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[Shinji103]

How did I say they would ever “give her away”? How is a 6% SSR rate “giving her away”? I could roll my 10x10 on a Flash gacha 6% SSR rate and very likely still not get her. Where are you reading me expecting Cygames to “give her away”? The only “give away” system they have is where I spend 300 draws to spark for her. So how am I expecting that they “give her away”?

And you’re clearly not understanding what I was talking about, because it had nothing to do with any wait. Especially since I already stated long ago that I was saving my draws for sparking her this summer before we even knew there would be a roulette gacha, let alone that they would host the summer characters this month. Read and understand someone’s post before lashing, please. And I know you didn’t really read my above post because you didn’t acknowledge the whole second part of it and you’d know what I’m actually talking about.

[Klashikari]

There is another legit reason to split the swimsuit pool: probabilities.
Simply put, they had to split the SSR pool because having all the swimsuit girls would dilute the gacha rate for every single one of them. Of course, they could potentially make a selected few with a rate up, but that would obviously lead to complains about characters not having a bias compared to another one. This is also the very reason why the guys were in the gacha before this one, and they obviously wanted to keep the girls for the Grand/Flash as a way to promote Jeanne.

As for making a split rotation of a Grand/Flash (2 days with Jeanne, 2 days with Diantha), this would defeat the purpose of promoting Jeanne since that period would be too short for a popular character like her. As such, I'm not surprised they banked everything on her, then have Diantha as a second potential cash flow, assuming people didn't pick her with the anniversary ticket (and I'm pretty certain they picked Diantha for not being in the Grand/Flash exactly because a lot of people ticketed her anyway).

They could have made 2 Grand/Flash of 3-4 days back to back, but that wouldn't be great in term of business, especially that would be 6-8 days of free 10~100 pulls under the 6% rate.

Finally, remember the diluted % issue? Well, Jeanne and the other rate up girls had 0.175% chance to drop, whereas Diantha, Korwa and Narumea have... 0.233%. So you effectively have HIGHER chance to get Diantha in her current gacha rate than Jeanne during hers. I daresay the current gacha rate for Diantha is probably the highest you could ever get, aside of the original rate up when she was introduced for the first time. The fact there are only 3 other rate up SSR with her makes that gacha roster "good" compared to the usual rates.
For your instance, if Diantha, Korwa and Narumea were included in Jeanne gacha, their respective gacha rate would have tanked to exactly 0.1% since rate up SSR lead to a 0.7% SSR rate while the rest make up for the 5.3%. That's even less than half of Diantha's current gacha rate.

I won't pretend they are generous whatsoever, nor they couldn't make a healthier business choice. That said, what's important is the individual gacha rate, not the SSR rate.
The general rule is as follow: Rate up % is fixed at 0.7% regardless of the type of gacha, and the SSR being chosen for that rate up equally split that 0.7% chance among themselves. This means that you absolutely want a gacha with the fewest characters/summons in the rate up pool to maximize your chance of obtaining what you want. 6% chance of getting an SSR doesn't mean anything for a specific character or summon if the rate up selection is bloated. You just screw your actual chances to get what you want for more extra SSR alongside.

That's why people who really want a character usually roll when they are introduced for the first time because they usually are alone for that rate, meaning you get the full 0.7% chance. Characters introduced with others, commonly during fes gacha, are harder to get thanks to gacha rate dilution.

tl;dr: If you really want a specific character, roll when they are alone or at most with 2 other targets. If you want more SSR, you gotta wait for a fes, and pray you somehow get that character or summon before the spark counter is full.

[AnimeFangirl]

Originally Posted by Shinji103

How did I say they would ever “give her away”? How is a 6% SSR rate “giving her away”? I could roll my 10x10 on a Flash gacha 6% SSR rate and very likely still not get her. Where are you reading me expecting Cygames to “give her away”? The only “give away” system they have is where I spend 300 draws to spark for her. So how am I expecting that they “give her away”?

A 3% -> 6% rate means players have twice as much chance of pulling her than they would normally. And that counts whether they spark for her or not. They're not gonna make it that easy to get her.

Not to mention unless you spark with mobacoins, you're not "spending" 300 draws because Cygames gets $0 from your spark. From a financial perspective, a free spark is definitely a giveaway. And that's not counting all the other SSRs you'll be getting during that spark, all lost potential income for them.

Regarding the second part of your post, I already told you (today, and at a previous time) that ALL summer characters usually appear in a legfest in summer. If anything their appearance in March is the aberration, not the norm. So this isn't your only chance to spark Diantha. Why are you getting so worked up about this anyway?

