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View Poll Results: Nanoha - StrikerS - Episode 01 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 49 | 28.82% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 40 | 23.53% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 45 | 26.47% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 21 | 12.35% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 7 | 4.12% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 3 | 1.76% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 2 | 1.18% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 2 | 1.18% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 0.59% | |
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2007-04-04, 08:45 | Link #301 | ||||
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Even if they're considered 'close quarter', even if they're using bullets... They STILL REQUIRE MAGIC to power their weapons. EDIT: Quote:
"Okay, you take the skinny one, and you guys get the fat one, the others go after the bald one and the rest of you follow me... Whoever's still standing afterward will meet up in the lobby to take down the big guy!" Shounen-style! Quote:
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2007-04-04, 09:06 | Link #302 | |
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EDIT: Minor manga spoilers or what we just call hints. Spoiler:
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2007-04-04, 09:08 | Link #303 |
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Then again, Subaru in the same ep actually managed to take down most of the drones with just kicks and punches. Even if she used magic to boost her attacks, judging from her performance her martial arts skills are quite considerable.
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2007-04-04, 09:29 | Link #304 |
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Yes, I know all about the AMF, and I believe 80% of the people here do as well. You say they did a 'mix magic + physical on their attacks', the magic boosted the physical attacks, right? So what would happen when they enter an AMF field? Would they lose the magical boost? What Nanoha did was to take a bunch of rocks and toss it at them. Different from what Subaru did. @LoweGear Remember, those were training drones, I doubt warmachines would be taken down just as easily...
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2007-04-04, 09:41 | Link #305 |
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Then would Subaru's Revolver Stake (Punch actually.) work inside AMF area of effect? Perhaps firing off magical cartiridges inside AMFs would still produce even just a small boost of needed power.
If I remember correctly, Signum and Vita had little difficulty in beating the AMF drones in the manga. |
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Assuming devices that run on magic could still work in an AMF, then maybe it could still retain it's power boost from cartiridges. But you'll still have the problem of getting really up close to do it point blank. Quote:
Come to think of it, what do you think are the abilities that each characters have to counter AMFs ?
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2007-04-04, 10:12 | Link #307 | |
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2007-04-04, 10:28 | Link #310 | |
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2007-04-04, 10:30 | Link #311 |
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From reading the manga, my take on the AMF is that it's a field that is a destructive interference effect designed to work against the specific type of energy a mage's Linker Core produces. That means that magical energy entering the field gets "broken down" when it interacts with the AMF. That's why Fate's Lightning Fall worked, because natural electricity is a different type of energy than LC energy.
edit: Think of it this way. A Mid-type mage's magical attack is, essentially, a ball of magical energy that the mage is shaping into a specific shape and pattern - for an analogy, think of a sine wave. By adding itself to that energy, an AMF makes it impossible to keep the "sine wave" constant in amplitude and frequency, thus making the energy of the ball disperse since it can't hold a shape anymore. Now, Subaru's devices use magical energy, but except for her Divine Buster, they use it INTERNALLY. The energy from her Linker Core goes from her body straight into the devices through her skin, and the cartridge system is inside the device. That means her devices' exterior shells and her Barrier Jacket should be designed to provide shielding against external energy (note how Subaru deflected the fire from the drones with Revolver Knuckle in episode 1), and an AMF is just that - a field of energy. So when she hits something, even if it's a magically boosted attack, the energy she's producing will only be outside of her shielding in the few millimeters between her fist and the target. The interference won't have time to interact with her magical energy in that brief moment very much, thus the power of her attack will only be reduced by a few percent before it hits. So I can see how the Trio would pick her if they are trying to invent a team that can fight in an AMF. Tia's device, on the other hand, obviously should have great problems working inside an AMF. But Tia is also strong in the areas that Subaru is weak - mid- and long-range combat - so she was probably chosen to support Subaru so Subaru can get into melee range. Remember, any opponent with half a brain won't just say, "I've got an AMF - there's no need for any other weapon! I am INVINCIBLE!!" (Well, in most other anime they ARE, but let's hope MLNS won't fall into that cliche.) In summary, I see Subaru doing most of the fighting inside an AMF, with Tia being her covering fire and support against anything the enemy has set up between Subaru and whatever has the AMF. (At least, until Subaru destroys everything that is generating AMFs, and then everyone can cut loose. The AMF generators should, of course, be at the top of the target priority list.) Last edited by Loner; 2007-04-04 at 10:48. |
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By contrast, the way they've depicted AMF is more like what happens if you try to listen to an AM radio while standing next to an electric pole. The radio ITSELF is working, but the radio waves can't get to it in any coherent form because the electromagnetic field being constantly generated by the power line is combining with the radio wave (which is, itself, and e-m wave) and the resulting wave that gets to the radio is an indecipherable mess. |
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2007-04-04, 10:58 | Link #313 |
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And in other news today, I officially suck at termiology for physics, and spelling too, for future reference.
(Moving on...) So we more or less get how (we think) the AMF works, but what has our band of heroes done to counter it? To answer my own question, only a few of them have spells that'll work against AMF. Nanoha - Basically she throws big rocks at them Fate - ANY of her lightning-base attacks Subaru - Probably just punch it really hard Elio - Same as Fate, lightning-base attacks Vita - Size-shifting Hammer Signum - Fire-base attacks as well as strong melee Ginga - Same as Subaru, punch really hard Chrono - Frost-base attacks
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2007-04-04, 11:03 | Link #314 | |
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The anime timeline is April 75, 4 years after the events of the airport incident. Meaning, it took Subaru about 3 years to reach her B-Ranking exam. Cheers.
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2007-04-04, 11:07 | Link #315 | |
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You're forgetting Caro - she can just summon a few of her creatures to do her bidding (if she can summon powerful enough creatures that is ^^;; ).
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If that is the case, then all they need to do is create some sort of device shielding to protect their devices (and themselves). Unfortunately, with Fate's solution being to form a magic-independent anti AMF force, it would seem that, as is the case with EMP, such kinds of shielding would be either incredibly bulky, or incredibly cost-prohibitive to be of any practical use.
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Fate won't have it that easy. Fate's attacks from the first two seasons aren't really lightning; they're her magic shaped into an lightning-like form, but it's still magical energy from her Linker Core. That's why, against those drones, she came up with Lightning Fall, which uses her magic indirectly to cause a real lightning storm in the natural weather around her. |
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...Until they create a AMF canceller! (That sounds familiar...) EDIT: Quote:
@Skane But if you apply anime logic, it IS possible that the sweet, innocent girl would always be the most powerful... ... Look at Hayate!! (Okay, maybe not the innocent part...)
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2007-04-04, 11:40 | Link #319 |
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There's one other possibility for Subaru I've yet to see considered:
After seeing her Broken Mag... Revolver Shoot a few times, it seems that it's not really a magic shot at all. It appears as though the magical ball she shoots is only a leader for the actual attack, which is the tornado that hits (a vaccum attack so to speak). In her second use, we never see the blue ball leader, only the tornado. In which case, she could fire Revolver Shoot at a AMF equipped enemy... and while the ball itself is dispersed, the tornado that follows would at least inflict damage to a drone. Although we've yet to see whether this would be Subaru's line of attack against AMF equipped drones, and even if it is, whether Revolver Shoot is powerful enough to actually be effective ^^;
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edit: Wait. That would only be the penultimate form of the attack. There's a much more frightening version: Spoiler:
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