[Anime-only] Naruto Shippuden Episode Discussion

[Ushio the Omega]

This episode was paced perfectly it just flowed so well unlike so many episodes that deal with canon flashbacks.

I really enjoyed this episode and I remember the original manga chapters as feeling like they dragged when i first read them.

manga to anime countdown 69 chapters behind.

Originally Posted by wingdarkness

Not that anyone cares since this thread is literally the lady in the fishnet stockings whose name escapes me as she lay "dead" next to Kabuto's chessboard, but I cheered a full fist-pump when during the Kabuto flashback intro it showed his eyes go RED...A callback to the chuunin exam ep when Kabuto was spying on Sasuke and Naruto and nearly lost his $hit during a battle and was seemingly about transform or something as his eyes began to glow red...

Kabuto has never been shown in the history of this program like that but for that ep and this one...

As horrible as Naruto has been for so many reasons in-terms of destroying fanbase respect based on fillers and pacing, it's stuff like this that in an abridged-way speaks to a creator that gets it...

I pray we get full disclosure on this which will perhaps explain why Oro couldn't use him as a vessel...Actually very interested in Kabuto's back story now...

At what point did they flash red?

[ookamigirl]

More about Kabuto...
As a kid he was quite different from the monster he has become.
Looks like the orphanage was the only thing he cared about.
Well... after that point his life was not rosy at all.
It was interesting to find out more about him.
The dark side seems more appealing when you're desperate enough..

[itachi-san314]

Originally Posted by Ushio the Omega

This episode was paced perfectly it just flowed so well unlike so many episodes that deal with canon flashbacks.

I really enjoyed this episode and I remember the original manga chapters as feeling like they dragged when i first read them.

yea this episode was awesome! i remember not caring much about this part in the manga, but the show is doing it much better. i've really enjoyed this arc with kabuto and itachi so far. plus anytime orochimaru is on screen the show gets instantly better haha

[wingdarkness]

Ugh, so no mention of Kabuto's bloodline or hidden ability or whatever...They can't leave that thread closed especially when they re-opened it last episode with his eyes turning red...Hopes for next episode that it somehow gets explained...Other than that fantastic episode...

[neshru]

When did his eyes turn red? I missed that.

[molitar]

Well the mother was not as smart as the foundation thought. They were too stupid to go directly to the Hokage and tell him the threat of money being cut off and they were going to take one of the children. All that happened probably would have been cut off at the source Donzo before it got too far.

Man, that Donzo was he ultimate evil. He caused the betrayal and destruction of the Uchiha Clan, he ordered mother to kill Kabuto, he evidently betrayed or was going to betray Orichimaru.

Kabuto, was experimented on himself so that is where he got his power from.. he used himself as a human guinea pig.

[itachi-san314]

Originally Posted by neshru

When did his eyes turn red? I missed that.

i think this wingdarkness person is just trolling since he never answers... buuut 2 episodes back there was a weird cartoony animation of kabuto where his eyes turned red for a moment (ep 335 when he talks about being a spy about 7-8 minutes in). however it was nothing like the forest of death scene and looked nothing like that redness either so wingdarkness is either reading way too much into it or is simply trolling in a weird way

[Ushio the Omega]

Are the Japanese retarded? because I can not think of any other reason that last weeks flashbacks have to be repeated again this week! other than that the average Japanese has the memory of a sieve.


Also poor Kabuto being so dumb as not to realise he's been under Itachi's genjutsu since episode 334, 19 minute mark

Blast from the past the water element move Kabuto uses at the 11.50 mark hasn't been uses since Kakashi used it to beat Zabuza the first time in the land of wave arc (though it looks more boring here).

And next week anime filler again because it's not like the anime is 70 chapters behind the manga after all

[Jerseykid]

Why didn't kabuto just summon madara to help him? Surely he doesn't care about whether the kage are being fought or not. Or any other reanimation left under his control

[ookamigirl]

Uchiha brothers really make a great team.
Their powers combined are just amazing.
Kabuto, on the other hand, is on a whole different level.
It was like watching the clash of the titans.
Not much talking, but a lot of fighting.
Just the way I like it ^^

[neshru]

Originally Posted by Ushio the Omega

And next week anime filler again because it's not like the anime is 70 chapters behind the manga after all

The anime has kept a steady pace of 2 manga chapters per episode for the last 6 episodes and will continue to do so in the next four episodes, so you can quit your bitching really.
I also find the your attitude of judging an episode before it's even aired just because it has additional scenes compared to the manga to be extremely stupid. There are tons of examples of the anime team improving on the episodes by adding scenes that were not in the manga. You won't know if they did a good or a bad job until you watch the episode.

