(L+CR) Overlord Season 2

[Lukes YGO & WS on YT]

Spoiler for Episode 7 Comments/Feedback:

Expenses keep coming up when you have no money, yeah that sounds about right lol, there will always be bills to pay.

Ah so that assassin group Blue Roses works for the princess, she wants to destroy eight finger because obviously they are a bad group, the dust is a real problem & they are having a very negative influence on the kingdom.

I don't think those 2 who visited Sebas & Solution will be alive for much longer.

I have no idea what's going on between Sebas & Solution but it's really interesting to watch everything that's going on in all parts.

[DemonneoPT]

This episode really felt like just 5 minutes. I hope Sebas finds a way to save Tsuare. The poor girl had enough. Ainz reaction in the end was indeed priceless with that character break and Solution was so angry she probably did not even notice it..lol
So Climb can't go further than gold ranking. That sucks. The blonde squad needs to teach him a few martial art tricks . It's so funny seeing so many blonde characters at once. I wonder if the Kingdom is based on Germany or the Northern European countries

[thundrakkon]

It was another really good set-up episode. Things were flying by quickly, and it kept me engrossed.

However, that ending... If my opinion of Solution wasn't that low in the previous episode, it has sunk quite a bit with that ending. Solution is playing the role of the fool, who believes she is doing the right thing, to only end up being the fool who betrayed the trust of others. She will eventually come to realize how foolish her actions are, I'm pretty sure, since in these types of stories, you either learn from your mistakes or die. Solution is not going to die, since she can probably take on a small army by herself.

There were a lot of political intrigue from this episode. It seems like the princess is the youngest, with 2 older brothers. The brothers, so far, appear to be quite foolish and selfish, with their concerns only with in-fighting between each other and the nobles. The princess says that she lacks backing and power. That makes me think that one day, she will join Nazarick faction to boost her powers.

The Blue Rose is the highest level adventure group. They don't appear to be aligned to evil side, so they are likely to continue on after this arc.

Since this arc so far seems to be focused so much on the activities of the 8 Fingers, I wonder if the Theocracy, shown at the beginning of episode 1, will make some sort of an impact in this arc. There was that crazy girl and the dragon, Tsa, who seem to be significant (which reminds me, the Theocracy was after the Catastrophe Dragon Lord when they ran into Shalltear, so I expect will eventually meet him).

Oh, and there was also mention of a powerful wizard from the Baharuth Empire, probably the most powerful wizard in that world (not-including anyone from Nazarick). I'm looking forward to the fight against him someday.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

It was another really good set-up episode. Things were flying by quickly, and it kept me engrossed.

However, that ending... If my opinion of Solution wasn't that low in the previous episode, it has sunk quite a bit with that ending. Solution is playing the role of the fool, who believes she is doing the right thing, to only end up being the fool who betrayed the trust of others.

What trust? What do you think she's doing and why?

Solution's a sadistic monster, no argument. But she's loyal to Nazarik, which is how every one of its denizen - including Sebas - would say it should be.

So what do you think she's doing and why?

[thundrakkon]

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Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

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She is going behind her current supervisor's, Sebas, back. In that regards, she is betraying his trust, and hence, will pay for its consequences. If you are saying that everyone is loyal, then Solution should have known better than to say Sebas betrayed them, since, of course, he is loyal.

Solution might believe she is doing the right thing, like I have mentioned before, from her perspective. It's just not necessarily the right thing. In essence, she has broken the chain of command in order to make herself feel like she is in the right by betraying her immediate supervisor because her alignment is evil and she can't believe anything good can come out of being involved with a lowly human.

[Meerkano]

You also have to consider the events last season. They actually had a floor guardian outright disrespect and tried to kill Ainz. What Solution did was suspect Sebas to in her alien/evil mindset to betray Nazarick by saving some low insect(girl). So its more of an over reaction on their part rather than outright stupidity.

[Faux Mecha]

so did they explained that the creations also inherited their creators respective personalities or behavior? in this case 'Touch Me' with Sebas.

