2011-08-18, 03:12 | Link #3461 | |
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The only time we've seen cartridges fail in canon was with Teana, and even then it was only a dud that went *poof* not an overload. |
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2011-08-18, 03:54 | Link #3463 |
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Considering how the repeatedly show Starlight Breaker, have people be shocked that she's using Starlight Breaker and even have a booklet article stating how damaging using Starlight Breaker can be? Yes.
No, there's no specific quote saying "it's because of Starlight Breaker" but it's not hard to connect the dots. Sure, she's pushing herself in general, but it's the overuse of Starlight Breaker that was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. |
2011-08-18, 04:04 | Link #3464 |
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But why SLB of all things? I mean, it's powered by mana gathered from the surroundings instead of her own reserve, so it should strain her body less than her other heavy attacks.
I thought the problem was more on the Blaster System? It boosts way beyond the limits of the body, and it's usage had sometimes shown physical damage to both RH and Nanoha. I'm not closing other possibilities to what might have almost got her killed.
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2011-08-18, 04:15 | Link #3465 |
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Imagine the body as a barrel, Starlight Breaker gathers magic and fills that barrel. Once you go over the limit but keep pushing water into the barrel though though... eventually something is going to give.
One must remember that all spells are focused through the body, even if the magic powering them is coming from external sources. There are ways to overcome the limit (such as implanting a Relics or genetically altering ones body) but without them, using Starlight Breaker is dangerous. |
2011-08-18, 04:17 | Link #3466 |
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...and so were the Blaster System, to the point that during her Post-StrikerS duel with Signum Fate explicitly warned her against using it beyond Blaster 1. So the possibility remains.
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2011-08-18, 04:36 | Link #3469 |
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So maybe it's not Blaster Mode. Doesn't automatically make it SLB.
Right I'm quoting this from the English wiki. Yes, yes, it's inferior compared to the Japanese one but it's what I (and most of the other non-Japanese speakers) have. If you think it's incorrect, feel free to refute along with the source.
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2011-08-18, 04:42 | Link #3470 |
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集束砲 – Accumulatory Cannonfire
(StS DVD3) Spells which uses one’s own mana to accumulate released Mana in the surroundings, then reuses and re-releases it as a bombardment attack. These accumulatory skills are unique in that they allow reuse of Mana which has already been used. Furthermore, in addition to magic released by the user, Mana released by any opponents can also be collected and reused, allowing enormous output potential. For Bombardment Mages, these attacks can be said to be nigh-impossible ultimate attacks; however, in cases dealing with Mana levels greatly exceeding the user’s limits, the burden placed on the user’s body can be prodigious. This was what the booklet explanation of one of the terms used in the explanation the series itself showed to explain Nanoha's injuries. Now granted, is it possible that other factors added to the incident? Yes, but considering the emphasis placed on Starlight Breaker, and the fact that Teana pulled a similar stunt which led to the explanation of the incident in the first place, it is one of the main factors |
2011-08-18, 07:48 | Link #3472 | |
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PS. And if there was actual spell that Nanoha failed to cast that day it was most likely Flash Move...
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2011-08-18, 07:51 | Link #3473 |
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*Plows through the Nanoha Sound Stage Translation Thread*
I can't seem to find that particular paragraph anywhere (the only translation remotely related to it was this). Was it translated here? Maybe it's on a different thread? I assumed it was there because that's where the SSX booklet translations were put.
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2011-08-18, 10:26 | Link #3476 |
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The difference is very vaguely defined AFAIK. Basically, "magic-enhanced attack" is usually used in context of Belkan magic system, whereas "melee" is the type of spells the Mid-Childans use. I wouldn't say that the difference is just nominal, however. The only definite rule is that if the attack is carried out with an "energy blade" (魔力斬撃), it's always "melee". Also, "magic-enhanced attacks" are usually carried out with weapon-type Armed Devices, so my guess would be: "magic-enhanced attack" is any attack that would hurt like a bitch even without magic, while "melee" attack relies on magic to inflict any damage. That's my guess based on a quick analysis, however. ^^
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2011-08-18, 11:34 | Link #3477 | |
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I'll leave it with that, considering our debate this stuff is obviously too murky territory to truly call facts on. Last edited by Keroko; 2011-08-18 at 13:32. |
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2011-08-18, 17:04 | Link #3479 | |
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Now I'm thinking that Nanoha's addicted to Power and also gotten Tea addicted. Wasn't thinking at the time, Nanoha does seems to prefer power over her health. No wonders Fate worries about her. |
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