Originally Posted by Klashikari

That's why people who really want a character usually roll when they are introduced for the first time because they usually are alone for that rate, meaning you get the full 0.7% chance. Characters introduced with others, commonly during fes gacha, are harder to get thanks to gacha rate dilution.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that for rolls outside Fest, you have a lower chance of getting an SSR in the first place. However if you do get an SSR, you have a higher chance of that SSR being a rate-up character. Am I right so far? So if you only want a particular character, then rolling on their rate up is best. But if you're hoping to pick up other useful SSRs along the way then Fest is best. Correct? I'd like to clear this up once and for all.

[Klashikari]

Originally Posted by AnimeFangirl

A 3% -> 6% rate means players have twice as much chance of pulling her than they would normally.

That's incorrect.
As I demonstrated already, 3%-6% doesn't matter if you want a specific character. it only matters if you want more SSR.

Rate Up is fixed at 0.7% total, regardless if it is a normal gacha period or a festival period.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that for rolls outside Fest, you have a lower chance of getting an SSR in the first place. However if you do get an SSR, you have a higher chance of that SSR being a rate-up character. Am I right so far? So if you only want a particular character, then rolling on their rate up is best. But if you're hoping to pick up other useful SSRs along the way then Fest is best. Correct? I'd like to clear this up once and for all.

it is just as I said in my conclusion: rate up is the way to go if you want a very specific character or summon. SSR % has absolutely no impact for your actual chance to get them. Festival gachas basically increase your chances to get everything but what you really want.

It is very important not to think festival as "twice more chance to get what I want" but "twice more chance to get SSR" unless your wishlist is like half of the gacha pool.

[AnimeFangirl]

Umm. Now I'm confused. Usually the specific character you would want is an SSR. 100 pulls under 6% means an average of 6 SSRs. For 3% that's 3. So you might have a slightly lower chance of getting the 1 SSR you want, but a much higher chance of getting more SSRs which is a good thing, right? Especially since one of the 6 could be the one you want.

i.e. the loss of the one you want is offset by the gains in the other good stuff you get. So unless you absolutely must have the rate-up character you're better off taking your chances at a fest. Again, correct me if I'm wrong.

[Klashikari]

3 and 6% indeed means you get on average 3 or 6 SSR after 100 pulls for the respective SSR rate. But in both case, 0.7% of such rate is dedicate for the rate up. This means that on average, regardless of the gacha, if you pull 1000 times, you should get 7 times that weapon or summon.
It is basically a split pie: 0.7% of the SSR has to be one of the rate up characters or summons, while the rest (2.3 or 5.3%) are split among the remaining SSR that aren't part of the rate up. Think of it the other way around: suppose the non rate up SSR are useless to you, regardless of the gacha rate, you have equal chance to have what you want, while you just increased the "gold junk" you might have.
So in a nutshell, rate up is for what you want, festival is for whatever.

Since Shinji really wants Diantha, the best course of action for him is to actually roll that normal gacha period, because it is very unlikely Diantha will be back in a future gacha period with just 2 other characters. The thing is that higher SSR rate doesn't affect the actual Rate up %. it is the number of characters that dictate the rate alone.

Of course, if someone were to spark and is willing to spend 300 rolls, then you should wait for summer festival, because you will get that character no matter what so might as well increase your number of SSR alongside. Spark alone makes this issue trivial as long you are willing to spend your jewels/tickets or money for that.

[AnimeFangirl]

Ahhh, I finally get it. If you're just pulling normally then it's best to pull for your character rate-up with as few other rivals as possible. But if you're going to spark then it's best to wait for a fest and get the most bang for your (imaginary) buck. Gotcha!

[Shinji103]

Originally Posted by AnimeFangirl

A 3% -> 6% rate means players have twice as much chance of pulling her than they would normally. And that counts whether they spark for her or not. They're not gonna make it that easy to get her.

That’s hardly easy. I may have said the double draw rate was godly just the other day, but that’s for getting SSRs in general.

Not to mention unless you spark with mobacoins, you're not "spending" 300 draws because Cygames gets $0 from your spark. From a financial perspective, a free spark is definitely a giveaway. And that's not counting all the other SSRs you'll be getting during that spark, all lost potential income for them.

I never said actual paying was involved, but you don’t build up all those sparks for nothing. That’s a lot of gaming you have to do to build up all that. And the number of SSRs you get for it isn’t that many. I sparked for Orchid last time, which meant double SSR rate, and I really didn’t get as many as most would believe. For my 300 draws, I got maybe seven SSRs, plus my spark selection. But that number includes duplicates, and I saw none of the limited characters or their weapons except Orchid who I drew, and Drang who I sparked for. Probably should have sparked for Black Knight though.

Regarding the second part of your post, I already told you (today, and at a previous time) that ALL summer characters usually appear in a legfest in summer. If anything their appearance in March is the aberration, not the norm. So this isn't your only chance to spark Diantha. Why are you getting so worked up about this anyway?

