:

SHINOBI-03 · 2014-02-11, 16:18

Well, better not make you wait any longer...

-EPISODE 115-

Spoiler for part 1:

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Spoiler for part 2:

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-EPISODE 116-

Spoiler for part 1:

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Spoiler for part 2:

Spoiler for So the enemy asks for mercy... Gon's answer?:

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Ho-ly... sh!t!! The suspense in this episode was perfect! It had the same dread I felt when I first read this part. And Gon, my God Ms. Megumi Han sure has outdone herself with all the mood switches between the screaming and the calmness (I hope she got enough water to clear her throat afterwards because that was one heck of screaming she did!!) The tone and majority of the visuals were reserved here and were kept true to the manga as best as possible. I haven't felt this since episode 91! And do you know how much I rated that one?

9.5/10

MCAL · 2014-02-11, 16:38

Just in case people feel that Gon was OOC here (And honestly they shouldn't), I'd like to share my thoughts. We already have enough evidence that Gon is one step next to insane, but to people thinking Gon telling Killua this didn't involve him was silly, well...

"Gon sees Kaito as someone very close to Ging who is someone Gon admires (Even if Ging is kind of an ass). This is why he is so pissed at Pitou for taking someone like that away from him. To me it makes perfect sense as is and why he's pissed off at Killua cause Killua isn't able to feel something like that even though he spent a lot of time with Kaito too."

kakakka · 2014-02-11, 17:07

Skipped the 5 minute intro, but loved every detail of the rest of the episode.

Haak · 2014-02-11, 17:14

That...

...was absolutely amazing...

DragonKei · 2014-02-11, 17:20

I also think people underestimate how important Kite was to Gon.
Gon never had a father growing up, only Mito and one day Kite comes along and teaches him about his real father and gives him advice on how to find him. There is this scene in the Manga where he scolds a young Gon for "not being taught of dangers by his father" and saves his life in the woods.

Later when he doesn't get to see Ging, Kite takes Gon and Killua and teaches them the first steps "outside" in the real world, mentors them on how to grow, teaches them real battles and how to get by on your own.
Kite was basically the closest thing to a father Gon ever had.

Then he is killed because he underestimated the enemy and tried to protect Gon.

Also Gon always goes to the extreme, he basically never compromises on anything. Remember when he tried to fight pitou on his own and Killua had to stop him? Or when he was being tortured by Hanzo in the exam and never gave up? To gon there is basically only good and evil. Either someone is good or evil, seemingly depending on Gons feelings for them. The scissor murderer in GI was "good" because he helped them train, the spiders were "evil" because they threatened his friends and killed innocents. That's why he was so annoyed with them "daring" to mourn their comerade.
Kite even said "what happens when you find an enemy who cares for his comerades?" That is basically what is happening here IMO.
Gon is facing the biggest evil he ever faced, who took his father figure from him and all of a sudden this evil cares for an innocent. Gon is having a MAJOR dissonance and breakdown here.

chaos_alfa · 2014-02-11, 17:23

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Thanks for always sharing your manga/anime comparison with us, it is very appreciated

Episode 116 was tense, I have never experience such a tense episode.

I hope Komugi isn't going to have any major lasting damage, because she wasn't healed completely. She still needs to be able to play Gungi with the King if he survives.

Gan_HOPE326 · 2014-02-11, 17:42

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I also think people underestimate how important Kite was to Gon.
Gon never had a father growing up, only Mito and one day Kite comes along and teaches him about his real father and gives him advice on how to find him. There is this scene in the Manga where he scolds a young Gon for "not being taught of dangers by his father" and saves his life in the woods.

Later when he doesn't get to see Ging, Kite takes Gon and Killua and teaches them the first steps "outside" in the real world, mentors them on how to grow, teaches them real battles and how to get by on your own.
Kite was basically the closest thing to a father Gon ever had.

Then he is killed because he underestimated the enemy and tried to protect Gon.

That. But remember that the anime didn't show the original meeting between Gon and Kaito in episode 1, so it's not the same for anime only viewers and manga readers. To the latter, Kite is literally the first character ever seen in HXH, along with Gon. This kinda drives home the point of why he's important.

Reckoner · 2014-02-11, 18:16

116:

Holy shit. That episode was just amazing. The sheer emotion conveyed in every shot, every piece of sound... The voice acting. The animation. That was an absolutely perfect episode. HxH once again, goes places it hasn't before.

