(L) UQ Holder (Ken Akamatsu's new series)

[Tenzen12]

Will that chapter be interesting even for someone who doesn't have boner for Negi?

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by Hiss13

That makes sense. I was just so happy to see them. Completely overshadows berserk Touta leaving my inner Negima fan screaming for joy.

Still, I have to wonder what made Nagumo call Negi the most evil immortal. I have my doubts that it's simply because he is immortal. That and the fact that they were chasing after the Mage of the Beginning 50 years after the end of Negima means that things were far from over at the end of Negima. I sense Negima-relevant back story.
Just what I've been waiting for. Now to anticipate.

Oh yeah...prediction--the final boss will be the MotB. Just felt like putting it out there.

To them it just seems like the more immortal one is the eviler they were. Negi would be considered the most evil for completing the dark magic Magia Erebea.

I do have to wonder though. Negi was still pretty young looking in the flashback. So how exactly did he die?

Perhaps Negi isn't actually dead but faked his death. Or possibly maybe like his father he was possessed by the Mage of the Beginning since that guy still seems to be around. Someone as powerful as Negi though would be the perfect possessor for the Mage of the Beginning. Maybe he was possessed and the Mage of the Beginning attempted to kill off Negi's lineage since it was their power that always stopped him and that was what happened to Touta and his parents. So Eva took Touta in and started to train him figuring that only he could put a stop to the possessed Negi since his ability to copy others let him grasp hold of Magia Erebea as well.

[Hiss13]

I just noticed this but Nagumo referred to both Negi AND the Mage of the Beginning as the "most evil immortal."...because fuck superlatives.

Originally Posted by cyberdemon

To them it just seems like the more immortal one is the eviler they were. Negi would be considered the most evil for completing the dark magic Magia Erebea.

I do have to wonder though. Negi was still pretty young looking in the flashback. So how exactly did he die?

Perhaps Negi isn't actually dead but faked his death. Or possibly maybe like his father he was possessed by the Mage of the Beginning since that guy still seems to be around. Someone as powerful as Negi though would be the perfect possessor for the Mage of the Beginning. Maybe he was possessed and the Mage of the Beginning attempted to kill off Negi's lineage since it was their power that always stopped him and that was what happened to Touta and his parents. So Eva took Touta in and started to train him figuring that only he could put a stop to the possessed Negi since his ability to copy others let him grasp hold of Magia Erebea as well.

Meh...racist against immortals...

Negi faking his death seems kinda likely at this point.

I like your prediction. It just seems too specific and too easy to predict.

[chaosprophet]

Originally Posted by Hiss13

I just noticed this but Nagumo referred to both Negi AND the Mage of the Beginning as the "most evil immortal."...because fuck superlatives.

The term is different. MotB was refereed as 最凶 (most wicked?), while Negi was 最悪 (most evil, worst).

[Hiss13]

Originally Posted by chaosprophet

The term is different. MotB was refereed as 最凶 (most wicked?), while Negi was 最悪 (most evil, worst).

So that was just a translation issue, then...

[Robotech Master]

Does this firmly plant us in the timeline of Asuna asleep before she was sent back and changed things?

Because IIRC the ending of Negima where she got sent back had the MOTB issue resolved offscreen while Yue was in her 20's right? Way before 2065. Also, Asuna is noticeably absent from the fight, and she is long lived and you know she'd be there, so that makes me think this is a timeline where she's still asleep and Negi's gone without her all this time.

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by Robotech Master

Does this firmly plant us in the timeline of Asuna asleep before she was sent back and changed things?

Because IIRC the ending of Negima where she got sent back had the MOTB issue resolved offscreen while Yue was in her 20's right? Way before 2065. Also, Asuna is noticeably absent from the fight, and she is long lived and you know she'd be there, so that makes me think this is a timeline where she's still asleep and Negi's gone without her all this time.

no it doesn't. Negima only ended by showing that Nagi was freed from the MotB. There was nothing on them actually beating him.

[chaosprophet]

Originally Posted by cyberdemon

no it doesn't. Negima only ended by showing that Nagi was freed from the MotB. There was nothing on them actually beating him.

Actually it does says they defeated the MotB. Reread last chapter, it's when Albiero tells Nagi he should should be thankful for Negi and his students for being able to defeat the Lifemaker and even save him.

@Robotech Master
Asuna not aging for a long time seems to be because she was being sealed constantly. Asuna lifespan is possibly just like any human.

Anyway things seems to point for Asuna not around timeline, but wouldn't say it's 100% certain yet.

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by Robotech Master

Does this firmly plant us in the timeline of Asuna asleep before she was sent back and changed things?

Because IIRC the ending of Negima where she got sent back had the MOTB issue resolved offscreen while Yue was in her 20's right? Way before 2065. Also, Asuna is noticeably absent from the fight, and she is long lived and you know she'd be there, so that makes me think this is a timeline where she's still asleep and Negi's gone without her all this time.

I would say it's likely. Negi's gravestone from that timeline stated he died in 2065, so I'm guessing either they defeated MoB at the time of Nagumo's flashback, with Negi dying, or MoB took over Negi at that time and will end up being the Big Bad of UQ Holder.

[SoloPanda]

I really liked this chapter. The bits and pieces of backstory and hints are kind of coming together and Touta's berserk state was pretty good. I'm not quite sure how they will resolve it, if he will just snap out of it or if someone will stop him but It will probably end up being something he will need to overcome.

and

yay NEGI!!!

ok got that out of my system...