[itachi-san314]

Originally Posted by Ushio the Omega

Are the Japanese retarded? because I can not think of any other reason that last weeks flashbacks have to be repeated again this week!

you're under izanami

[JustRob]

Originally Posted by molitar

Well the mother was not as smart as the foundation thought. They were too stupid to go directly to the Hokage and tell him the threat of money being cut off and they were going to take one of the children. All that happened probably would have been cut off at the source Donzo before it got too far.

Man, that Donzo was he ultimate evil. He caused the betrayal and destruction of the Uchiha Clan, he ordered mother to kill Kabuto, he evidently betrayed or was going to betray Orichimaru.

Kabuto, was experimented on himself so that is where he got his power from.. he used himself as a human guinea pig.

What -is- evil exactly? How do you define evil? Is someone who commits monstrous acts to protect his village truly evil? His methods may be wrong, but it's not like he did it all for himself.

[monir]

Originally Posted by JustRob

What -is- evil exactly? How do you define evil? Is someone who commits monstrous acts to protect his village truly evil? His methods may be wrong, but it's not like he did it all for himself.

Interesting take. What do you consider evil?

[JustRob]

Originally Posted by monir

Interesting take. What do you consider evil?

I've thought about it often, but it's difficult to truly pinpoint what would be evil. But if it were me, I guess I'd say that a person who does atrocious things, or inflicts pain upon others purely out of sheer enjoyment would be evil. I also kind of want to say that someone who moves only out of personal gain, and will commit the most horrible acts to achieve it, is evil.

And then most people say, "So you believe that not every murderer is evil?". No, I don't. People who murder because they like to see other people bleed are in my opinion, evil. But someone who murders another out of sheer desperation, revenge, or delicate reasons, I can't say that's evil. It's a crime, and it's wrong and it should be punished. But that's not what I believe evil means.

[Ero-Senn1n]

Originally Posted by JustRob

What -is- evil exactly? How do you define evil? Is someone who commits monstrous acts to protect his village truly evil? His methods may be wrong, but it's not like he did it all for himself.

Hitler did all that for his nation too

[JustRob]

Originally Posted by Ero-Senn1n

Hitler did all that for his nation too

And there's the WWII comparison. However, Hitler was a whole different piece of work compared to Danzo. Namely the fact that he also tried to exterminate the jewish people because in his opinion they were "inferior".

Hitler acted on a whole different scale. He thought Germany had been treated unfairly, even though they brought everything on themselves. And so he decided to invade countries that had done nothing to them, unprovoked.

And one more thing. Where Danzo acted as the unseen shadow, the roots, or the foundation of the village, Hitler pretty much proclaimed himself ruler of Germany. Danzo never sought glory, never intended to be noticed. He never wanted applause or spotlights. But considering Hitler's political position, much of what he did "for Germany" was also good for himself, which is ofcourse a very convenient coincedence.

TL;DR : Danzo is not evil, Hitler was.

[Hunter]

And so evil is a matter of scale and spotlight instead of deeds? There is much more to evil than your odd sadistic, sociopathic behavior.
Evil isn't a grand thing. Not sneering Emperors with world-conquering designs. Not cackling demons plotting in the darkness beyond the world. It is small men with their small acts and their small reasons.
It is selfishness and carelessness and waste. It is bad luck, incompetence and stupidity. It is violence divorced from conscience or consequence. It is high ideals, even, and low methods.

Danzo is probably without peer as the most vile character of the show. His ideal might even have been true once upon a time. Or so he told himself at least. But this was long gone by the time we knew him. He was but a distortion of everything the others Kage stands for. A self centered coward who told himself fairy tales about the greater good of the village when he fancied himself to be the "king" instead.
His thoughts were not about Konoha. They were about a Konoha led by him. There isn't a single of his action that hasn't harmed the village, from his dealing in Ame along with Hanzo to betray Sarutobi, to the abandon of Konoha to Pain in order to take down Tsunade and everything else in between. Danzo is the worst traitor Konoha has ever known since its inception.
Kidnapping and brain washing children, treason, murder, genocide, you name it. Any heinous act you can think of, he has done it. His rationalization of the greater good were nothing but his own greater self interest.
Danzo was a great villain who died a pathetic death after an unseemly life.