HandofFate · 2014-02-11, 19:26

Gon being a jerk. Especially to Killua.
Even if Kite was very important to Gon, we seen signs before that Gon just cares about his own objectives like every other hunter out there. Just so happens enough of those things were on the side of 'orderly justice' for when he's fighting.

Now Pitou has to stand there while looking into Gon's rape eyes for one hour.

Pebamama · 2014-02-11, 19:36

#116
First time Gon looses his temper , epic

kitten320 · 2014-02-11, 19:44

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Originally Posted by DragonKei

I also think people underestimate how important Kite was to Gon.
Gon never had a father growing up, only Mito and one day Kite comes along and teaches him about his real father and gives him advice on how to find him. There is this scene in the Manga where he scolds a young Gon for "not being taught of dangers by his father" and saves his life in the woods.

Later when he doesn't get to see Ging, Kite takes Gon and Killua and teaches them the first steps "outside" in the real world, mentors them on how to grow, teaches them real battles and how to get by on your own.
Kite was basically the closest thing to a father Gon ever had.

Then he is killed because he underestimated the enemy and tried to protect Gon.

Also Gon always goes to the extreme, he basically never compromises on anything. Remember when he tried to fight pitou on his own and Killua had to stop him? Or when he was being tortured by Hanzo in the exam and never gave up? To gon there is basically only good and evil. Either someone is good or evil, seemingly depending on Gons feelings for them. The scissor murderer in GI was "good" because he helped them train, the spiders were "evil" because they threatened his friends and killed innocents. That's why he was so annoyed with them "daring" to mourn their comerade.
Kite even said "what happens when you find an enemy who cares for his comerades?" That is basically what is happening here IMO.
Gon is facing the biggest evil he ever faced, who took his father figure from him and all of a sudden this evil cares for an innocent. Gon is having a MAJOR dissonance and breakdown here.

Ironically that makes Gon no different from Phantom Spiders or any other villains in the series so far.

Phantom Troupe did not touch you until you got in their way or hurt their friends/family. Gon is exactly the same, as long as your actions go well with his believes/friends/family you are friends. The moment you get on his bad side he doesn't give a f@ck about anyone else.

What makes Gon "positive" is that his goals so far were on the "right" side. He is just one step away from becoming a villain himself. This whole situation with Pitou is a reverse of what happened between them in the past. Pitou became a victim/good guy while Gon is a villain.

While I fully understand Gon's rage, he is way too out of control and self centred. Especially for someone who is considered to be a happy/innocent child unlike Killua who is a killer and yet Killua is the one who is closer to a good side.

Episode wise, loved it to bits. The best one in a long run if not all time favourite one for HxH. Great animation, great emotions and etc.

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ookamigirl Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	#116 Spoiler for plot: It was strange seeing Komugi in that state. Pitou was actually doing something good for a change. Gon's anger was justified, but the timing was off. He was completely blinded by revenge. Unlike him Killua was seeing the bigger picture. It sure was a first, seeing Pitou so desperate & scared. It was also a first seeing Gon completely lose it. Awesome episode! __________________ My Blog --> ookami