[Wandering Soul]

I guess Solution was so focused on informing Ainz that she didn't notice how caught off guard he was about the possibility of Sebas betraying them. He usually tries to avoid coming off as anything less than the perfect overlord he appears to be in front of them.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

She is going behind her current supervisor's, Sebas, back. In that regards, she is betraying his trust, and hence, will pay for its consequences.

If you see your direct supervisor embezzle company funds and he orders you to keep mum, is it really "trust"? And is it really a betrayal when you go around him to warn his boss?

Also, since you brought it up, I invite you to think about "consequences". What are the likely consequences of warning Ainz of Sebas' actions?

If, indeed, what Sebas' doing is on the up and up, she wasted a bit of time and a Message scroll, but everyone learns a valuable lesson on communication in the workplace. And if not, that means she did exactly what she was supposed to do.

On the other hand, if she keeps quiet and Sebas is a traitor... well, I don't need to detail why that's bad, do I?

(BTW, I'm not sure, but Message, unlike Heal, may be low level enough to be written on human parchment.)

If you are saying that everyone is loyal, then Solution should have known better than to say Sebas betrayed them, since, of course, he is loyal.

"Everyone is loyal" isn't the same as "everyone knows everyone else is loyal". Especially in a world with mind control. One of Sebas' jobs is bait for those who used a World Item on Shalltear. Every other Guardian outside of Nazarick has a World Item. He doesn't. In fact, Solution may have explicit orders to contact Ainz if Sebas shows signs of having been turned.

Solution might believe she is doing the right thing, like I have mentioned before, from her perspective. It's just not necessarily the right thing. In essence, she has broken the chain of command in order to make herself feel like she is in the right by betraying her immediate supervisor because her alignment is evil and she can't believe anything good can come out of being involved with a lowly human.

It's not just a matter of alignment. It's that Sebas acts so shifty about the whole thing. It wouldn't be nearly as bad if he didn't care who in Nazarick knew what he'd done. But he's visibly conflicted, is evasive when she questions him, and as much as admitted to purposely not reporting the matter to Ainz. Of course she believes something's not right. And this isn't something she can deal with herself, so she kicks the problem upstairs.

[Blueknight78]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

If you see your direct supervisor embezzle company funds and he orders you to keep mum, is it really "trust"? And is it really a betrayal when you go around him to warn his boss?

Also, since you brought it up, I invite you to think about "consequences". What are the likely consequences of warning Ainz of Sebas' actions?

If, indeed, what Sebas' doing is on the up and up, she wasted a bit of time and a Message scroll, but everyone learns a valuable lesson on communication in the workplace. And if not, that means she did exactly what she was supposed to do.

On the other hand, if she keeps quiet and Sebas is a traitor... well, I don't need to detail why that's bad, do I?

(BTW, I'm not sure, but Message, unlike Heal, may be low level enough to be written on human parchment.)


"Everyone is loyal" isn't the same as "everyone knows everyone else is loyal". Especially in a world with mind control. One of Sebas' jobs is bait for those who used a World Item on Shalltear. Every other Guardian outside of Nazarick has a World Item. He doesn't. In fact, Solution may have explicit orders to contact Ainz if Sebas shows signs of having been turned.



It's not just a matter of alignment. It's that Sebas acts so shifty about the whole thing. It wouldn't be nearly as bad if he didn't care who in Nazarick knew what he'd done. But he's visibly conflicted, is evasive when she questions him, and as much as admitted to purposely not reporting the matter to Ainz. Of course she believes something's not right. And this isn't something she can deal with herself, so she kicks the problem upstairs.

but you are forgeting which was ainz(momo) himself which told to them behavious as they want and only bother him if they really think is necessary, she is "overestimating things it's pretty obvious if she explain right what he is doing to ainz if him don't act as "your cliche idiot" which will take it wrong and take it right he not gonna see anything or bad about sevas actions even for a villian, not all villians are cruel murderers without any soul some actually can "love or want a pet" or something like that even for a selfish desire to have a "slave" or something like that, she is obvious creating a problem where it not exist, because of her over the top sense of duty or jelly or both, but the point is so far sebas is really not doing anything really "wrong" which need ainz attention.

[Anh_Minh]

He never told them to "behave as they want" or to "not bother him". He told them to think for themselves about the intent behind his orders and whether there are better ways to implement them. If Sebas truly had an order he could convincingly say covers "saving Tsuare and giving money to the brothel guy", he'd have said so. And even then he'd have no reason to hide what he was doing from Ainz.