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by chaosprophet

Actually it does says they defeated the MotB. Reread last chapter, it's when Albiero tells Nagi he should should be thankful for Negi and his students for being able to defeat the Lifemaker and even save him.

@Robotech Master
Asuna not aging for a long time seems to be because she was being sealed constantly. Asuna lifespan is possibly just like any human.

Anyway things seems to point for Asuna not around timeline, but wouldn't say it's 100% certain yet.

Yeah... just Nagi beat him... oh wait lol

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

I would say it's likely. Negi's gravestone from that timeline stated he died in 2065, so I'm guessing either they defeated MoB at the time of Nagumo's flashback, with Negi dying, or MoB took over Negi at that time and will end up being the Big Bad of UQ Holder.

I think there is a good chance that Negi has been possessed by the MotB. It's too convenient that his year of death was also in this chapter confirmed to be a year that he fought the lifemaker again. The lifemaker loses but possesses Negi like it possessed Nagi in the past. Though this gives it not only an immortal soul but a truely immortal body as well. Talk about a dangerous combo.

[stardrago]

You know, perhaps there is a chance that this story does takes place during the timeline of when before Asuna was sent back in time

Spoiler for Hints:

Back in the first chapter of UQ Holder were we see Evangeline walking away, the top section showed her with her classmates including Asuna, while the next one showed her waving goodbye to them when they are older but Asuna was not with them, also you could also see Natsumi holding her stomach.

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by stardrago

You know, perhaps there is a chance that this story does takes place during the timeline of when before Asuna was sent back in time

Spoiler for Hints:

Back in the first chapter of UQ Holder were we see Evangeline walking away, the top section showed her with her classmates including Asuna, while the next one showed her waving goodbye to them when they are older but Asuna was not with them, also you could also see Natsumi holding her stomach.

Negi isn't exactly in the second picture either despite the fact that he too is said to have died. Neither is Chachamaru. Negi, Chachamaru, and Asuna are all being that could live longer than the rest of the class. Ones that Eva wasn't likely going to part with as easily as the others. Those in the second picture were mostly the main group and all were mortals. None of the demons, immortals, robots, etc were in that picture. We don't know how it works for Asuna. Her powers were sealed for a while which explains her growth but she seemed to travel with Nagi's group for a while without againing before being sealed.

Never noticed the Natsumi thing before. She does appear to be pregnant. Wonder if we are going to get some Kotaro descendants in as well.

[CNine]

Originally Posted by stardrago

You know, perhaps there is a chance that this story does takes place during the timeline of when before Asuna was sent back in time

Spoiler for Hints:

Back in the first chapter of UQ Holder were we see Evangeline walking away, the top section showed her with her classmates including Asuna, while the next one showed her waving goodbye to them when they are older but Asuna was not with them, also you could also see Natsumi holding her stomach.

well if you look at them there is few people that missing from previous page, and all of the missing one is the one who has unbelieveable longest live span[Negi, Chachamaru[she is cyborg], Zazie, Takamiya, Etc]. and in this case Negi didn't age abit[so he really is immortal] and maybe the one that buried in the tomb is Konoka. there is also Tertium in that page[ch 24]

[Tenzen12]

Well, I just hope this "side story" will have some significance for future development and isn't just continuity porn for sake of itself.

[ReddyRedWolf]

I've had a strong suspicion that Nagumo's client was Megasembria Senate but this belief that Negi is an evil mage when he saved his life stinks of Megasembria Confederation propaganda.

Negi's mother was made a scapegoat so the Confederation can land grab Ostia and turn its citizens to slaves.

Looks like they did the same thing to Negi. Nagumo is likely from the Confederation.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

Will that chapter be interesting even for someone who doesn't have boner for Negi?

It is a proven fact that everyone, regardless of race, age, gender, or sexual orientation will always have a boner for Negi. Law of magic, no way around it.

Jokes aside, it does provide some interesting back story, gives confirmation on Touta's power being Magia Erebia and not a knock-off, tells us about the Immortal Hunters, and sets up Touta's little "test".

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf

I've had a strong suspicion that Nagumo's client was Megasembria Senate but this belief that Negi is an evil mage when he saved his life stinks of Megasembria Confederation propaganda.

Negi's mother was made a scapegoat so the Confederation can land grab Ostia and turn its citizens to slaves.

Looks like they did the same thing to Negi. Nagumo is likely from the Confederation.

Maybe, maybe not. Too early to rule out there being a different party at play. We've already seen that the Shinmeiryuu aren't exactly going to be the good guys in the immediate future, and considering it was two dead Konoes that delivered Touta to Eva, there's a good possibility they were killed as a result of a Shinmeiryuu power struggle.

Originally Posted by XFire

It is a proven fact that everyone, regardless of race, age, gender, or sexual orientation will always have a boner for Negi. Law of magic, no way around it.

Jokes aside, it does provide some interesting back story, gives confirmation on Touta's power being Magia Erebia and not a knock-off, tells us about the Immortal Hunters, and sets up Touta's little "test".

If Nagumo's immediate and constant suggesting of Magia Erebea wasn't clue enough, the last panel last week, complete with ME sigils surrounding Touta, should have confirmed it.

[Gundamx]

Asuna was not with them + they are still fighting MoB
=
I guess this the time line where Negi die and Asuna was still sleeping

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by Gundamx

Asuna was not with them + they are still fighting MoB
=
I guess this the time line where Negi die and Asuna was still sleeping

That is the prevailing theory. The 2065 date is the kicker, since Negi's grave in 2135 stated he died in 2065.