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SHINOBI-03 Senior Member Join Date: May 2012	Well, better not make you wait any longer... -EPISODE 115- Spoiler for part 1: Manga: second third of 273, 276 (minus last page) Spoiler for Ikalgo's mission: Those are nicely made shots We see Brovada heading down the elevator in the anime. In the manga it was hinted at Welfin's scene later Also this scene gives us an insight of Ikalgo's ability and how it's not foolproof. He can control dead bodies, but it doesn't change the fact that they are still dead and they do decay like a real dead body if not reserved and that is one way of detecting it. --- Spoiler for part 2: Spoiler for Meleoron's mission: Egg on Your Face: Missile Man At the end of Welfin's scene he hears Youpi's cries in the manga. This part is not in the anime --- Spoiler for Next episode: Hell is coming! BOO! THEY SKIPPED WHAT I WAS WAITING FOR THE MOST!! Besides that, I felt this episode was good and gave more depth to Welfin's character. 8/10 ============================================= -EPISODE 116- Spoiler for part 1: Manga: Last two pages of 273, 274, 275 Spoiler for Welcome to hell!!: UNLEASH YOUR FURY!! The mother analogy This is what Gon sees And he doesn't like it! But something unexpected happens! -------- Spoiler for part 2: Spoiler for So the enemy asks for mercy... Gon's answer?: SCREW THAT!! Holy cr@p I didn't expect them to show Komugi's exposed intestines! I was pretty sure they wouldn't show it!! Gon didn't like what he hears as well... To quote Optimus Prime: "You, who are without mercy, now plead for it? I thought you were made of sterner stuff! " He sure doesn't take it well!! And Pitou breaks its arm (But... it's an ant... it shouldn't have a boney skeleton, should it? Oh hell with real life logic now...!) Do not question real life logic here, you hear me?! Not sure if Gon can handle any more of this...! I guess he reached his limit at this point! And now ladies and gentlemen what I think the scariest Gon moment I've ever read in this series! Just look at his face here! And Togashi's grotesque drawings makes it even scarier! That accompanied with what he's saying! And keep in mind this is a main character of a shonen series but unlike the norm, it's Gon who seems like the bad guy here and he's VERY thirsty for vengeance even if it's at the expense of an innocent life they were responsible of injuring here and he's ready to let her die of all he cares! He even says it! Let her die! He doesn't care as long as what he wants is his revenge for Kite! Our hero ladies and gentlemen! Now comes the calm... with bitter words to his friend. And man, was it too much to show Killua's utter sad reaction to what he was just told by his best friend? Look at it! It's totally heart breaking when you're one friend who you and him stuck together for so long in thick and thin, only to say "it has nothing to do with you." We do see that Killua did look like he was crying a bit so that's good enough. Yeah, now we're cool... for now... What everybody feels when he waits for a subbed anime episode...! And the countdown to death begins... ----------------- Ho-ly... sh!t!! The suspense in this episode was perfect! It had the same dread I felt when I first read this part. And Gon, my God Ms. Megumi Han sure has outdone herself with all the mood switches between the screaming and the calmness (I hope she got enough water to clear her throat afterwards because that was one heck of screaming she did!!) The tone and majority of the visuals were reserved here and were kept true to the manga as best as possible. I haven't felt this since episode 91! And do you know how much I rated that one? 9.5/10

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MCAL Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012	Just in case people feel that Gon was OOC here (And honestly they shouldn't), I'd like to share my thoughts. We already have enough evidence that Gon is one step next to insane, but to people thinking Gon telling Killua this didn't involve him was silly, well... "Gon sees Kaito as someone very close to Ging who is someone Gon admires (Even if Ging is kind of an ass). This is why he is so pissed at Pitou for taking someone like that away from him. To me it makes perfect sense as is and why he's pissed off at Killua cause Killua isn't able to feel something like that even though he spent a lot of time with Kaito too." Last edited by MCAL; 2014-02-11 at 16:54.

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HandofFate Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006	Gon being a jerk. Especially to Killua. Even if Kite was very important to Gon, we seen signs before that Gon just cares about his own objectives like every other hunter out there. Just so happens enough of those things were on the side of 'orderly justice' for when he's fighting. Now Pitou has to stand there while looking into Gon's rape eyes for one hour. __________________ ...

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Dengar Kamen Rider Muppeteer Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Unknown Age: 39	I like to see murder and assassination as separate things, but I guess what you're trying to say still holds.

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MCAL Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012	I only have one word for that and that word is FANTASTIC!!!

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kakakka Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008	Skipped the 5 minute intro, but loved every detail of the rest of the episode.

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DragonKei Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2014	I also think people underestimate how important Kite was to Gon. Gon never had a father growing up, only Mito and one day Kite comes along and teaches him about his real father and gives him advice on how to find him. There is this scene in the Manga where he scolds a young Gon for "not being taught of dangers by his father" and saves his life in the woods. Later when he doesn't get to see Ging, Kite takes Gon and Killua and teaches them the first steps "outside" in the real world, mentors them on how to grow, teaches them real battles and how to get by on your own. Kite was basically the closest thing to a father Gon ever had. Then he is killed because he underestimated the enemy and tried to protect Gon. Also Gon always goes to the extreme, he basically never compromises on anything. Remember when he tried to fight pitou on his own and Killua had to stop him? Or when he was being tortured by Hanzo in the exam and never gave up? To gon there is basically only good and evil. Either someone is good or evil, seemingly depending on Gons feelings for them. The scissor murderer in GI was "good" because he helped them train, the spiders were "evil" because they threatened his friends and killed innocents. That's why he was so annoyed with them "daring" to mourn their comerade. Kite even said "what happens when you find an enemy who cares for his comerades?" That is basically what is happening here IMO. Gon is facing the biggest evil he ever faced, who took his father figure from him and all of a sudden this evil cares for an innocent. Gon is having a MAJOR dissonance and breakdown here.

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Pebamama Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Age: 28	#116 First time Gon looses his temper , epic