[Blueknight78]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

He never told them to "behave as they want" or to "not bother him". He told them to think for themselves about the intent behind his orders and whether there are better ways to implement them. If Sebas truly had an order he could convincingly say covers "saving Tsuare and giving money to the brothel guy", he'd have said so. And even then he'd have no reason to hide what he was doing from Ainz.

and that is what sebas is trying, he is trying to think by himself how to deal with the orgainization which is part of his current mission, the only difference is which he behaviour exactly like momo and decided to "help someone" out of pit/moral since he also not "evil as the others" and his personality is part "good" unlike the others and so far he is really not doing any real suspicious think which could really trigger momo to fear him or be a real betrayal the point is really solution is making herself as fool due to her own personality and making a "big storm in a cup of water".

[Anh_Minh]

"Dealing with the Eight Fingers" isn't his mission, except in the broad sense of intelligence gathering about the Kingdom. And that means he has to report about it. There is a big difference between "thinking for yourself" and "hiding your activities".

[Blueknight78]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

"Dealing with the Eight Fingers" isn't his mission, except in the broad sense of intelligence gathering about the Kingdom. And that means he has to report about it. There is a big difference between "thinking for yourself" and "hiding your activities".

yeah but asfar i read and if i'm not wrong he is reporting most of it, the only thing he is really hidding is about the girl if i'm not wrong what is is really a minor issue not something for her to be "bitching like that".

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Blueknight78

yeah but asfar i read and if i'm not wrong he is reporting most of it, the only thing he is really hidding is about the girl if i'm not wrong what is is really a minor issue not something for her to be "bitching like that".

Hiding the girl means hiding the Eight Fingers are hostile to him (or rather, his cover) and why. That's a pretty big thing to hide.

[thundrakkon]

I was going to stop continuing this subject, since it will get repetitive; however, there is a key point to be made. If Solution accurately provides her report without fudging information, Ains will react in the way we expect him to, which is to disregard Solution's concerns. The only way that Ains will overreact to this is if Solution decides to report things inaccurately for her own benefit.

[Randrak42]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

I was going to stop continuing this subject, since it will get repetitive; however, there is a key point to be made. If Solution accurately provides her report without fudging information, Ains will react in the way we expect him to, which is to disregard Solution's concerns. The only way that Ains will overreact to this is if Solution decides to report things inaccurately for her own benefit.

To be fair, after what happened to Shalltear, Ainz would not be in the wrong to overreact to this. Especially Ainz... the most paranoid and overzealous character in the series.
They still have not idea who or what took over her mind (all they know was that it was a World Item). So they do not know what the "enemy" can really do.

[ReddyRedWolf]

Originally Posted by Faux Mecha

so did they explained that the creations also inherited their creators respective personalities or behavior? in this case 'Touch Me' with Sebas.

More like they wrote the lore hence behavior of the NPCs. Last arc was Ains testing how far Cocutus would grow out of programming. How independent are they?

Touch-Me is a Justice chuuni hence he programmed Sebas the same values he has.

[FlareKnight]

At the same time if Solution's report is entirely factual there shouldn't be an issue. Ains should have a good understanding of what kind of character settings Sebas has. Now if she makes things up or exaggerates then it could be problematic. At the very least I just hope that Ains has a talk with Sebas without things getting blown up into an insane level.

There is reason to be sensitive about things since they did have a mind control incident. At the same time Sebas is basically the closest thing to a good person in that entire group so I'd really hope he doesn't suffer much from being a decent 'person'.

[Lukes YGO & WS on YT]

Spoiler for Episode 8 Comments/Feedback:

Yo virgin, that was a funny way to get someone's attention.

Ah so they have heard about Momon & Narberal, I wonder if they will interact at some point, Evileye is fighting against Entoma in the opening so they might.

I knew Climb would overcome that trial, he cares too much about the princess for him to fail that, it was quite the experience though.

Brain seems to have gotten his motivation back, those 3 made shorts work of those assassin's.

Will be interesting to see what happens next with those 3 together for a bit.