2010-04-28, 15:09 | Link #9462 | |
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And where are you going with this?
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2010-04-28, 15:10 | Link #9463 | |
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However bodies are reduced to little shreds, it's unthinkable that whatever happened to Maria left her grimoire intact if they were together.
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2010-04-28, 15:12 | Link #9464 | |
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Or you could chalk it up to creepy crosses, since Kasumi isn't wearing anything resembling a cross on her outfit. Kyrie is mentioned having a sort of gothic fashion taste in the 07thexpansion's online profiles and in the profiles on the anime site, so that's probably why she has a cross on her tie. |
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2010-04-28, 15:16 | Link #9466 | |
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Due to your sin, a great many humans on this island die That's good enough for me and I think there are enough hints that Battler did something to cause it. There is also this one. Six years ago for me, no person called Beatrice existed.
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2010-04-28, 15:19 | Link #9467 | |
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So why wouldn't Maria, the only other person with a connection to crosses, NOT be connected to Kyrie and/or the Sumadera family in some way? This is my line of thinking, at any rate. |
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2010-04-28, 15:20 | Link #9468 | |
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2010-04-28, 15:23 | Link #9470 | |
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All of those have huge problems. Even the second, because then Ange should have realized Maria is alive. The first assumes someone actually cares enough about the contents of a 6 year old Ange's brain to twist it for the following twelve years, and all for what? Unfortunately Ange says nothing at all about which of the possible sets of 'Maria's belongings' she had access to after the incident and could clandestinely remove.
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2010-04-28, 15:26 | Link #9471 | |
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Sumadera family doesn't strike me as a family of Christian beliefs either. Especially since Kasumi implies that they torture people they do not like. It would make sense if Kasumi would be wearing a cross because she has obvious connections to the Sumadera family, while Kyrie's are pretty much cut off, but she isn't wearing one. Making the connection to the Sumadera's symbol being a cross is null if the future successor isn't even wearing the symbol on her outfit. |
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2010-04-28, 15:29 | Link #9472 | |
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It's simple though. Whatever it was caused a chain reactions of changes for the people on Rokken Isle. People started disguising as Beatrice people planned murder and for some reason we have a bomb confirmed. Whether the bomb is part of Kinzo's contract with Beatrice or Battler's promise is questionable. The point is many people die due to his sin, but at the same time that doesn't mean everyone dies because of his sin. A promise is almost guaranteed though.
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2010-04-28, 15:38 | Link #9474 | |
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One small red herring is something, but Ryukishi is literally THROWING hints about a promise being the sin. EP 6 when the mysterious narrator talks about making "Beatrice" it even mentions waiting for a promise to be fulfilled. |
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2010-04-28, 15:38 | Link #9475 | |
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The only event you have anyway is Battler leaving the family. Otherwise we have too little information to come up with an answer that is completely satisfying.
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2010-04-28, 15:40 | Link #9477 | ||
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2010-04-28, 15:46 | Link #9478 | |
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The sin can't be the only reason for the tragedy because of this. In EP 6 we know that the promise itself is why "Beatrice" is created and perhaps the broken sin is why the culprit ultimately abuses "Beatrice" into making her the culprit. |
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2010-04-28, 15:49 | Link #9479 | |
Back off, I'm a scientist
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Breaking the promise is not the sin. The very act of making the promise was the sin instead. Making this promise, otherwise purely innocent, is a sin against a third party and damages the said third party just by it being known that the promise exists! Ultimately breaking it anyway it is not 'the sin' itself, but damages Beatrice in turn! This way the promise is between Battler and whoever becomes the Suit-Beatrice, but the sin is still against someone else!
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2010-04-28, 15:56 | Link #9480 | |
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I know it means alot to her, but then that's the question: who the hell is she? I'm not trying to say what it is, I'm just saying that it doesn't have to be a promise, just a starter or a catalyst for what happens presently. |
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