[Ero-Senn1n]

Originally Posted by JustRob

However, Hitler was a whole different piece of work compared to Danzo.

Not really, they are very much alike, it's only on the surface that they look very different. I could have named many other evil guys, i named this one because he's widely known. We are talking about men who seek power and fame at all costs, they want to become leaders of large organizations to satisfy their personal dreams and in order to do that they claim that only they can be the savior and that they do everything for the greater good of their people. They use whatever ideology is useful for them, it can be the good old religion, or nationalism, socialism, etc.

Originally Posted by JustRob

Hitler acted on a whole different scale.

That's one of the points where they are very much alike, because both have almost ruined their respective worlds. The scale of the Narutoverse is much smaller, in this "world war" the whole alliance army is about 80,000 people, the other side had no living humans. On that scale Danzou's actions brought disasters multiple times, just remember the last time he did someting it almost ruined the ninja alliance ( at the kage summit his betrayed his "allies", and he failed badly ).

Originally Posted by JustRob

And so he decided to invade countries that had done nothing to them, unprovoked.

Well i guess you remember the rain country, that's a small counry where Danzou had nothing to do but he sort of invaded it, more precisely he corrupted Hanzou and ultimately caused the creation of akatsuki.

Originally Posted by JustRob

Where Danzo acted as the unseen shadow, the roots, or the foundation of the village, Hitler pretty much proclaimed himself ruler of Germany.

He acted like that because he didn't have the chance to become hokage, but once he had the chance he immediately acted. Remember he was hokage when he died. We even see the flashback where Sarutobi is named hokage and he was enraged deep down that he couldn't become. We clearly see how he plots against Tsunade, he doesn't care if Pain kills the hokage and destroys the village, nothing mattered to him.
An example that is close to Danzou is Stalin, while Lenin was the leader he was acting in the shadows, he was preparing for to take the power.

Originally Posted by JustRob

Danzo never sought glory, never intended to be noticed.

You better read the flashbacks again. Of course his childhood dreams of glory were long gone by the time we see him as an old man, but that was because he didn't have any chance against Sarutobi, so his dreams have been twisted into what we saw. In his own organziation - the foundation or root anbu as they called it - he was the supreme leader, he suppressed the minds of his subordinates, of course he said that it's for the organization, but the organzation was all about Danzou.

[JustRob]

Originally Posted by Hunter

And so evil is a matter of scale and spotlight instead of deeds? There is much more to evil than your odd sadistic, sociopathic behavior.
Evil isn't a grand thing. Not sneering Emperors with world-conquering designs. Not cackling demons plotting in the darkness beyond the world. It is small men with their small acts and their small reasons.
It is selfishness and carelessness and waste. It is bad luck, incompetence and stupidity. It is violence divorced from conscience or consequence. It is high ideals, even, and low methods.

Danzo is probably without peer as the most vile character of the show. His ideal might even have been true once upon a time. Or so he told himself at least. But this was long gone by the time we knew him. He was but a distortion of everything the others Kage stands for. A self centered coward who told himself fairy tales about the greater good of the village when he fancied himself to be the "king" instead.
His thoughts were not about Konoha. They were about a Konoha led by him. There isn't a single of his action that hasn't harmed the village, from his dealing in Ame along with Hanzo to betray Sarutobi, to the abandon of Konoha to Pain in order to take down Tsunade and everything else in between. Danzo is the worst traitor Konoha has ever known since its inception.
Kidnapping and brain washing children, treason, murder, genocide, you name it. Any heinous act you can think of, he has done it. His rationalization of the greater good were nothing but his own greater self interest.
Danzo was a great villain who died a pathetic death after an unseemly life.

I can tell you and I are never gonna agree on this, as you seem set on this opinion.

And you're right, Danzo did want the seat of Hokage. But not just because he wanted power, like Orochimaru did. He firmly believed he could guide the world towards peace under his leadership. He always had the best interests of the village in mind.

You can call Danzo many things, but he's not a traitor. He never did anything to hurt the village. To be honest, he more or less saved the village by ordering the annihilation of the Uchiha. Because they would have gone through with the coup, and that would have been the end for Konoha right there. Despite the horrible pain Itachi and Sasuke had to go through, it's tiny when compared to the oceans of bloodshed that would have been the result of the Uchiha clan executing their coup.

He's definitely not a good guy. He definitely is an asshole who has not even a hint of a moral compass. But Danzo did not move out of greed or self-gain. He moved for the village, and he did what he thought was necessary to preserve it, no matter what the cost.