I remember that, but at the same time we’re not really sure exactly what anybody will do at any later date. I just don’t like the possibility that I’ll have waited for a flash fest with Diantha later, only to find out they decided not to do it later.
As for me getting worked up over this, normally I don’t. But I had a bad day yesterday, and my tolerance was.........a good bit below average. Though I still don’t like how they made it look like they were giving another flash gacha today by making that gap before the end of the roulette gacha.

Originally Posted by Klashikari

They could have made 2 Grand/Flash of 3-4 days back to back, but that wouldn't be great in term of business, especially that would be 6-8 days of free 10~100 pulls under the 6% rate.

For this, that’s why they took away all the pulls between 30 and 100. (remember that last time we could get anything in between, but not anymore) And with the 100 draw rate at 1.25%, not that many people would be getting one beside the guaranteed 100 on the last day.

Finally, remember the diluted % issue? Well, Jeanne and the other rate up girls had 0.175% chance to drop, whereas Diantha, Korwa and Narumea have... 0.233%. So you effectively have HIGHER chance to get Diantha in her current gacha rate than Jeanne during hers. I daresay the current gacha rate for Diantha is probably the highest you could ever get, aside of the original rate up when she was introduced for the first time. The fact there are only 3 other rate up SSR with her makes that gacha roster "good" compared to the usual rates.
For your instance, if Diantha, Korwa and Narumea were included in Jeanne gacha, their respective gacha rate would have tanked to exactly 0.1% since rate up SSR lead to a 0.7% SSR rate while the rest make up for the 5.3%. That's even less than half of Diantha's current gacha rate.

But conversely, while getting Diantha over other SSRs may be more likely, the chance you get that chance to get her is halved. You first have to hit that 3% instead of 6% now.

If you want more SSR, you gotta wait for a fes, and pray you somehow get that character or summon before the spark counter is full.

And this is what I was hoping for. And last time I sparked (was aiming for Orchid), I actually got her way early in my draws. I decided to keep going to get other SSRs.

[Klashikari]

Originally Posted by Shinji103

For this, that’s why they took away all the pulls between 30 and 100. (remember that last time we could get anything in between, but not anymore) And with the 100 draw rate at 1.25%, not that many people would be getting one beside the guaranteed 100 on the last day.

Actually, it is the opposite: the old roulette was way too random to the point the average number of roll is quite lower than the current roulette: every single result past 30 were only 0.5% to happen. Even 30 was merely 6.5%.

Right now, it is 19.05 pulls on average per day, thus the current roulette yield 347.65 pulls on average (19.05 * 13 + 100).
The previous roulette had a much more skewed probability chart, leading to a 16.4 pull per day on average, thus 246 pulls on average (16.4 * 15).
If we take the respective average per day for a legfes period (4 days), that's 76.2 VS 65.6. As result, you are likely to get around 1 extra 10 pulls within the same period of time compared to the previous roulette.

The fact you call pull between 40 to 90 pulls inbetween doesn't really make up for the much larger % of pulls higher than 10. The previous roulette had only 40% chance of giving you more than 10 pulls per day. The current roulette is the complete opposite: you have 60% chance of having more than 10 pulls per day.

But conversely, while getting Diantha over other SSRs may be more likely, the chance you get that chance to get her is halved. You first have to hit that 3% instead of 6% now.

No, you are making the exact same mistake as animefan: the gacha doesn't work with a double roll at all. If you add every single SSR rate in a given gacha, you will get exactly 3 or 6% depending of the gacha period. The rate you see in the gacha details is exactly how it works: for any given pull, you have exactly 0.233% chance of pulling Diantha. Nothing more, nothing less. Right now, the 3% SSR rate is basically Diantha's 0.233%, Korwa's 0.233%, Narumea's 0.233% + every other SSR, forming the 3%. If her gacha was a Grand or Legend festa, it would have been the exact same 0.233% for all 3 girls, and the other SSR would have increased % instead. In other words, you have 0.7% of pulling one of the rate up characters, and either 2.3% or 5.3% chance of dropping any other SSR from the non rate up pool.
That's why I told you that if you had those 3 characters in Jeanne's pool, all of them would have a miserable 0.1% chance, because that would mean her gacha would have 7 rate up characters, severely diluting the chance of the one character you want.

The game doesn't decide if you have a SSR before determing which one. Instead, the game select what you get. It is a single RNG roll, and the advertised SSR rate is merely the sum rate of all SSR in the pool.
Let's take the current gacha pool:
There are 56 summons with an individual rate of 0.014% This means you have 0.784% of pulling a SSR summon.
Meanwhile, there are 100 SSR characters, 97 with a 0.015% individual rate, and the 3 rate up characters at 0.233%.
The grand total is: 0.784% + 1.455% + 0.699% = 2.938%, which is "coincidentally" close to the usual 3% chance of getting an SSR under normal circumstances. You might argue it isn't exactly 3%, but that's is technically not possible since they don't have a neat number of characters and summons that could split the 3% neatly without going past 4 digits behind the comma. That's why they specifically stated that the numbers displayed are rounded down and might not add up to 100% if you go as far as calculating everything.

As I said, rate up % is not affected by the gacha period at all. A rate up character will have the exact same rate regardless if it is a gacha period or fest period. It is simple 0.7% divided by the number of rate up characters. Grand/Legend Festa only increase the chances of having other SSR. That's why you will never see a rate up character going higher than 0.7% because that probability is fixed regardless of the type of gacha.

[Kurohane]

Cygames recently tweeted that Rei is going to be in the Detective Conan Collab. This is going to be interesting. More character reveals to come between now and when the event starts.

[Redoaxe]

Originally Posted by AnimeFangirl

Depending on what kind of FLB Ixaba gets, that could be a wonderful thing.

Maybe if it's like massive atk + med enmity I could use one in my magna pool, cause I don't have Agni or Shiva.

Originally Posted by Shinji103

I never said actual paying was involved, but you don’t build up all those sparks for nothing. That’s a lot of gaming you have to do to build up all that. And the number of SSRs you get for it isn’t that many. I sparked for Orchid last time, which meant double SSR rate, and I really didn’t get as many as most would believe. For my 300 draws, I got maybe seven SSRs, plus my spark selection. But that number includes duplicates, and I saw none of the limited characters or their weapons except Orchid who I drew, and Drang who I sparked for. Probably should have sparked for Black Knight though.

I got like 4 new SSR characters including the one I sparked in my 300 draws.

[dragon1412]

lol got 2x rolls today, got Diantha. It's bring tear to my eyes how in entire flash fes with SSR rate up and i only got 3 SSRs with around 70 rolls, and now i got Diantha on 1st 10 rolls without rate up

[Shinji103]

I want it to go on the record that I’m being completely honest with you guys and not hiding anything.

That being said, I probably will never live this down.

Scored a 30-roll today.

And on my last draw, Diantha.

I had a feeling yesterday would come back and bite me in the ass. -_-

At least now that’s one less SSR I want to spark for.

[dragon1412]

Originally Posted by Shinji103

I want it to go on the record that I’m being completely honest with you guys and not hiding anything.

That being said, I probably will never live this down.

Scored a 30-roll today.

And on my last draw, Diantha.

I had a feeling yesterday would come back and bite me in the ass. -_-

At least now that’s one less SSR I want to spark for.

oh brothers though i actually not that thrill, since i don't play water, I do have the supposed dream team with Summer Izmir, Altair and now diantha, still absolutely no clue which weapons to get for water team except the Magna knife

[AnimeFangirl]

I got 30 rolls and drew nothing. Not even an R character. I feel so left out...

Originally Posted by dragon1412

oh brothers though i actually not that thrill, since i don't play water, I do have the supposed dream team with Summer Izmir, Altair and now diantha, still absolutely no clue which weapons to get for water team except the Magna knife

Here: https://gbf.wiki/Basic_Grids

[Shinji103]

Here’s a trivial-ish question: what’s up with the crystal color when you make draws? Sometimes it’s the deep rainbow color when I draw an new SSR, it’s always the less-deep color when I get just SRs, but when I drew Diantha today it was just the lighter color. Sometimes it feels like it’s random what color the crystal is rather than indicatin what you got.

[Klashikari]

It is just a known bug for a SSR result that shows a SR crystal they didn't fix for years.
At least, it is never the other way around: a rainbow crystal always have at least 1 SSR result.

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by dragon1412

lol got 2x rolls today, got Diantha. It's bring tear to my eyes how in entire flash fes with SSR rate up and i only got 3 SSRs with around 70 rolls, and now i got Diantha on 1st 10 rolls without rate up

Same. Rouletted 20 rolls and got some weird lightsticks in the first 10 roll.

[AnimeFangirl]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

It is just a known bug for a SSR result that shows a SR crystal they didn't fix for years.
At least, it is never the other way around: a rainbow crystal always have at least 1 SSR result.

I am of the opinion that it's not a bug, it's deliberate. To give you some faint residue of hope even when you pull a yellow crystal. "There's still a chance... Could it be... could it be... yes!" Toying with our emotions that way must have some benefit for them.

[Kuroageha]

Yaia has some good synergy with Sarasa and Okto
https://imgur.com/a/lyLTw